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Back foot is what they go by.

Kelly was clueless about one crucial thing: Listening to other people who know about football That, to me, is the main thing that makes O'Shea a great coach This could be a 1000 word essay - but I'll leave it at 0.02

Was anticipating this counter-argument:

I had to drive while the game was on and I had the immense pleasure of listening to the Riders broadcast of the game. A lot of screaming, a lot of yelling, a lot of complaining about penalties against the Riders. During the post game they suggested that of the riders lay an egg at home against BC next week, then there will be changes made during the bye week following, prior to the LDC. It was quite the fiasco and I had a lot of Bombers fan reveling to do as I drove ...

Thanks Debbie.

Back in the day, it was called the Elgard rule

Should have just stopped there. Doesn't matter who it was. His job is to come in if need be and execute the offense. He did that. What more do we want from a backup?

Any hit above the shoulder...basically head is a flagable play...the brunt of the DL plopping down on him was upside his head...and as they say (Suitor) u need to be in control of your body apparently...hence that BS call on us last yr when an olineman tossed Fatboi into a QB and we got flagged for it..I joking here about about Suitors lame comment...but it's a similar circumstance...that lug didn't need to drop his fat ass in a QB head..especially one prone on the ground flat on his stomach

re: Worst Coach... the difference between Craigy **** and Kelly is Dickie has a bit of humility. Kelly had zero. Kelly was more like Jones in that he believes he's the smartest guy in every room and nobody can tell him anything. As Dave said, Kelly wore too many hats (as Jones is now) and if he just stuck to one thing, it might not have been that bad. Same as Jones, where, if he was JUST a DC.... he might still have some value.

Yea. When I stated back foot that was right from Tom Higgins when he was head of officiating in CFL. He used to have a Q&A on CFL.ca. He said it's not the rule but for consistency that is how the officials call it. Too hard to call in real time by the rule without calling offside every play. It stuck with me because I thought it was weird the head of officiating would call something different than what the rules state. He did also say officials go to every teams TC and explain it, and other rules and how they will be called to the players.

Because the refs abs command centre have a history of getting things wrong.

Any game u watch you can prob see a good half dozen of those....as long as the reciever isn't totally across the line of scrimmage it won't be called

Ya love to see it.

Went to the CFL rule book to ensure this. In fact, the determination of offside and the line of scrimmage is altered depending on the player. For a passer, GCn20 is absolutely right, and a forward pass is legal if at least the back foot is on or behind the line. But for a snap, here is the rule: Article 3 – Offside At The Snap Team A players must be completely behind the line of scrimmage, except that the head, arms and hands of the Centre and Receivers may be in advance of the line of scrimmage. By the wording of that rule (FYI “Team A” is the team in possession of the ball in all rules situations), we were offside and got away with one. Unless the offensive player is allowed to re-establish themselves onside pre-snap if no player on the other side moves, just like a defensive player can. Hard to get in the ref’s head to figure out their judgment. One other thing I have been confused by in the past two games was why the refs sometimes blow a play dead if the defensive player jumps pre-snap and does not come in contact with the opposing lineman and tries to get back to an onside position, and other times let’s the play go. I always thought if no contact was made the play would run, and the defensive player could either re-establish themselves onside pre-snap, or the offence snaps while he’s offside and gets a “free” play. So, according to the rule, if the defensive player goes a yard or more past the line of scrimmage when encroaching the neutral zone, the play is blown dead regardless of whether or not contact is made. Also any contact and the play is blown dead immediately. So the refs can apply judgment to kill a play if they deem the offside to be beyond one yard from the line of scrimmage.

I got a question. Here's a freeze-frame from the Demski TD. How is our inside guy on the short side not offside? The ball hasn't moved yet. When I saw it live I was sure the TD was coming back. the Elk left-side DE was flagged on the play for offside, and yeah that guy moved early, but it looks like we got away with one ... unless I don't understand how offsides is called against waggling receivers.

Maybe Edmonton and Saskatchewan can switch coaches for next year. You know. To mix things up a bit.

Still seems very slow, borderline unusable for me today. But glad to hear you’re looking into it!

It's a multi faceted thing...he's in a familiar system that he's been in for 3 yrs...with all the same pieces he's played behind and thrown to this whole time as well ..so he's completely comfortable and accustomed to everyone and their tendancies Starting from scratch...how does that translate...my take is with growing pains and some sub par performance games. That being said it's perfect for our situation...and it was clear he learned from his mistakes from his first real start against BC last yr with almost all.the starters...he threw ball away this time when he needed to...and he was more composed and calm..and trusted in his players So he has made progress for sure...but he is also mainly unproven still but promising. Yeah was Elks...but also put up over 300 yards...4 TD throws...engineered a Prukop sneak score...and that was from coming from being down 22 zip...in less than ideal weather...so that's is impressive and he has down more against them than Harris did this yr...Kelly....even ZC in his first game....credit where credit is due

Upon further review, perhaps Dru Brown is overrated. He's not even the best Bomber in the last 20 years named D. Brown! 😝

I have season tix. Not knowing today how long Zach will be out for doesn't make a difference. For the betters out there we will know on Monday if he is placed on the one game or 6 game injured list.

What rubbed me the worst with MK was his us against the world approach and would lump us fans into the world not the us. I hated that.

Whaaaaaaaaa? Tell me more. Gather around the radio kids. Yup Elgard needed that advantage you know cuz his forty score was just under 30.

I've been trying to dig into it off and on today. Which has meant many restarts, which only fixes the problem temporarily.

For sure. The Waggle looks offside a lot of the time, but isn’t.

Yes. Mike Kelly was as bad...maybe worse. Worst HC of the last 10 years...hands down...that NFL guy with glasses Montreal had. Just awful. Didn't know the CFL game at all. Mike Sherman I think

I don't think you will hear TSN say Mosaic is jam packed again this year, well maybe they will when the Bomber visit their second home.

Damn! Look at Dee go! Love that kid.

It is a penalty. it is a joke it wasn’t called.

Thing is Brown has showed well in other regular season games too. It's not like this is his only body of work. I sat there freezing my ass off watching his absolutely abysmal first outing in Calgary and the guy has taken massive leaps since then. He shows as much potential as anyone in the league right now.

The Riders are just so far away. It starts with Dickenson/Jeffrey being inept at their jobs, and it trickles down. Combine it with the overall lack of talent, and you’ve got a perfect recipe for disaster.

I was thinking about this too. BLM essentially cost Hamilton a 2nd round pick, a 6th round pick and they moved down a couple spots in round 1. If I'm KW, that's the minimum I would take. I'd rather have Brown than Broken Bo at this point in their careers.

Funny story: My soon to be father in law lives in Winnipeg, he wants my fiancé and I to come out for the Banjo Bowl. He’s obviously a huge Bombers fan, and says if the Riders keep the loss to 20 points, dinner is on him! My fiancé isn’t a huge football fan, so she says she wants free dinner regardless. I’m hoping we can make it out, fiancé is in school, so it makes it tougher. But flying Calgary to Winnipeg might not be too tough.

You may have noticed that the site has been somewhat slow today. Trying to diagnose what is causing it, but probably won't be able to dig in deeply until later today. May notice some intermittent up and down time while I try to figure out what is causing it

Breaking: the Stamps just had a play without getting a flag.

Ya as usual I agree with you Gord. None of our business what Zach's injury situation is. Keeping that stuff in house is what the players love most about Osh and this regime. They'll announce the bare minimum on Monday just to satisfy the gambling end of it but it'll be very little in terms of info.

Dickie told the media after the game that Fine would be out 2 to 3 weeks with a hamstring pull. O'Shea on the other hand would never speculate on the length of an injury and when probed he just said Zach suffered an upper body injury. I'm OK with O'Shea's approach. Does Dickie really know Fine will only be out 2-3 weeks? And knowing how long Zach would be out for doesn't affect my day to day life.

Migs saying they will win 2 out of the next 3. Too delusional that guy. They will be lucky if they are within 2 tds in any of those games. Maybe...average 12-14 pts a game and their defence will do well if they can hold BC or us to 25 pts.

On the Demski play at the time of that snapshot the ball is also moving. You can see both tackles already in their kickstep too.

I owe you one. Please change my pick to another solid character guy. Dom Davis

Something needs to be done. It’s bad and it’s constant.

His nose whistled

And it’s been like this for years and years. League wants scoring and this little bit of latitude favours the offence. And it’s been like this for years and years. League wants scoring and this little bit of latitude favours the offence.

Difference between Crum and Brown is that Brown is a QB and Crum is a RB that occasionally throws. The prospect that can throw will have more success. The Crums and Fords will replace the Prukops in time. Both types have useful skills...the thrower will earn a lot more.

1. Dru Brown. Came into the game like he was Randy Marsh carrying around some wheelbarrow balls. IYKYK. 2. Brady O. On pace for 1,400 yards. Aside from the rough start he had in his first full year as a starter in the first half of that season, Brady has been beyond fantastic. He proves Walters and Co right every game when it comes to whether or not the team was right in moving on from Andrew Harris. 3. The team demeanor. Throughout all of the camera shots of the benches, one thing was very telling. Who was the veteran, disciplined team and who wasn't. Was 22-0 fun? Nope. But the bench wasn't panicking or having a temper tantrum. The Elks bench meanwhile was on cloud nine. As the game turned, our demeanor remained the same meanwhile you saw more and more clips of Elks players and coaches losing their cool and having their emotions get the best of them. Never too high, never too low. One of the main things I love about our coaches and players. Trust the process and more often than not, we'll be on the winning side. HH: BOO. Absolutely loved him finding a spot to get open towards the sideline on the Randy Marsh...ahem...Dru Brown scramble drill. Really stepped up after Woli went down.

Crum started that game. **** I don't even know how you got into a tailspin about Bomber legend when the comparison is Brown vs Streveler as passers. Brown's thrown for over 300 yards in both games he's played the majority. Came off the bench in game 1 last year when Collaros got pulled by concussion spotter and led drive for winning FG. Came off the bench last week for 80 yard TD drive. Guy has only produced.

Just watched the replay. I dont understand how, in a league where they are trying to eliminate head shots and QB injuries, that isn't a flag on Collaros.

1. Brown. 307 yards 4 TDs. 2. Brady 3. Rasheed HH to Lawler and his ridiculous catch And another to buck for the screen call to Brady to basically seal the deal

Castillo has already shown us that he can be clutch in the biggest game, Legghio showed us he couldn't. I could care less how good Legs #'s are in the regular season, he gone, we have Sergio and we're better off.