Tracker Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, GCn20 said: For sure. They were devoid of leadership and character throughout the entire organization from ownership through to waterboy. Ummm....don`t you mean `waterperson`? Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 MBT bashing on here is pretty lame - the guy played pretty well last year with an OC who completely miscast Derel Walker and bungled their run game Chamblin was again in over his head and out of his mind. Same thing happening - if MBT put up those numbers with us, we'd be clamouring to sign him... because he's not a Bomber he's a bum and Streveler is the 'next one'... ha MBT might be a flake but he very much plays a Buck Pierce style of game - I'd have no complaints if he ends up here Colin Unger, Tracker, Fatty Liver and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Unger Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tracker said: Ummm....don`t you mean `waterperson`? "We like to say waterperson"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 MBT is more than a flake. He's straight up looney tunes. Have no use for a personality like that on a MOS team... Bigblue204 and GCn20 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Noeller said: MBT is more than a flake. He's straight up looney tunes. Have no use for a personality like that on a MOS team... Have you actually met the man ? Or are you basing your opinion on what you have read in the media ?...... Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Dr Zaius said: I can't see MBT being on Walters radar at all. It's one of Nichols/Collaros then Strev as 2b all the way dependent on the NFL for Strev. Both Nichols/Collaros have shown they do one thing here - win. Management almost never waiver when they have a surefire competitive team to field on paper. It's fun to speculate, but magic beans almost never get traded for established players. The problem with that is in no way can you depend on either collaros or nichols for a full season, and we streveler isnt ready to start that many games a year yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Noeller said: MBT is more than a flake. He's straight up looney tunes. Have no use for a personality like that on a MOS team... https://torontosun.com/sports/football/cfl/toronto-argonauts/argos-mcleod-bethel-thompson-stating-case-to-remain-a-no-1-qb "Bethel-Thompson is among the most respected players on the Boatmen because he’s always fighting and leading the team, right up until the final whistle." MOBomberFan, blue_gold_84 and Bigblue204 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueBlue83 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: They were rudderless because of Chamblin & Chapdelaine. The 2 supposed leaders who couldn't lead & it filtered down thru the assistant coaching ranks to the players. I have no idea if Ryan Dinwiddie can lead. The good ship Argo has so many leaks that duct tape won't solve the problem. Only a complete overhaul will do. I heard from a source that Dinwiddie has some good connections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wbbfan said: The problem with that is in no way can you depend on either collaros or nichols for a full season, and we streveler isnt ready to start that many games a year yet. Why isn't Streveler ready to start yet? Cuz Lapo made him a gimmick? I dunno personally think when he was allowed to be a QB and not just a Fullback.. He looked good. Sure looked good throwing TD strikes to Harris in the Grey Cup. Id rather go Streveler and Mcguire cuz recycling washed up injured Vets aint the answer long or short term. Edited December 17, 2019 by Goalie Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueBlue83 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Goalie said: Why isn't Streveler ready to start yet? Cuz Lapo made him a gimmick? I dunno personally think when he was allowed to be a QB and not just a Fullback.. He looked good. He was okay, not great! But I think he needs a full offseason to study and further develop his game. He's gotta break out of that "run first" mentality if he's going to have any kind of a lasting career in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, trueBlue83 said: He was okay, not great! But I think he needs a full offseason to study and further develop his game. He's gotta break out of that "run first" mentality if he's going to have any kind of a lasting career in this league. Was it a run first mentality...or was it something they seen he was good at and planned some of the offence with it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Goalie said: Why isn't Streveler ready to start yet? Cuz Lapo made him a gimmick? I dunno personally think when he was allowed to be a QB and not just a Fullback.. He looked good. Sure looked good throwing TD strikes to Harris in the Grey Cup. Id rather go Streveler and Mcguire cuz recycling washed up injured Vets aint the answer long or short term. You seriously recommending they go with streveler and McGuire as our QB combo next season? That’s a bold move that could cost someone their job. sweep the leg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueBlue83 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, NorthernSkunk said: Was it a run first mentality...or was it something they seen he was good at and planned some of the offence with it ? In games where he was the starter before Collaros got there, especially down the stretch in late September, you could see that he was starting panic quicker when he didn't see an open option quickly and went right into run mode. Very similar to when Nichols couldn't find someone and would just check down. What Streveler needs to develop in his game is that he is very mobile, and rather than just taking off like a running back, he's got the capability to move the pocked and create space and time for his receivers. We saw Collaros do it and it worked great! Just an element to Streveler's game that needs some work, because the upside is absolutely there! NorthernSkunk, rebusrankin and Bigblue204 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Goalie said: Why isn't Streveler ready to start yet? Cuz Lapo made him a gimmick? I dunno personally think when he was allowed to be a QB and not just a Fullback.. He looked good. Sure looked good throwing TD strikes to Harris in the Grey Cup. Id rather go Streveler and Mcguire cuz recycling washed up injured Vets aint the answer long or short term. That washed up injured vet helped win us a Grey Cup. As he proved to a lot of people, ZC is not ready to be written off just yet. coach17, BigBlueFanatic, M.O.A.B. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, B-F-F-C said: You seriously recommending they go with streveler and McGuire as our QB combo next season? That’s a bold move that could cost someone their job. "I like it, it's a vibrant concept." "Sure.....what could possibly go wrong?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Streveler needs to develop his passing game and make quicker/better reads. I think he's a better passer than most around here give him credit for, but he knows he can pick up 1st downs with his feet, so he uses that part of his game too often. When things break down, Nichols throws the ball away and Streveler goes for a run. Nichols has zero chance of making a first. Streveler has a pretty good chance of making a first. I wouldn't be happy with Streveler/McGuire because it's too much risk having just two young guys with Streveler being the vet. I'd be happiest with Arbuckle/Steveler as both have shown promise. I expect Nichols/Streveler which is OK I guess, but I'd prefer Collaros/Streveler if we go vet/youngun. M.O.A.B., Blueandgold, Noeller and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Streveler just needs to be put in a normal QB situation, and not in a trick/gimmick/run rpo based scheme He would flourish with reps in that system, has ability to be evasive in pocket and move around when pressure is there to extend plays, or take off when all breaks down, or he sees an opening. His running would be even ore lethal once hi is in that scenario as teams won't/can't cheat on anything. He has the arm to make all the throws with steam on it...I watched him his first day here when mini camp was on and he couldn't participate, but he worked out after with some receivers going through all the different routes, as well as target practice into the net from different spots on the field and made them all with ease, and was very accurate. I wondered who the heck this guy was because it was before anyone had heard the name Chris Streveler and he hadn't been signed yet, but you could tell he was skilled rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Feels more and more like MBT/Streveler is the right way to go... maybe $500-600k total in your QBs and leaves money to keep the D together and add a top NI Safety Noeller and Tracker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Did MBT have any type of injury issues this season .? He sure took some hits, seen him more than once with his chin strap covering his nose after a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 We can only speculate on the game plans when Streveler was starting. But it was noticeable and kinda odd that they rarely moved the pocket for him. It looked like Lapo just continued with the Nichols lead offence after that initial Edmonton game. I agree with the posters who are saying his passing game is under-appreciated. He can throw some darts into tight spaces, and his deep ball has connected a few times right on the money. Can it improve? Of course, but he's far from being a run only QB. I'd like to see him behind a vet again for another season, but getting some decent reps each game that are more then just run or had off to Harris. Move the pocket for him, getting him rolling out with options to throw. Of course he does need to get more comfortable in the pocket as well, but that will come with time (ideally). In terms of QB for next year. I'm good with either Nichols/Strev or Collaros/Strev. Do not want to see Arbuckle/Masoli/MBT here though. Just too many uncertainties with all 3 for me. Saying that, I have a feeling Strev will find a spot on an NFL squad. Which isn't horrible as I am really interested in seeing what Mcguire can do if he gets more game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: We can only speculate on the game plans when Streveler was starting. But it was noticeable and kinda odd that they rarely moved the pocket for him. It looked like Lapo just continued with the Nichols lead offence after that initial Edmonton game. I agree with the posters who are saying his passing game is under-appreciated. He can throw some darts into tight spaces, and his deep ball has connected a few times right on the money. Can it improve? Of course, but he's far from being a run only QB. I'd like to see him behind a vet again for another season, but getting some decent reps each game that are more then just run or had off to Harris. Move the pocket for him, getting him rolling out with options to throw. Of course he does need to get more comfortable in the pocket as well, but that will come with time (ideally). In terms of QB for next year. I'm good with either Nichols/Strev or Collaros/Strev. Do not want to see Arbuckle/Masoli/MBT here though. Just too many uncertainties with all 3 for me. Saying that, I have a feeling Strev will find a spot on an NFL squad. Which isn't horrible as I am really interested in seeing what Mcguire can do if he gets more game time. therin is the rub..I think skill set wise, and watching what each can do in practices that McGuire is the best "all around" guy, and has the best arm....just needs to learn the game and get experience...I bet if he got tossed to the wolves and had to start a string of games, that he would show enough., and learn quickly enough to make it hard to get him off the field Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Boy Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: We can only speculate on the game plans when Streveler was starting. But it was noticeable and kinda odd that they rarely moved the pocket for him. It looked like Lapo just continued with the Nichols lead offence after that initial Edmonton game. I agree with the posters who are saying his passing game is under-appreciated. He can throw some darts into tight spaces, and his deep ball has connected a few times right on the money. Can it improve? Of course, but he's far from being a run only QB. I'd like to see him behind a vet again for another season, but getting some decent reps each game that are more then just run or had off to Harris. Move the pocket for him, getting him rolling out with options to throw. Of course he does need to get more comfortable in the pocket as well, but that will come with time (ideally). In terms of QB for next year. I'm good with either Nichols/Strev or Collaros/Strev. Do not want to see Arbuckle/Masoli/MBT here though. Just too many uncertainties with all 3 for me. Saying that, I have a feeling Strev will find a spot on an NFL squad. Which isn't horrible as I am really interested in seeing what Mcguire can do if he gets more game time. I doubt a gimpy QB gets a long look in NFL. I think Streveler will be back. I don't get the interest in Arbuckle and Masoli. Is Masoli going to be available to play at the beginning of the season? Has Arbuckle shown so much as a starter? I know The Argo's have been mismanaged but there clearly was no confidence in MBT. He would put up big numbers in a game and might not start the next or he would throw a crippling int. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 As of today, my choices would be 1. Collaros/Streveler 2. Nichols/Streveler 3. Streveler/McGuire B-F-F-C, Booch, JCon and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Strev I know has stated he wants a legitimate opportunity to grow and establish himself as a successful QB, and he has a great chance to do it here, he'd be a gimmick there and would wash out in short order in that role, and have no true QB development whatsoever He's a smart kid, and his best bet and one I am sure he considers is to get a few more years up here and become what most think he can be, then parlay that here into a nice salary and being a big fish in a smaller pond, as I really enjoys and revels in the limelight and attention he would get...If he doesn't get an offer with a nice bonus and a guarantee that he's gonna be a legit QB option and not some camp arm, or gimmick guy I can't see him signing down south..He loves it too much in the Peg and the CFL Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Fan Boy said: I doubt a gimpy QB gets a long look in NFL. I think Streveler will be back. I don't get the interest in Arbuckle and Masoli. Is Masoli going to be available to play at the beginning of the season? Has Arbuckle shown so much as a starter? I know The Argo's have been mismanaged but there clearly was no confidence in MBT. He would put up big numbers in a game and might not start the next or he would throw a crippling int. Hes not trying out for this year and if it's not a serious injury (which I'm assuming its not) I dont see that being much of an issue. Otherwise why invite him at all? I can see someone taking a shot with him. Just my gut feeling that he will be down there for a bit anyway. Also got feeling that the bombers sign Collaros and not Nichols. Edited December 17, 2019 by Bigblue204 GCJenks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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