17to85 Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: It's fun watching Mike make valid points and the usual suspects replying with 'ya buts'. If there are ya buts available then it's not that valid a point. Mike has his opinions which are not out and out wrong, but they're biased. Stickem and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: If there are ya buts available then it's not that valid a point. Mike has his opinions which are not out and out wrong, but they're biased. You can and do 'ya but' valid points and invalid points. Biased? From you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Mike's opinion is valid as I feel like maybe moving on from a vet or 2 might be best (Rose)(Hardrick) but I don't make those decisions so what can I do really Arnold_Palmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Goalie said: Mike's opinion is valid as I feel like maybe moving on from a vet or 2 might be best (Rose)(Hardrick) but I don't make those decisions so what can I do really Hardrick??? He's 32 and playing some of his best football.... Stickem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Noeller said: Hardrick??? He's 32 and playing some of his best football.... Ya But (thats a thing now) he's injured lots it seems and appears older than he is. Neufeld more so tho as we have guys to replace him. Peeps joke about Dan Clark. Pat Neufeld is that guy. He is Dan Clark but as a bomber Edited February 15, 2023 by Goalie rebusrankin, Noeller and Mike 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Mike said: “he’s pretty good” isn’t exactly what I’m going for when we’re talking about the highest paid player in his position, but I wouldn’t even agree with that assessment, personally. He was a step behind a ton of plays and as it was happening, everyone chalked it up to “well he’s just covering for other people so they’re using him differently” and to me, he just looked slow and a step behind. He was probably the most constant offender on our entire D when it came to whiffed arm tackles. He averaged 4 tackles a game and didn’t really contribute a whole lot else, which is not what I’m looking for from a top level MLB. Yes, I get he can drop back in coverage and give different looks, but so can a guy who can fly around a bit more and have a little more impact on the field. Part of me wonders if O’Shea sees a reflection of himself in Bighill, the decline in overall play has been very similar to what O’Shea saw when his time was coming to an end. Mike, realistically just who did he have playing in front of Bighill & Wilson stopping the run? We had no pressure from the interior of the DL on opposition qbs nor did we have a true gap run stopper like we did in 2021. Biggie had his pass responsibilities & then had to step up to also stop the run. The guy was gassed & beat up by mid season. We didn't have Steve Richardson to take care of things in 2022. He caused a lot of havoc inside & with Jeffcoat & Jefferson, OLs had real problems blocking all 3. I was hoping we'd address ou r biggest weakness on the team in free agency but we haven't so far. It's no coincidence there was a lot of injuries & sub par play at the linebacker & secondary positions. With no interior pass rush & the ability to stop the run the back end of any defense suffers. 7 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: You can and do 'ya but' valid points and invalid points. Biased? From you? Give it a rest. You just suck the life out of this place. BigBlueFanatic, WBBFanWest, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Biggie looked done to me tho. Like does the non existing valid point defensive tackle make biggie look slower or miss more tackles or just generally be a step behind? At times last season I thought Biggie was done for good. Dr Zaius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Goalie said: Biggie looked done to me tho. Like does the non existing valid point defensive tackle make biggie look slower or miss more tackles or just generally be a step behind? At times last season I thought Biggie was done for good. Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. Edited February 15, 2023 by SpeedFlex27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. Don't think Sayles was the answer ...he definitely wasn't a Richardson...I think we still need a tough nose tackle .....which I believe is still on Walters agenda JohnnyAbonny, Tracker, Blue-urns and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegGordo Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Was O'Day sleeping? Geebrr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said: Was O'Day sleeping? You're allowed to trade players? Whoa! - O'Day (probably) blue_gold_84, Bubba Zanetti, Jesse and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said: I believe he's been in the NFL already. I'm not sure that window is still open for him. 1 hour ago, Booch said: 106k Canadian....far cry from 160k....and his NFL window is non existent any more...that ship has long sailed away. What you or I think about his chances and what he thinks about his chances may not align. Also the absolute max the XFL runs is 3 months and the CFL 6. Factor that into the salary Edited February 16, 2023 by Geebrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Geebrr said: What you or I think about his chances and what he thinks about his chances may not align. Also the absolute max the XFL runs is 3 months and the CFL 6. Factor that into the salary the season is shorter yeah...then what...u not being paid.....and really as a player they dont look at that as any factor in it...they look at the $ per yr....that and only that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 He could immediately sign with a CFL team Micah Awe is still playing. Sankey would find a roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. It could be a difficult problem to solve with no money to do so, looks like any improvement may come down to prospects brought to camp. I'm not convinced Ricky Walker can fill Sayles shoes. Edited February 16, 2023 by Fatty Liver Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 He could take a month off and still get on a CFL roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? Geebrr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, JCon said: Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? That's my understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, JCon said: Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? I honestly don’t follow it at all so you could be right. If it is - then he is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegGordo Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) Kyle Walter's presser was a pretty good listen. He talked about how the Nationalized American rule didn't really play into how they are building the roster. He mentioned they are going to bring in QBs to compete for the short yardage job. These are going to be a different group than what would be competing to be Zach's backup. https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/02/14/kyle-walters-february-14-2023/ Dammit wrong thread Edited February 16, 2023 by WinnipegGordo Geebrr, rebusrankin, HardCoreBlue and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTonOB Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 2023-02-14 at 12:37 PM, Geebrr said: At that price tag he damn well better. Don’t you think, @DTonOB? That is DMOP cash for a six sack player + a subjective statistic like “pressures” Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that people will expect big sacks and league awards. I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle. We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season. bearpants, Bigblue204, rebusrankin and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Orimolade made Stanely Bryant look average at times last year Colin Unger, JCon and Bigblue204 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, DTonOB said: Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that people will expect big sacks and league awards. I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle. We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season. I agree that pressures are the better indicator, it just varies from one person to the next as to what a pressure is. Beating someone clean, sure we can usually pretty easily identify that. I think pressures may be a bit more nuanced to know what everybody’s duty on the play was. Or, if it is more simple- why isn’t it an official statistic? FYI- I think Orimolade is a good player trending upwards. So, don’t take this as a devaluation of his ability. How is he against the run? His tackle numbers seem solid enough. Edited February 16, 2023 by Geebrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jpan85 said: Orimolade made Stanely Bryant look average at times last year among others.....also the shittiest of shitty can make anyone look average at any time too...which means jack diddly Stickem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 hours ago, TBURGESS said: It's fun watching Mike make valid points and the usual suspects replying with 'ya buts'. I am sure he cherishes your support. Noeller, GCJenks, BigBlueFanatic and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now