Booch Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 Just now, Bigblue204 said: Agreed. I was just pointing out that we don't technically need a back up NI RB with the way we've been using the roster lately. yes...was concurring with you....if we use our DA's properly we can be very deep...Maybe this Global Kicker we signed bumps Castillo out of the picture....and we can use his spot..Jacksons and the 2 others for guys who will enhance the roster...not just fill it.....I have no issues with Castillo at all.....but if you know who chooses to waste a DA spot again all yr, and we use another with the Kicker, then we are really hamstringing our depth Bigblue204 and wbbfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) At this point and time there are so many options available to KW as far as SMS goes. Could we sign BO, Schoen, Streveler....absolutely no problem we could. They all want to be here. Should we? That's the real question and really the only person in position to answer that is KW because none of us know who he would ship out and who he would replace those he ships out with. Without carnal knowledge of what any of these guys want for salary and who we gotta carve out to make room, and what kind of blue chipper prospects and back room convos KW is having we will all just have to wait until this crazy carousel called the offseason becomes clearer. Right now, BO, Schoen and Strev all remain strong possibilities to sign with us and if the price is right I am sure we want them all. Edited January 23 by GCn20 rebusrankin, TBURGESS and Jesse 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 unless inside the walls hard to determine what and why For speculation sakes, say we dispose of Augustine, Miller, Briggs, Thomas, Kolo,Gauthier, Castillo and Benson...rough avg salary of around 115 for those guys saves you 920k.....slice away 600k for 8 entry level deals, and really with the exception of maybe Castillo all can be entry level, or a role guy in FA on his second deal, which will still be cheap...That fee's you up roughly 300...320k after the fact....which can go a long way in re-upping a few key guys, or bringing someone in Rough clacs and all before some u all go jumping down my throat, but thats a way to free up some salary, and shed some older declioning dead weight....and a draft this yr, looking at talent and upside, and not just the way we have been doing it with ST only guys is paramount We could rally boost the roster too if we walk away from a possible 180k+ salary with BO, as we could garner another 100k there filling his role with a first yr import. I am not turning on BO by any stretch but you have to look where bang for buck makes you stronger, and if his asks gets to be too much...It aint worth it anymore GCn20 and Piggy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 15 hours ago, Mike said: The thing people need to remember about a Canadian running back is that they are so few and far between that committing to one as a ratio breaker means you also have to invest the capital in a capable backup as well. Johnny Augustine made 90k last year, probably close to the going rate unless you find a good rookie. Is there a team that is going to invest 300k into a RB1/2? If there is, I hope it’s not us. (obviously you could flip your ratio or dress more than the required amount of Canadians but there’s a cost to that as well) This is actually where they could use the "new" (year old) roster rules to their advantage on offense at receiver/running back. Geebrr, rebusrankin, Piggy 1 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 49 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: Agreed. I was just pointing out that we don't technically need a back up NI RB with the way we've been using the roster lately. You're right that we currently don't but other teams might not have that flexibility so they would potentially need to pay BO and a back-up. Could get very expensive for a team to go that route. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 I wonder if Burmeister is here as a QB. His college career as a QB is about as good as anyone coming up to CFL. wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue In BC Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, bigg jay said: You're right that we currently don't but other teams might not have that flexibility so they would potentially need to pay BO and a back-up. Could get very expensive for a team to go that route. Rosery should be back in TC this year. Whether he is capable of backing up or pushes ahead of Augustine is a TBD. Whether we have Oliveria or Augustine back on the roster is the bigger question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Blue In BC said: Rosery should be back in TC this year. Whether he is capable of backing up or pushes ahead of Augustine is a TBD. Whether we have Oliveria or Augustine back on the roster is the bigger question. So many variables. If Ford comes back, and adds another NAT starter to defence does that make BO less of a priority? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said: Normally this is true, but we've been starting more Canadians than needed the last few years I believe. I meant other teams Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 Just now, Mike said: I meant other teams I think a lot of GMs/coaches around the league treat RB as more of an after thought in their football philosophies. Look at BC, they couldn't care less who they got at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, wbbfan said: It’s all speculation based on talks of wanting to reset the market. Imo, 300k is the absolute max for a wr. And I don’t think we can succeed with 2 WRs at 300k. 200-250max hard money imo is the range. Any thing in that range I keep schoen. If he wants 250-300 I take a long hard look at him vs lawler. Perhaps sign schoen and trade lawler if the market exists for him. going double rookie rb could have a cap hit in the 160k ish range, vs likely 300-350k for Brady and Augustine. That money could buy us an elite dl in free agency. $300k is beyond the max., the contracts of Lewis and Lawler are outliers that skewed the model and fall beyond the bounds of common sense, except in the case of Jones. Every other elite receiver topped out at or below $200k last season, accepting $50-$100k less than Lawler and Lewis. Hatcher, Hollins and Cottoy already re-signed with BC this season at or below $225k, Rhymes signed with the RB's for around $220k, the Elks cut Dunbar at $200k. Hopefully Schoen falls into the norm and doesn't add to the anomaly. Edited January 23 by Fatty Liver rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) Just now, Fatty Liver said: $300k is beyond the max., the contracts of Lewis and Lawler are outliers that skewed the model and fall beyond the bounds of common sense, except in the case of Jones. Every other elite receiver topped out at or below $200k last season, accepting $50-$100k less than Lawler and Lewis. Hatcher, Hollins and Cottoy already re-signed with BC this season at or below of $225k, Rhymes signed with the RB's for around $220k, the Elks cut Dunbar at $200k. Hopefully Schoen falls into the norm and doesn't add to the anomaly. Beggleton too was under 180k....and with a competent QB and scheme dude would light **** up....link for what its worth https://3downnation.com/2023/04/19/the-cfls-20-highest-paid-receivers-for-the-2023-season/ Edited January 23 by Booch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Booch said: Beggleton too was under 180k....and with a competent QB and scheme dude would light **** up....link for what its worth https://3downnation.com/2023/04/19/the-cfls-20-highest-paid-receivers-for-the-2023-season/ The bagel with ZC tossing to him for 180k... we should have totally done that. Shoen, Lawler and Bagel? that is a nice core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegGordo Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 HardCoreBlue, Noeller, rebusrankin and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, Booch said: Beggleton too was under 180k....and with a competent QB and scheme dude would light **** up....link for what its worth https://3downnation.com/2023/04/19/the-cfls-20-highest-paid-receivers-for-the-2023-season/ Agree, I think his health must have limited his ask, he's only played 18 games once in his career. He plays very similar to Demski and their salaries are almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said: Winnipeg Blue Bombers signed three players including WR Keric Wheatfall The Winnipeg Blue Bombers signed wide receivers Keric Wheatfall and Braxton Burmeister, and kicker Jose Borregales on Monday. Keric Wheatfall is six foot two and weighs 194 pounds. The 24-year-old from Cypress, Texas, signed with the Philadelphia Stars (USFL) in 2023 but spent the season on injured reserve. Before Philadelphia, Wheatfall attended the Philadelphia Eagles training camp in 2022. Collegiately, Wheatfall played two seasons at Blinn College (2017-18) with 72 catches for 1,173 yards, seven touchdowns, and seven kick returns for 112 yards in 20 games for the Buccaneers. Then, Wheatfall transferred to Fresno State (2019, 2021) with 55 catches for 923 yards, five touchdowns, two carries for two yards, and one kick return for 35 yards in 23 games for the Bulldogs. Braxton Burmeister is six foot one and weighs 205 pounds. The 25-year-old from La Jolla, California, made two catches for 15 yards in three preseason games for the Los Angeles Rams in 2023. The Rams signed Burmeister as an undrafted free agent in 2023. Collegiately, Burmeister was a quarterback in college. He played two seasons at Oregon (2017-18) completing 49 of 87 passes (56%) for 373 yards, two touchdowns, six interceptions, 71 carries for 131 yards, and three touchdowns in 11 games for the Ducks. Next, Burmeister transferred to Virginia Tech (2020-21) completing 190 of 339 passes (56%) for 2,647 yards, 16 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 163 carries for 703 yards, four touchdowns, one catch for three yards, and one touchdown in 18 games for the Hokies. Then, Burmeister transferred to San Diego State in 2022 completing 34 of 64 passes (53%) for 230 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions, 29 carries for 144 yards, one touchdown, and one catch for 19 yards in eight games for the Aztecs. Jose Borregales is five foot ten and weighs 206 pounds. The 26-year-old from Caracas, Venezuela, converted six of nine field goals (67%) with a long of 52 yards in ten games for the Orlando Guardians (XFL) in 2023. The Guardians drafted Borregales in the first round (5th pick) of Phase 5 of the 2023 XFL Draft. Before Orlando, Borregales signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an undrafted free agent in 2021. Collegiately, Borregales played four seasons at Florida International University (2016-19) making 50 of 66 field goals (75.8%) with a long of 53 yards, making 131 of 134 extra points, 78 kickoffs for 4,695 yards (60.2 AVG), and 40 touchbacks in 39 games for the Panthers. He was a two-time All-Conference USA Honorable Mention. Then, he transferred to Miami in 2020 made 20 of 22 field goals (91%) with a long of 57 yards, and made 37 of 37 extra points (100%) in 11 games for the Hurricanes. He was named First Team All-ACC in 2020. https://www.bgmsportstrax.com/2024/01/22/winnipeg-blue-bombers-signed-three-players-including-wr-keric-wheatfall/ Apart from perhaps the kicker, they sound like training camp bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? Throwing a scare into the holdouts in fa.....Doubt that works BUT you have to know it must cross a few minds...In any event it'll be nice to see how these guys perform ....might have a keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 37 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? They always bring in a ton of wrs. Now if they bring in a fullback.... Booch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 38 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? No. We are losing a minimum of 1 we this off season I'd bet. Need competition for every spot and when you look at bodies on the field at any given time, there are more WR than RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 I ran the numbers awhile ago and a CFL team will need to start 8-12 different receivers in the course of a season. I think that Calgary needed something like 13 in a recent year when they had a real bad run of injuries. You just need a lot of receivers in this league. rebusrankin and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? Probably that Bailey will move in and we need to replace him and add some depth behind the starters and rookie deals help absorb the raise schoen is going to get.... Bigblue204 and rebusrankin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyAbonny Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 For the record, a silly twitter post isn’t going to change the fact that Brady is an outstanding human being. I’m sure everyone can agree there. https://www.thegridironcrew.com/marcus-hillman-2023-pro-prospect-interview/?amp=1 Here’s an interview with Marcus Hillman, one of the latest signings wbbfan, Geebrr, Noeller and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 23 Author Report Share Posted January 23 There is not one person who is MAD at BO (whatever the hell that even means). There were some who didn't love the SoMed post, but even they admitted it's likely a generation gap thing. Most have said that if he wants to try and reset the market for RBs he's welcome to do that somewhere else. wbbfan, Geebrr and JohnnyAbonny 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Should we read anything into the fact that the club has added 6 receivers but only one running back to the roster in the off season? They dress 7 receivers and 2 RB's? johnzo, wbbfan, JCon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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