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So would this guy.

Regardless of who the backup was they were a better option than a qb who can't use his hand.

Walters calling this a turning point for a new era has me hopeful that running it back is out of the question this year.

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable.

Looks like Hogan is done! https://3downnation.com/2025/11/24/winnipeg-blue-bombers-granted-permission-to-interview-mike-miller-for-offensive-coordinator-position-report/

Naylor says the bombers have requested and been granted permission to talk to Mike Miller (toronto) for the oc position! He notes miller is a candidate for the argos hc job still. Theyre giving me some hope!

I would have been ok giving either of our qbs with all of their fingers a chance to finish that game.

Would love to see Justin Hardy here. Dude is a legit #1, makes plays all over the field, has had three straight 1000 yard years. His 2023 season had Terrance Edwards energy ... he hit 1k with rookie Dustin Crum, bad Nick Arbuckle, brokedown Jeremiah Masoli and Tyree Adams as his QBs.

This week on MBB, Posters battle over who hates the Riders the most.

I'm waiting for an announcement like this: HOGAN NOT RETURNING! For Immediate Release November 21, 2025: The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announce today that Offensive Coordinator Jason Hogan will not be returning for the 2026 season having decided to pursue coaching opportunities elsewhere. Head Coach Mike O'Shea thanks Jason for his hard work & dedication to the team. "Jason was a hard working & extremely knowledgeable coach who has an unquestioned work ethic & passion for the game. He worked well with me & the rest of the Bomber offense, in particular Zach. I wish Jason nothing but the best in his future coaching endeavours".

Yeah I will be blown away if I ever see Schoen and or Streveler playing in the CFL again. Which is a true shame.

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

Calgary hasn't hosted a playoff game since 2019 and hasn't won anything since 2018. They've been down for a long time by CFL standards, especially when Edmonton and Ottawa are so bad too. QB play in the league is bad. If you protect Zach and give him some receivers we could have the best offense in the league pretty quick. It's basically Rourke, Alexander and everyone else. Harris is consistently average, BLM and VAJ had a few good games but are terribly inconsistent. Arbuckle and Fajardo can get you 6-7 wins. Keep in mind all these other QB's were scrap heaped long ago. Harris was dumped by Edmonton and Montreal 4-5 years ago and just won the Grey Cup. Who do you go get that gives you a better chance to win a CFL game than Collaros tomorrow? If you're thinking you're just going to throw a rookie on the field and magic....well go back from about 1995 to 2016 and live that over.

I watched the presser. My takeaways were different from some of what I read on the board. Walters all but admitted it’s time for a rebuild and set the bar high for this year by saying it can be done quickly. No pay cut for Zach, but that’s partly due to how bad the supports were around him, he said. That suggests there will be hard conversations about the OC, receivers and Oline. He even admitted the Bombers squeaked out some wins despite playing bad football. Only quality wins were over B.C. and Hamilton. That suggests he has his eyes open. The entire organization under achieved this year, except for maybe Vaval and Carol in the ticket office.. It sounds like this season stung the people in charge and course correction is ahead. We will see.

Yeah, we really need to get Elgersma up here. He is our future at QB IMO. Another Rourke in the making.

'22 you are obviously going to run it back given you just won a GC. '23 you were a random Chad Kelly away from winning the GC so I could see running it back. '24 You just lost a close one against Montreal. But cracks are starting to form. '25 you absolutely **** the bed against the Argos in the grey Cup. That should have been an indication it was time to shake things up. Instead we brought everyone back again minus Lawler and signed some questionable FAs. Obviously we could have made much better long term improvements in that entire duration. Don't get me wrong. I just think how we went into this year was inexcusable.

Actually didnt care for Hodges little side takes. Osh was pretty straight forward in hes not interested in gm role. Also recognizes that lywasn't good enough and he has to adjust h4is coaching style to be more involved in day yo day coaching

30 years of coaching, OC in the NFL (Arizona), OC in Toronto and Montreal (also co-head coach there). Plus he's made Arbuckle look halfway decent. Would not be worse but time would tell if would be great.

Chris Jones in Toronto would be very, very entertaining- for the rest of the league.

You sure?

I love to counter pressure with asymmetrical sets and heavy motion. Really put the secondary in a bind. Use ncaa style fast rpo, no step or one step throw screens. Throw to the area the defense vacates to pressure, or take advantage of miss matches like slot on lber or rb on db in hitches and quick hitters. Mesh is great vs pressure too. They to running vs pressure is to vary up the run touches to keep the D off kilter. Wide and outside zone are great to punish over pursuit, and draws. People tend of thin of draw only as an inside run from the gun, but you can delay toss to punish the edge, you can run search with delay or off a pump fake etc.

Can I talk with you out back?

lol....my point was all rider fans were saying "Those players are all going to want raises, good luck with that Walters" Sounds like he's really contemplating retirement. And who can blame him? Going out on top isn't always possible and this is likely his only chance.

In Walter's press conference, he was asked about Zach's deal, and he still thinks Zach is worth 600k. (He unofficially confirmed the 600k, and I assume the 350k ish gaurenteed again) I broke down his playoff stats a couple of years ago, which were even more dismal than I expected. Here is some more fun with Zach's numbers. He has played 31 games in his last two seasons, and during that time, he has averaged 238 yards passing, 1 interception, and 1 touchdown per game. 14 of his 31 games have been under that average of 238 yards passing, 7/31 games have been 300 or more. With 10 games very close to his average. In 24 games out of 31, we see average, or bad Zach. And average Zach is pretty bad. 12/31 gave had more ints than tds. 8/31 games have had more TDs than INTs. His 2 best games of the last year skew his stats by 762 yards, 9tds and 0 INTs. If you remove his 2 best games of last year, his average per game drops to 228 yards per game, and .8 tds per game. If you create a split of good Zach vs Zach the rest of the time over the past 2 seasons, you get this; Good Zach, 2134 yards, 16 tds, 4 ints in 7 games. for 304 yards per game. A full season would be 5,472 yards, 41 tds, and 10 Ints. Common Zach, 5,250 18 tds 27 ints in the other 24 games for 218.75 yards per game. A full season of this Zach would put up 3937 yards, 13 tds, 20 ints. In 7 of Zach's last 31 games, he has been worth 600k. That is very comparable to what BLM and Rourke did this year. In the other 24 games Zach has played, well, you'd be better off taking Fajardo's worst 1.5-2 years. Or any other maligned QB that started in this league currently. Like MBT. 77.4% Zachs games played the past 2 seasons, he's been one of, if not the worst, starting QB in the league. If we fix "X", "Y", and "Z", does that mean we flip those games and see good Zach 77% of the time? Well, we didn't have the worst pass blocking OL over he past 2 years, far from the worst run game, and didn't have the worst WR core. (As dismal as the WR core has been, it has featured guys like Wilson, Demski, and Lawler over 2 seasons.) I don't see us having the ability to get a premium QB this year, even if we weren't locked into Zach. I think the best hope is that if we significantly improve at OC, OL, and WR, Zach will be a coin flip between league average (instead of arguably worst) and MOP. Yep, and when you see the fast turnaround without a year of bad ball, it's because of a QB change. Going from a mccheese to VAJ will flip your fortunes fast.

I mean do we really need a top down rebuild? There's still some good pieces here, just need to add some stars which could be done in free agency... and then jetison some dead weight. Things aren't as dire as all that yet.

This season the offense was on the entire organization. Walters signed that high priced receiver from Edmonton & Osh barely played him. Damn, at one point we had Chris Streveler playing wideout on a bum knee. We signed Dalton Schoen & he never should have seen the fie;d this season. He was cooked by O'Shea playing him on a torn ACL. Zach was then handec an OC who was the worst in the CFL & now it looks like he'll be back again. We have the worst starting CEnter in the CFL & the OL suffers because of it. I can't blame Collaros. I thin k it's more 65/35 Bombers seem to have become a somewhat dysfunctional organization. If you heard the comments from both Osh & Walters. More of the same coming in 2026.

Well it's a lot easier to fool yourself when you are first in the west and playing for the grey cup compared to 4th in the west and meekly bow out in the east semi-final.

I read it more as they haven't talked to the rest of the coaching staff yet and he wasn't going to say someone isn't going to be back without having told them to their face beforehand.

Walters is scheduled for his presser today - will be interesting to hear his thoughts & see if we learn anything about how they plan to right the ship.

Yeah his answers were more than fine. There were some offside questions in so much as things were asked and answered, or asked and he made it clear he wasn't going to say any more about it, and they kept hounding to the point where DC had to step in and tell them to stop. There's a sense of entitlement, to try and pry information that he clearly wants to keep private. People need to respect that.

Winnipeg fans would love Emilus if he was here.

He would have with constant slide protections...moving line and pocket and throwing from different points on the field....sprint and roll outs as our basis of attack....or with a scheme where we didn't basically eliminate parts of the field and have some receivers basically schemed out of any benefit...we were screwd from get go due to an OC with zero clue

Which is just another head scratcher. It was completely predictable that he would not fare well behind this year's OL.

Is that a shot at tui downfield eli???! lol I fully believe that a team that invested in talented big athletic Te(s) and 11/12/22 formation would be at a massive advantage. Especially with a fast qb who can run.

yup, him Nichols and Allen should all be back next season.

I really want yo know what happened where clercius went from "we can cut wolitarsky for you" to "we're going to start Corcoran ahead of you "

We bring in extra protection all the time, it doesn't matter when the middle of your line goes "OLE!" And you got no targets to dump the ball quick. We need to use less blockers and have more receiving targets. Beat pressure with quick completions not protection for slow developing plays.

We should've never been in that position where its dole or wilson in a grey cup lol.

If you could land Philpot, a trio of Philpot, Demski and Clercius starting, 2 on the OL and 2 on D would likely make us better.

Man, if we did that, with a canadian Lber and DB, we'd be back to beating up teams in the trenches fast.

Tweaking isn't going to be enough to get back into the top teams conversation. Continuity, at this juncture, is just continuing the downward trend we've been on for the last 3 years.

Its just a flesh wound

no one will get a shot at qb as long as zach has a pulse and a contract

Walters presser: Taylor Elgersma - sounds like he's waiting on an NFL futures contract for now. Window closes around Feb. Kyle expects if not then, then he will be expected up here. Ya he's acknowledged that last year wasn't good enough. 10 wins, but didn't beat most teams with their top QBs. Didn't beat Trevor Harris, VA, Alexander. Saying easier to do a quick fix with all the 1 year contracts across the league.

sad part...wasnt just "this" yr....but at least he has admitted it was a pathetic failure...That's a start...can he follow thru?...Thats the million dollar question...history so far says not a chance....time will tell I guess....tho he has been given ample time already...2021 is eons ago in the sports world That is concerning and shows that last yr was likely the same thing....went into off-season/FA and into TC with no real plan at all...just figured guys would sing here...just because....things would work out...cause they did yrs ago and just follow the script and we be good...a script that failed for 3 yrs....If we just getting more the same based on that initial lil snippet...we in for some lean times Cup is over....that should be disclosed now already...can have a huge affect in guys possibly re-upping before FA or saying...I'm going tom free agancy now.....plus gives potential FA anidea also from other teams whats the deal here and time to weigh the pro' and cons...dragging our feet and or just going status quo will have us having the same kind of FA as last yr...dissapointing and a big failure

Not sure what anyone else could want from a press conference. No head coach is going to publicly skewer players or coaches and they aren't going to talk about contracts. He acknowledged this year wasn't good enough and that the standard remains high. A pretty easy answer but also one every coach will give.

sadly...we had him and cut him he's be better served now..and prob top toer at guard if he comes back...Mgloster..Bryant...anything but Kolo....the best outta Eli/Wallace/Neuf/Vpool/Vibert/FA Guy at guard/center and Randolph at RT...and whoever isnt your starting guard/center as the 6th...gimme some of that

So walters has been trimming some old folks pretty consistently in offseasons. I'd expect that to continue. I think they need to get back into trying to snag some key pieces through free agency again and put some focus on the lines again.

More like if we didn't cheap out on a kicker, didn't field injured guys who became liabilities, and if Zach could play even half decent considering his salary we would have more cups.

"Free agency? Don't talk to me about free agents. You kidding me??? We'll be lucky to sign our own guys before they leave. I just hope we can sign Thomas."