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Canadian Denny Fortney....and yeah...a lean 280 even...be easyto do with his body type and age....could prob increase his speed as well with more lean weight and some speed training as bizzare as it may seem...we have been giving up the second fewest points per game in the league...and thats with an injury riddled lineup...some early growing pains with ford....and some piss poor front 7 personell and usage.....we dial that in and get anything at all above average from the offence...the ship can be righted fairly easily on the fly this yr, and hopefully next yr is just some tweaks and a few free agent adds ...as opposed to wholesale overhaul from a bunch of dead wood.....gotta make some those transitions here now in the 2nd 3rd of the season to align nicely with the guys we will have back from injury

The designed qb runs should be based around making big plays not grinding out 5. The threat of him on a naked bootleg or option motion after handing off takes a guy out of the run stop and opens a lot up. When he throws on the roll defenders freeze up soo bad. If we ran offences like what we saw and see used with Fajardo and sprinkled in some qb runs it could turn our entire year around.

Sounds like Noeller is in on it! He can no longer be trusted...

Like seriously I watched the calgary game again... Johnson ****** him over 3 separate times on passes. 2 he over ran the zone, if he had say down easy completions and another the ball hit him in the face. But shitty passing and reading a D right? Our rookie receivers are not getting the job done.

Streveler is the least of our problems.

I keep going back to the first time I saw Strev play live in person in his first season. When Nichols was completely washed up and couldn't do anything outside of a 5 yard dunk pass. It was 100% clear Nichols was shot and the O was lethargic and was so easy to gameplan against. Strev comes in and plays as a QB who scrambled and occasionally ran for a first down. His weird throwing motion (almost like he was flicking a dart) was surprisingly effective since it released the ball quickly and what he did that Matt didn't was make quick decisions, tossed the ball to receivers who were 10+ yards down field and let them make a play. Guys like Darvin and Wolitarsky who were seeing nothing suddenly became part of the game which opened things up. The next season when LaPo was trying to me smart and would run ridiculous flea flicker qb cartwheel cannon ball end around dispy doo plays that would end up hurting Strev and completely neutered him as a QB. We need Strev to play as a QB, the battering ram QB shtick wont last. Last week when Strev rolled out and dumped it off to Brady it absolutely froze Ottawa and those plays are what I think we need to use Strevs legs for.

What is he missing? We've seen him pass in all sorts of situations, We've seen him make reads... yeah he hasn't had much time but seriously we're trashing him for his passing stats last week? You seen the way the OL and receivers are playing right now? Collaros looks much worse in the same situation, or can collaros not pass either?

316 for 481 for 4134 yards 32 TD passing..8 ints isnt a run heavy wildcat offense...not sure where you get that idea from....thats his senior yr stats...he also rolled up 720 yards on the ground as well...avareaged 13.1 yards per pass as well

One of Streveler's best highlights is his senior year @Sam Houston State #8 ranked team. Blitz coming, he stands in and throws a fade from the 45 yard line on target to Kody Case in stride right at the goal-line. Case didn't even have to adjust to the ball just right to his hands just past the coverage.

a qb wouldnt stick around down there as long as he did, and get as many looks as he did if he was flawed and deemed a guy who couldnt pass...His throwing style is funky...but so have been a lot of other QB's who did just fine. He came into the league as a guy passing the ball....but his extreme brute running got coaches here all googoo gaga over it and they pidgeon holed him

Malcom Thompson banged up now too. If Lucky still has his wheels, that defence can be had deep over the middle.

24 / 37 for 277 yards and 5 TD - 1 int playing with the Jets against vastly superior talent that is in the CFL isn't enough proof? Me thinks people have tunnel vision and are focusing on when LaPo had him running the gadget plays. The only thing this season that Strev needs to work on is his touch and placement on his short dump off passes.

I don't think you can accurately judge Streveler as the complete quarterback, UNTIL he has the full complement of receivers to work with, that this team when it's healthy can put forth....Lawler, Wheatfall and also Lucky in the lineup will certainly give him a lot of added options, besides the running ability he possesses and that's when you can properly assess him since his return

Sweeten the pot by adding Thomas.

I'm not yeah....kinda true...But Strev also got a win behind that same line....even worse recievers than what ZC has had....and that was his first start really in 4 yrs...Strev is equiped to win right now with poor oline play...and minimal weapons...with more starts...improving line play...some weapons back...whats to say he wont be even better...and still possess thatthing ZC doesnt have...and will never have...escabaility and serious threat on the ground? Thats my take as well...He is and was way more a better established passer before Lapo almost ruined him....and possess's a lot more in the intangibles...as well as better running than the Faj...Given time...reps...and yup an offence designed to NOT make him a pocket passer exclusively....he would be extremely good....we put time and effort...most of it wasted on sub par and pointless players under Osh...Maybe do it with one with serious upside and future ahead of him

One can only speculate as to a million things that may be causing this unexpected down turn in his career. Personal issues? Maybe. Personnel issues? Maybe. Conflict of personalities? Maybe. Could add another hundred to the list probably. I guess to sum it up....hard to say what is going on with him. I agree. Lawler made a mistake, owned it, did all the right things in the dressing room to make up for his selfish act of stupidity. Kelly has a long history of boneheaded moves like this, and a history of less than acceptable behavior towards women. He has learned nothing, and there is no indication that he is willing to do so.

Are we really sure about that?

I was rough on Ford after his first game and preseason, but he is rounding into a nice fit. We actually again have put together a pretty darn good secondary. I think once all the dust settles, we may actually have a pretty decent D-line, if we get some better play from our LB's we could have a really strong defence going into the second half of the season.

Because there is no reason. The only limit to how good strev is and will be here is how well we use him.

You're not providing reasons here...

It's not really up to him to go out and prove anything, it's the coaches who need to give him that opportunity. As far as I'm concerned, Buck needs to demonstrate that he can design and call plays that take advantage of what Streveler does well both as a passer and as an athlete. Strev just has to execute the game plan and be efficient with the ball. Is he the long term answer? I don't know that but do know we will never find out if he keeps getting shoehorned into a very specific role.

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And that = never develop? You realize how stupid that statement is right? It's not like streveler has shown to be poor at passing this season... considering the OL problems a d receiver problems he has done about as well as you can expect passing the ball... and yes I would say better than collaros.

Wake up, Fajardo has progressed from a 3rd down specialist to a decent QB, if Strev. spent the last 4 years playing instead of standing around waiting he might be more advanced than he is, but as it is he couldn't carry Cody's jock strap.

People have been telling me that Cody Fajardo is playing like one of the best qbs in the league.... well Chris Streveler had many times the passing pedigree and talent that fajardo does and you're saying he can't develop into one of the better qbs? **** off with that noise. Sure he's not going to be a calvillo or Ray who controls the game from the pocket but that doesn't mean he's some shitty qb.

The delay with Lucky was a passport issue. I don't think there is any "getting in Bucks ear" because they basically do things as a group. Zach is essentially a coach in this team. And if I remember right, they've talked about how all the QBs work together with Buck to come up with new plays and work on the playbook for each week. There's no real conspiracy afoot here.

Faaaaaaaaaack. He was getting up there but damn I love the Oaks. Bonsall was a talent and a half. They had so many hits and their Christmas album is a staple in my house.

Except not. People are brain washed by plops usage.

Unless Streveler and Oliveira can somehow continue to be successful running the ball 40+ times a game, the Bombers will never have consistent success with Streveler as the fulltime QB. When he is forced to throw consistently from the pocket he is a below average QB.

What recognizable QB skills does he actually possess and which established role model is he following? He's not a very good passer and has questionable accuracy, he doesn't seem to read defences all that well and the only way he beat a rudderless RB's team was by sacrificing himself and Brady on the alter of pain. It's unsustainable, how long would that last with diminishing returns from mounting wear week to week? I'd rank Strev. the equivalent of Crum, sometimes either can win games if the other team fails to respond appropriately.

You don't know that.

That play immediately comes to mind when I see him turtling in a collapsed pocket and wonder how he went from that to what we have now. I realize it's been close to 5 years (a long time at this stage of his career) but he has none of that ability anymore.

Hervey while politely declining (and trying to not to laugh):

yup....we have a guy who can grind out the shorter stuff...also with Strev...we have guys around him now who would make the jet sweep...or the fake of it...and the RPO that much more effective.... Oh I agree...definately will be some ups and downs and growth into the spot...but we have seen a lot of real bad QB play of late with ZC...and he is a one trick pony...so he is very limited in how he can manage a game with sub par support....Its gonna be an interesting dynamic...and if anything his leash should be ultra short...

I mean does he need to progress and grow? Sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of it. People are massively selling his ability as a passer short. He can make all the throws.

Why isn't he?

He may be done but I think one of the big problems with Zach is his mindset: he continually wants to throw deep passes and has neither the oline or WRs (due to injuries) this year to do that. You never want to fully take away his deep passes but he has to adapt to a more short/mid-range passing game in order to be successful. Not sure if he can change his ways.

Strev was so bad and regressed so badly that he stayed in the NFL and several times made it on the news for his amazing play and how his team mates loved him. Sounds like a bum!

I don't care if you're right, thou shalt not besmirch Khari Jones.

Yeah collaros doesn't have the escapability to deal with the crappy OL play. With Streveler being a threat to take off and run and actually get away it makes life easy on the rest of the offense.

Their fall was more gradual though. We broke them in the 2019 GC and then they weren't hot **** in 2021 at 8-6. They were under .500 the last 2 seasons so they didn't go from the top team to near the bottom in one off season like we have.

“Why is Milanovich starting a 36 year old QB over 25 year old in Taylor Powell? The guy showed promise last season but needs to play in order to develop.” You said this in the other thread, but you thought the Bombers made the right choice by keeping Collaros over Brown?

He was / is a tweener with almost dt size but not quite. And he was underwhelming in basically all tests at the combine. 10 reps 5+ second 40 etc. he played a style of pass rush in college that wasn’t projectable as a pro, speed rushing off the edge. He’s shown to be far smarter and adaptable than expected, guys like that are always valuable. A lot of positions are chess games with the opposition, he’s good at finding ways to win battles and playing with in his tool set. His hand rush and bull rush are good enough to play the edge, and hes a guy who plays faster than he runs. Hes just a damn good football player, not a track athlete type.

Jake Thomas loooool cry great motor, really smart disciplined guy, does a great job of using his hands to disengage and win some battles on the edge. We’ve been dying for a guy like him since kongbo left. Incredible find. If he can develop a bit he can be a game changing rotational guy.

emphasis on "the pot"

Just watch Collaros come back angry after having to take a game off and just light it up like he did last year after being taken out of that Edmonton game.

As of right now, Zac is still our best chance at turning this around. Whether we would have kept Brown, or if were to turn to Strev as our starter....Zac is our best chance. Decisions may need to made after this season or next, but for this year neither Brown or Strev are better options. An argument could be made about starting a transition for the future with Strev...but it would come with the growing pains and losses that such a decision would inevitably yield. Perhaps, if we cannot get back on our horse that's what we do, but for right now we gotta roll with Zac.

Hamilton's problem is defence not offence. They are middle of the pack on O scoring 24.8 per game, but they give up 33.8 a game, last in the CFL. BLM is 2nd in passing yards and first in passing TD's. He's not the problem this year.