blue_gold_84 Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Wideleft said: Pierre has even less real-life work experience than Scheer from what I understand. What, than this guy? Nah... Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 I’ve always questioned using terms like far left and far right to describe extremists. I think without even knowing it what we do when we use these terms to describe a small percentage of people is we give them way more legitimacy than they deserve. Group them all together and just call them wingnuts, extremists, nut jobs whatever. Most of us share an eclectic array of political, social ideologies depending on the issue being discussed at so it’s hard to pin most of us down specifically where we land on that political spectrum. We do tho show a bit on where we may lean overall if you had to generalize. Bigblue204, the watcher, Fred C Dobbs and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 GOOD WildPath, Tracker, Bigblue204 and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 thank f*ck..... I hope every penny of that goes to pay out the lawsuit they're currently being hit with by residents of downtown Ottawa. Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-nunavut-senator-quits-conservative-caucus-over-support-for-ottawa/ the watcher, Bigblue204, rebusrankin and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildPath Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-nunavut-senator-quits-conservative-caucus-over-support-for-ottawa/ Stuff like this is really important if we want to try to avoid going down the hole that the US has been going down. There needs to be people with spines in the Conservative party. The same with when Eileen Clark quit her role in the Pallister government when they were defending residential schools. I was hopeful that O'Toole would condemn the convoy and that would be the Conservative party line, but they've gone in totally the opposite direction with the Candice "Maga" Bergen who can't even denounce nazism without bringing up indigenous protests and the toppling of the statue... Manitoba Premier's response to Candace Bergen questioned (citynews.ca) He also said the Conservative party has taken an “increasingly divisive and vitriolic” approach and he will continue to speak against extremism in the party. “We need to shift away from that,” he said. --------------- Former federal Conservative cabinet minister Chris Alexander called the Conservatives’ stand “both disgraceful and inexcusable.” “I’m ashamed to see Conservative Party of Canada members, including elected MPs, portraying vaccine mandates as ‘tyranny’ and Trudeau as the ‘biggest threat to freedom in Canada’ while Russia prepares to launch a massive war on Ukraine,” he said. Edited February 5, 2022 by WildPath Noeller, blue_gold_84, Tracker and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Interesting to listen to the trucker zillow app... how they view themselves vs how everyone else views them... and the point of the protest becomes LESS clear... https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/recordings-reveal-duelling-realities-of-trucker-protests-1.6339159 WildPath and blue_gold_84 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 As we discuss this protest, I hope everyone is thinking about what line these protesters are crossing. I bet that line is different for everyone. What have line have they crossed between respectful protest (whatever that means) to unacceptable? Noeller and blue_gold_84 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) and I just learned that GiveSendGo is a thing Edited February 5, 2022 by iHeart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/lawsuit-filed-against-convoy-organizers-seeking-damages-on-behalf-of-downtown-ottawa-residents-1.5768731 Tracker and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-nunavut-senator-quits-conservative-caucus-over-support-for-ottawa/ Tip of the iceberg- lots of sub-surface dissent that will bubble to the surface. Wait until O'Toole speaks. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JCon said: As we discuss this protest, I hope everyone is thinking about what line these protesters are crossing. I bet that line is different for everyone. What have line have they crossed between respectful protest (whatever that means) to unacceptable? I just want the enforcement to be there when laws are clearly being violated. That would be a good start. I want the same standards applied to other actions to be applied to this one. Part of my job is to organize rallies and other public events up to and including strike pucket lines. There's specific laws around legal struke action, but rallies are different. For rallies, we always have permits when needed and ensure traffic (both vehicle and pedestrian) is never impacted as the law requires . We are also respectful of those affected as it is easy to turn people off, and a fine line between being seen and heard, and turning people off from your message. Organizers are also responsible for the actions of each and every person participating. When organizing, we coordinate with police to ensure any issues come to the organizers, and frequently meet when needed for example when a strike happens. I think these organizers totally messed this one up, and lost control of the participants and the messaging. they should be ultimately responsible the same way I would be ultimately be held responsible should that happen at any other event, or anyone else organizing something similar. Edited February 5, 2022 by itchy blue_gold_84, the watcher, JCon and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 hours ago, GCn20 said: Scheer and O'Toole never came close to attacking Trudeau....and that was their path to victory. Both men tried to pass off the nice guy image and that doesn't engage anyone. Pollievre is an attack dog and he's VERY good at it. As Jason Kenney has shown, putting an attack dog in a position of leadership is a colossal ******* mistake. No Polievre won't win because as has been proven through 3 leaders and 3 elections now, Canadians won't give you a government because Trudeau and Liberals bad! The cons want to win they gotta stop letting the crazies run the show and actually propose some policies that make sense to Canadians. Bigblue204 and WildPath 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildPath Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 hours ago, itchy said: I just want the enforcement to be there when laws are clearly being violated. That would be a good start. I want the same standards applied to other actions to be applied to this one. Part of my job is to organize rallies and other public events up to and including strike pucket lines. There's specific laws around legal struke action, but rallies are different. For rallies, we always have permits when needed and ensure traffic (both vehicle and pedestrian) is never impacted as the law requires . We are also respectful of those affected as it is easy to turn people off, and a fine line between being seen and heard, and turning people off from your message. Organizers are also responsible for the actions of each and every person participating. When organizing, we coordinate with police to ensure any issues come to the organizers, and frequently meet when needed for example when a strike happens. I think these organizers totally messed this one up, and lost control of the participants and the messaging. they should be ultimately responsible the same way I would be ultimately be held responsible should that happen at any other event, or anyone else organizing something similar. I don't think the organizers "messed up". I think this is what they wanted, except on an even bigger level. The million or so semi's they had running to Ottawa for example 😁. I think many genuinely believe the rules in place shouldn't apply to them despite the crap they would spew if the same was going on with indigenous protesters. Personally knowing some of the people that support this garbage, I know they would openly advocate violence against indigenous protesters. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 FYI - the Klan rally is still ongoing downtown. Avoid the Leg area if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 hours ago, itchy said: I just want the enforcement to be there when laws are clearly being violated. That would be a good start. I want the same standards applied to other actions to be applied to this one. Part of my job is to organize rallies and other public events up to and including strike pucket lines. There's specific laws around legal struke action, but rallies are different. For rallies, we always have permits when needed and ensure traffic (both vehicle and pedestrian) is never impacted as the law requires . We are also respectful of those affected as it is easy to turn people off, and a fine line between being seen and heard, and turning people off from your message. Organizers are also responsible for the actions of each and every person participating. When organizing, we coordinate with police to ensure any issues come to the organizers, and frequently meet when needed for example when a strike happens. I think these organizers totally messed this one up, and lost control of the participants and the messaging. they should be ultimately responsible the same way I would be ultimately be held responsible should that happen at any other event, or anyone else organizing something similar. I think it likely that chaos and destruction were an integral part of the aim of at least some of the "organizers". Being able to bring the city to a halt, alarm the politicians and do whatever the hell the wanted while the authorities stood by would give them a sense of power and legitimacy they lack in their own emotionally impoverished lives. For once, they would feel noticed and in control. JCon, HardCoreBlue, WildPath and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said: I’ve always questioned using terms like far left and far right to describe extremists. agree. the two groups have much in common. some of the current American right wing "thinkers";started out as Marxists. but, that doesnt pay well in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyAbonny Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Well Winnipeg has shown in pretty quick order to have far less patience than Ottawa lol the watcher, Mark F and Tracker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 23 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said: McKay would be PM right now if they had voted him leader instead of O'Toole. O'Toole was a complete nobody and a terrible choice to begin with that had zero chance of winning. They believed McKay to be too left which is what they're now claiming O'Toole to be. There's an Alanis Morissette song in there somewhere. blue_gold_84, Fred C Dobbs, JCon and 1 other 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the watcher Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 I find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10 years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. He was ( I think ) a born again Christian who wouldn't allow his members to table an abortion discussion. He was elected in Alberta yet kept the PAL requirement for gun use and ownership. He recognized the importance of officially naming 1st Nations as a separate nation within the nation. He may have been despised by the left but he knew how to pull the central vote his way. He knew what he could get away with and what he couldn't and forced his party to comply. I had hoped O Toole would have this ability but he wasn't even close. What the PCs are embracing now will keep them out of power. At least I hope it does. rebusrankin, WildPath, Fred C Dobbs and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, the watcher said: find it interesting / odd that the Conservatives have forgotten what should have been their biggest lesson from the Harper years. You need to be pragmatic if you are a Conservative and want to govern Canada. The guy governed for close to 10 years by suppressing the more radical, members of his party. Except in the end, when it looked bad for him, he campaigned on muslim fear mongering, that he hoped would get him votes for instance in rural quebec. and he was an absolute extremist as far as science, and concern for the planet was concerned. never forget how he shutndown the experimental lakes funding. funny thing.... they just established that fish populations can recover from mercury pollution in as little as ten years. good news for polluters maybe. at least he left health care alone. Tracker, WildPath and Bigblue204 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said: Well Winnipeg has shown in pretty quick order to have far less patience than Ottawa lol Guess you referencing this… https://www.facebook.com/100072014243376/posts/148659120877895/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Guess you referencing this… https://www.facebook.com/100072014243376/posts/148659120877895/ God damn... no one deserves to be run over for protesting... I hope they are ok. WildPath, Tracker and Bigblue204 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBomberFan Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 https://www.chrisd.ca/2022/02/05/manitoba-convoy-protest-vehicle-hit-run-police/ They got the guy. He's not from Winnipeg, and he claims the hit and run wasn't related to protesting or counter-protesting, just an angry dude that ran out of patience blue_gold_84, JohnnyAbonny and Wideleft 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said: https://www.chrisd.ca/2022/02/05/manitoba-convoy-protest-vehicle-hit-run-police/ They got the guy. He's not from Winnipeg, and he claims the hit and run wasn't related to protesting or counter-protesting, just an angry dude that ran out of patience I can see that- ran out of patience, thought he had an opening and tried to pass the truck in front of him and hit some people in the streets, realized he hit someone, freaked out and drove away? Still pretty shitty that he drove away. Tracker and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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