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I would rather have dipped my balls in lava then see the Riders win a Grey Cup in our stadium. So gross.

I hope someone let Friesen know because chances are he was not paying attention.

The WR that I like on our negotiation list (for what we need, imo) is Eli Pancol from Duke. Bryce Kirtz is an okay name to bring in, he might even be a good player for us but it’s been a while since we had that go out and get the ball type dawg as a receiver, the kind of guy that can just body DBs and be a tough haul to bring down. That’s the kind of guy I want to see us bring in.

After last night, I feel like

Regardless of who the backup was they were a better option than a qb who can't use his hand.

Walters calling this a turning point for a new era has me hopeful that running it back is out of the question this year.

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable.

We routinely played more Canadians than required so does it matter if we don't use the advantage?

2022- 15 carries for 82 yards, 1 catch for 4 yards. Bombers QBs are 14 for 25 for 183 and 2 picks. 2023- 19 carries for 119 yards and a td, 1 catch for 8 yards. Zach was 19/23 for 236 yards and a pick. 2024- 11 carries of 84 yards and a td, 2 catches for 18. Bombers Qbs are 15/33 for 202 yards and 4 ints. I'd say Brady showed up in those games. Meanwhile we're paying a guy $600,000 who was a combined 48 of 76 for 621 and 6 interceptions. That's 16 for 25.1 for 207 yards and 2 picks per game. So Brady was 45 for 285 yards and 2 TDs and 4 catches for 30 yards. That's 95 rushing yards per games (6.3 ypc) with roughly a TD.

I would have been ok giving either of our qbs with all of their fingers a chance to finish that game.

The point is, we regularly play subpar Canadian starters and guys with high upside don't get reps just because they're rookies.... and with BOLO it is more an example of even when guys are too hurt to play he stood on the sidelines... he might not be a super star but he's IMO better than Corcoran and clercius and we lost him because of that lack of opportunity when it was teed up on a platter for a guy to step up. I know you got your lips firmly planted on O'Shea's backside but things don't work in the black and white way you think.

I'm waiting for an announcement like this: HOGAN NOT RETURNING! For Immediate Release November 21, 2025: The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announce today that Offensive Coordinator Jason Hogan will not be returning for the 2026 season having decided to pursue coaching opportunities elsewhere. Head Coach Mike O'Shea thanks Jason for his hard work & dedication to the team. "Jason was a hard working & extremely knowledgeable coach who has an unquestioned work ethic & passion for the game. He worked well with me & the rest of the Bomber offense, in particular Zach. I wish Jason nothing but the best in his future coaching endeavours".

Yeah I will be blown away if I ever see Schoen and or Streveler playing in the CFL again. Which is a true shame.

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

Calgary hasn't hosted a playoff game since 2019 and hasn't won anything since 2018. They've been down for a long time by CFL standards, especially when Edmonton and Ottawa are so bad too. QB play in the league is bad. If you protect Zach and give him some receivers we could have the best offense in the league pretty quick. It's basically Rourke, Alexander and everyone else. Harris is consistently average, BLM and VAJ had a few good games but are terribly inconsistent. Arbuckle and Fajardo can get you 6-7 wins. Keep in mind all these other QB's were scrap heaped long ago. Harris was dumped by Edmonton and Montreal 4-5 years ago and just won the Grey Cup. Who do you go get that gives you a better chance to win a CFL game than Collaros tomorrow? If you're thinking you're just going to throw a rookie on the field and magic....well go back from about 1995 to 2016 and live that over.

I watched the presser. My takeaways were different from some of what I read on the board. Walters all but admitted it’s time for a rebuild and set the bar high for this year by saying it can be done quickly. No pay cut for Zach, but that’s partly due to how bad the supports were around him, he said. That suggests there will be hard conversations about the OC, receivers and Oline. He even admitted the Bombers squeaked out some wins despite playing bad football. Only quality wins were over B.C. and Hamilton. That suggests he has his eyes open. The entire organization under achieved this year, except for maybe Vaval and Carol in the ticket office.. It sounds like this season stung the people in charge and course correction is ahead. We will see.

Yeah, we really need to get Elgersma up here. He is our future at QB IMO. Another Rourke in the making.

'22 you are obviously going to run it back given you just won a GC. '23 you were a random Chad Kelly away from winning the GC so I could see running it back. '24 You just lost a close one against Montreal. But cracks are starting to form. '25 you absolutely **** the bed against the Argos in the grey Cup. That should have been an indication it was time to shake things up. Instead we brought everyone back again minus Lawler and signed some questionable FAs. Obviously we could have made much better long term improvements in that entire duration. Don't get me wrong. I just think how we went into this year was inexcusable.

Actually didnt care for Hodges little side takes. Osh was pretty straight forward in hes not interested in gm role. Also recognizes that lywasn't good enough and he has to adjust h4is coaching style to be more involved in day yo day coaching

Well they let wolitarsky walk for clercius.... thats part and parcel of succession planning. You are super obsessed with numbers, yet a guy like Bailey as an example had success here but didn't have it elsewhere. Situations matter. But you are again missing the entire point, the point here is oshea makes bad decisions with the roster, included in that is dressing guys who have shown they are not totally useless and then giving them 0 reps while 3 other players at the same position can barely move yet play the whole game. So how can we trust that oshea is making the best choices possible? We can't.

Nah. Walters just came off a 2 year deal https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/11/28/blue-bombers-and-general-manager-kyle-walters-agree-to-terms-on-two-year-extension/ MOS off a 3 year deal he signed after 2022 https://www.bluebombers.com/2022/12/08/head-coach-mike-oshea-signs-three-year-contract-extension/ https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/11/14/oshea-staying-put/#:~:text=The CFL's longest-serving head,season%2C prompting all the speculation. The CFL’s longest-serving head coach, O’Shea was hired by the club on December 4th, 2013 and after signing a three-year extension to remain with the club in 2022, was working on an expiring contract this season, prompting all the speculation.

This. I never once got the sense that the on-field product was the most important thing for the club this year. It felt like as long as we're still selling out, we're fine even though there were a number of things that could have been corrected in-season (Hogan being the most glaring example). I've never once debated renewing my season tickets until this season and I'm still on the fence. Most (if not all) of the people here have sat through terrible seasons before so it's not about only supporting the team when they are winning or expecting to be in GC every year but at least give me the impression you realize the team isn't good enough and are actively trying to get better. I'm glad the club is doing well financially and all the work they have put into the gameday atmosphere is paying off but that doesn't mean a whole lot to me - I come for the football, not the Rum Hut. The Riders winning here was just the cherry on a s**t sundae of a season.

It all came to down to that Als fumble at the goal line. If they score there, you've got a ball game.

This game just reinforces how key it is to win the line of scrimmage.

I hate the Riders

Schoen was a hell of a possession receiver

If hogans back / we don’t do a major re tooling that shows serious change, the whole team is cooked

Can I talk with you out back?

lol....my point was all rider fans were saying "Those players are all going to want raises, good luck with that Walters" Sounds like he's really contemplating retirement. And who can blame him? Going out on top isn't always possible and this is likely his only chance.

In Walter's press conference, he was asked about Zach's deal, and he still thinks Zach is worth 600k. (He unofficially confirmed the 600k, and I assume the 350k ish gaurenteed again) I broke down his playoff stats a couple of years ago, which were even more dismal than I expected. Here is some more fun with Zach's numbers. He has played 31 games in his last two seasons, and during that time, he has averaged 238 yards passing, 1 interception, and 1 touchdown per game. 14 of his 31 games have been under that average of 238 yards passing, 7/31 games have been 300 or more. With 10 games very close to his average. In 24 games out of 31, we see average, or bad Zach. And average Zach is pretty bad. 12/31 gave had more ints than tds. 8/31 games have had more TDs than INTs. His 2 best games of the last year skew his stats by 762 yards, 9tds and 0 INTs. If you remove his 2 best games of last year, his average per game drops to 228 yards per game, and .8 tds per game. If you create a split of good Zach vs Zach the rest of the time over the past 2 seasons, you get this; Good Zach, 2134 yards, 16 tds, 4 ints in 7 games. for 304 yards per game. A full season would be 5,472 yards, 41 tds, and 10 Ints. Common Zach, 5,250 18 tds 27 ints in the other 24 games for 218.75 yards per game. A full season of this Zach would put up 3937 yards, 13 tds, 20 ints. In 7 of Zach's last 31 games, he has been worth 600k. That is very comparable to what BLM and Rourke did this year. In the other 24 games Zach has played, well, you'd be better off taking Fajardo's worst 1.5-2 years. Or any other maligned QB that started in this league currently. Like MBT. 77.4% Zachs games played the past 2 seasons, he's been one of, if not the worst, starting QB in the league. If we fix "X", "Y", and "Z", does that mean we flip those games and see good Zach 77% of the time? Well, we didn't have the worst pass blocking OL over he past 2 years, far from the worst run game, and didn't have the worst WR core. (As dismal as the WR core has been, it has featured guys like Wilson, Demski, and Lawler over 2 seasons.) I don't see us having the ability to get a premium QB this year, even if we weren't locked into Zach. I think the best hope is that if we significantly improve at OC, OL, and WR, Zach will be a coin flip between league average (instead of arguably worst) and MOP. Yep, and when you see the fast turnaround without a year of bad ball, it's because of a QB change. Going from a mccheese to VAJ will flip your fortunes fast.

I mean do we really need a top down rebuild? There's still some good pieces here, just need to add some stars which could be done in free agency... and then jetison some dead weight. Things aren't as dire as all that yet.

This season the offense was on the entire organization. Walters signed that high priced receiver from Edmonton & Osh barely played him. Damn, at one point we had Chris Streveler playing wideout on a bum knee. We signed Dalton Schoen & he never should have seen the fie;d this season. He was cooked by O'Shea playing him on a torn ACL. Zach was then handec an OC who was the worst in the CFL & now it looks like he'll be back again. We have the worst starting CEnter in the CFL & the OL suffers because of it. I can't blame Collaros. I thin k it's more 65/35 Bombers seem to have become a somewhat dysfunctional organization. If you heard the comments from both Osh & Walters. More of the same coming in 2026.

Well it's a lot easier to fool yourself when you are first in the west and playing for the grey cup compared to 4th in the west and meekly bow out in the east semi-final.

I read it more as they haven't talked to the rest of the coaching staff yet and he wasn't going to say someone isn't going to be back without having told them to their face beforehand.

Walters is scheduled for his presser today - will be interesting to hear his thoughts & see if we learn anything about how they plan to right the ship.

Yeah his answers were more than fine. There were some offside questions in so much as things were asked and answered, or asked and he made it clear he wasn't going to say any more about it, and they kept hounding to the point where DC had to step in and tell them to stop. There's a sense of entitlement, to try and pry information that he clearly wants to keep private. People need to respect that.

Year 1 we win the Grey Cup Year 2 we win the Grey Cup Year 3 we win the Grey Cup 🙂

I brought my four year old son to the activities around U of W and he was instantly turned in to a football fan. I found very well put together and enjoyable for the both of us. That type of stuff is just a instant CFL fan generator. My son insisted on watching the Grey Cup and now wants to play football around the house, go to games and watch more on TV. What a win for the team/league. It was my first time attending Grey Cup festivities and it really highlighted how important the game and its history are to Canadians and Canada as a nation. It was really cool seeing the community of fans representing all the different areas of Canada coming together for the love of the game. Previously, I could never have seen myself attending a Grey Cup unless to Bombers were in it, but the whole atmosphere of the week has changed my mind. I haven't had season tickets for some years, but I was considering getting them again once my son was old enough to appreciate the games. Unfortunately, I am incredibly disappointed with the direction the CFL is going with the rule changes, so it makes the decision not to get tickets next year a lot easier.

I doubt Alexander would have played if it was a regular game. Injured QB loses Grey Cup sounds sadly familiar. Still kept them in the game until the fumble. Gotta say, I was hoping for a TD and a 2 pointer to force OT. Congrats to the Riders. Had a great season and won another cup. It's gonna be a long off season.

Ento should be in the end zone

A Maas team with that kind of billboard material? Oh hell yeah

MBB: Can we buy you a beer and a bus ticket?

Vive Les Alouettes! A sound drubbing by the Als is what we need to rid this city of the cockroach infestation. Gillingham needs to call Poulins on Monday to just fog the whole city.

Zach doesnt have guaranteed money for 2026. He could be cut tomorrow and be owed nothing.

I love Brady and the fact that he’s a Winnipegger but his salary is a luxury at the leagues most replaceable position. I said it in 24 when he earned the contract, I’ll say it again now: if I was building a roster RB is not the position I’d blow my wad on. There are guys out there who can do what he does .. who don’t HAVE to do what he does .. and could (more than adequately) fill the role while allowing us to address other areas of the roster.

Canadians are the highest paid players at almost every position in the league. That’s just how it goes. Almost all of them can be replaced effectively by a cheaper American, but then you’re stuck using weaker Canadians. Id rather pay guys like Demski and Oliveira and have to use cheaper Americans elsewhere. Guys like Logan ($114k) are the mistakes we need to avoid.