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There's been a massive clinical global trial, millions and millions (billions probably?) Of shots given and shown to be safe and effective. Covid vaccines show what is capable when There's an urgency to get things done. Conspiracy theorists need to **** off.

This is what drives me crazy. There isn't a medicine on the planet that's safe and effective for everyone. It doesn't happen, has never happened. And likely won't in our lifetime (though AI may change that). Does that mean no one should take it? No. Does it mean they're lying...no. It means that for the vast majority of people, it's fine. But like everything, you may have a reaction to it. Should Tylenol be pulled from the shelves? Should cough meds? Penicillin? Where do we draw the line? The form I've had to fill out for the shots I've gotten have explained this. I'm not sure what else people want? it was not brand new.

Why would you have more faith in this "report" than the other thousands? I mean everything you have posted above has been disproven and explained away. I mean here is the human trials for moderna's shot: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.08.22.23293434v1 Like- these people ******* lie, obfuscate, omit and cherry pick to feed this false narrative... I don't see the appeal of their faux convictions about these conspiracy theories. I get it, Covid sucks- the response while warranted was extreme and broke a lot of people, communities and so on. But man, if you can't recognize fact from manufactured/misplaced rage, I don't know what to tell you. It is good to be skeptical and question the science, good data and sound science thrives on that. It harms the scientific process if you can't accept the findings and where the data points to, because it doesn't fit your narrative or preconceived ideas.

Save your breath. Everything is a conspiracy. It's the most tested, widely used vaccine in history but the anti-science, anti-evidence crowd doesn't care.

If you think you're being clever here and you're cutting thru all the garbly nonsense with truth and cold hard facts, you're not. This is just dumb and dangerous.

This is why it is so frustrating when the offense gets bogged down. It's so bloody stacked there should be no excuses.

The problem I have with our D is gassed is argument is that in the last 2 losses it's the 1Q when the majority of the scoring against our D occurred. We only gave up 7 points to Hammy in the 2nd half.....none in the 4Q. Does a gassed D suddenly get better as the game goes on? I get that at times the D has looked gassed this season, but I am not sure it is a main factor in any loss except for the Ottawa game. Also, the D being gassed tends to coincide with stretches of games that our O is simply not moving the ball. I agree that we need a beefier DL rotation, especially down the stretch, and that it can be problematic. It is not the reason we lost to Hamilton or the LDC though. It was just one of a few problems that the Bombers need to iron out. The main one being coming out and actually showing up ready to match our opponents intensity EVERY game.

basically....first stages of both going titties up....within another yr...2 max....they will be kaput

a) it's tested. thoroughly. there are REAMS of data that support this. I don't understand how you missed all of that data and studies upon studies, upon studies... not to mention the real life data that has poured in from hundreds of MILLIONS of shots... it's not untested. I fail to see why you still argue this point. b) it proven (see above) Sure there are side effects- medicine often does when you have millions of different people with different physiologies taking any medication. Odd point here, but how can you know that there are side effects if it's untested? I honestly would like to know how you can have these two competing ideas be true in your mind. c) it's not a new technology... it's over 60 years old. first discovered in the 60s.

Yup the majority of well trained, well educated, well experienced, well respected Canadian and International experts and specialists in many different areas of science, medicine, ethics etc etc completely dupe people with the word effective and completely gloss over elephant in the room type questions when testing the effectiveness of efficacy of treatment type substances. But only for Covid type ailments. The biggest issue for you is not the science, it's being mandated to do something that requires a choice on your part. I find it completely ironic that some of the same anti-science, anti-evidence people for years have told people that if they don't like our country than get the hell out but now are saying Canada is becoming a third world anti-freedom dictatorship . Are they going to heed their own advice they provide to others who slog this country for other reasons?

yeah...can see all that occurring.....If we can just tweak that defence....roster better and just stick to the offensive game plan that is tried and true and just works against everybody'...we be aight goes hand in hand tho...when we do adjust on defence....it's a lot of times over using the players who...well are good, and they slowly wilt, add in that some games the offence is just stinking out the joint...well then we see what we have got I am a former defensive player, and I can see the fatigue, and the times guys just cant get up and go, or have to kinda coast for plays, because they just need to.....It's obvious and clear to me as anything And our depth guys to help take some of the burden for a lack of a better word are weak to barely adequate....sadly....no team but us rotates and relies on 6 dlineman, where 2 of them, are basically just roster fillers

I really want Demski to hit 1k at home so the crowd can go crazy for him. Brady for 1500 rushing/bomber ni record/ 2k yards from the line, woli could also break his career best mark of 650 this year.

Wildly. Misinformation kills people, period.

On a diff note...Schoen has hit over 1000 yards again....Demski is 69 yards away and amazingly Lawler needs only 380 over last 4 gams to hit that mark as well, and that would be in only 12 games played....and probably have over 30 TD's combined between them...pretty damn good top 3 on a team

That hockey themed jesey with the W we wore at the Banjo Bowl & now other home games as well is not one of my favourites. I like our blue home jerseys a lot. Worst all time. I just remember Jason Vega & Drew Willy looking so unimpressed with them at the unveiling. The team only wore them once & never again. I heard the players refused to wear them again after that single time. No one bought that jersey.

Damn that sucks for him and them.

Which games have we lost because the D couldn't get off the field though? Maybe Ottawa, but offense makes some plays they don't have to be on the field either. Bc was mostly offense dragging it down, sask was the offense, Hamilton the d got better as the game went on the offense got worse.

The DL isn't making any plays because they are totally gassed and that's obvious. There is more than one issue. You need a team effort to overcome when your QB isn't perfect. Collaros can put up a game that someone like Nichols could only dream of and we lose because the D has no ability to get off the field.

Canadas team… to hate. I also hate that 3rd/alternate unis are worn as often as the regular ones. Once on the road once at home max. Why can’t we just have simple nice unis with a league theme, team colours and some team flavour.

You're absolutely correct, especially when you write the bolded part.

Part of O'Shea's success is from the image he projects as a 'hands off' good guy...I have trouble with the suggestion that he'll make any adjustment to the way he coaches....He had the choice in tc to go with a changed approach but remained status quo, for the most part....We see now we have some glaring inefficiencies ....can we change that.....Still not too late as we have brought in a few prospects that IF injected into a game could make a difference....Will we???? A player like Blackmon, who reportedly looks pretty good at practice, should get a shot...we'll see

YEAH.....I hate the team name across the collar bone....looks amateur and stripeless pants too are crap...reminds me too much of practice gear

Literally record breaking

Complacency could be a factor Some folks kinda refuse to believe it at times But really the biggest problem is Zach hasn't been that great. Yeah throws for yards and tds but, he's made more stupid rookie qb mistakes this year also... when the guy who touches the ball every o snap is struggling... Leadership could be a factor The team has come out flat consistently this year. More often than not, the O in particular does **** all for 1.5 quarters sometimes more, the d seems to struggle early also, in hockey I'd put that partially on coaching, so I think it's coaching partially here also, but also on the players who shouldn't need to be motivated by a rah rah speech In games we have lost, Collaros has been real bad. Even in some we won. Not just him but... the O struggles are my biggest concern You can look at Jackson or Thomas or Schmekel or some random dude who plays 2 snaps a game but they aren't why we struggle at times or lose. We lose because our high priced QB looks like a rookie some games

I enjoyed this read, that being said I hope they lose from here on out

2019 playoff run D was far superior to swaggerville.

Lots of relevant questions in here, for sure, but what it highlights is that none of us really know what's going on because we're not in the rooms. We don't know who the decision makers are. Even Booch, who's been closer to this than anyone here, or JBR, who has been a coach at junior level.... don't really know how the decision making process works for THIS particular group. We can all just sit and guess but nobody really knows. Lots of questions, indeed, and zero chance we get any answers any time soon.

I'm concerned that New Era is planning on ditching our regular season home & away jerseys we have now next season since they made the helmet striping change permanent this season. Hoefully, nothing's up. Fans clamoured for years to bring back the old look & colours which they finally did. Message to Wade Miller: Please don't mess with what works. Make it better, if you want. Don't change it.

You'll need to try to stream the game. It's not on CBS SN.

This bye came at a good time. I'm on vacation for the next 2 weekends. Will be on a cruise ship off the Mexican west coast. Hoping to pick up the next game on satellite or hopefully it'll be on at the sports bar.

the bolded part (taxi squad) does date you as a longer tenured fan...love it And agree, and really going into this yr was the yr that we should have had at least 2 under studies working in and along with the starting lineup....That also goes for role players who are strictly just ST'ers...and a few guys should have been released in camp this yr as they are either 1) not gonna be in cogs next yr and beyond (Thomas...Machino...Scmeckle...even go as far to say Briggs) are a few off top my head and just blocking a fresh body of valuable experience and reps, or 2) They just not going to be good enough any more. Doin whole sale moves of a bigger swath next year, which seems likely now is not the way to do it...and why you see some teams go from top dawg...to being a risk to not even make the play-offs in short order ....in almost stunning fashion. Osh for all his success, still is learning and has some pretty significant flaws which it seems he is not willing to address, or maybe doesn't see and I chalk a lot of that up to his stubbornness and in some instances his personal bias's.....example the Nationalized American thing....no reason we don't use it, is because he doesn't agree with it, and likely in the rules committee mtg/vote was on the losing side of the majority Look back to 2019...we made significant moves to address weakness....Brought in ZC...Maston...Taylor and moved BA...all came at the back-end of the season...the majority of it in final 4..5 weeks...and look how it revitalized, and transformed us....it's needed again, but not sure it's gonna....Osh has been here what 9 yrs now?....no reason for these almost rookie type errors and omissions....That excuse no longer will fly

Only if people actually buy the other crap. Remember the ugly jersey urban camo blue we had that one year? No one was running out buying any of those jerseys.

All good. I know how these merged threads work and that you were not responding to me but to PB.

Hamilton has looked ghastly for a decade or more.

A: yes I am aware A: concern me? Not really because I am also aware of the effects of covid and they are worse and more common. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Not my rules. Don’t kill the messenger.

it's not a Bombers pick 'em........ a handful of people don't pick Bombers players every week.

The impact is who is coming up here in the first place.

The being un-prepared is a function of coaching not ensuring everything is addressed, and possibly giving too much leeway on letting the locker room self police....which Osh has said he does, and thats where also some complaceny may have crept in as even tho we are a roster full of legit quality veterans, they have won a lot, and did a lot of easy winning and may have lost their edge a bit...it happens to the best of them.....Osh maybe needs to take a bit more control again and get a good feel for the pulse of things, and also injecting some young hungry blood wouldn't hurt too....not wholesale, but 2 or 3 position shuffles would do wonders, and also put a bit more of a spark into other vets, with now knowing they can be replaced....

The Riders and (this years) Argos look like Div II teams. The league as a whole is mostly better with the uniforms compared to where they were in 2015. The other stuff I’d ditch is A: the peewee league wordmark that every team has across the jersey and B: Put stripes on all the leotards (Hamilton’s in particular)

Is it ok if I decline?

true, true- most Bomber fans can relate. FIFY, so you can speak for yourself.

and in 2019...we made some significant moves and juggling in the back 3rd of the season too....we realized issues then....hopefully this staff realizes them again

YUP...We need to get back to 2019 defensive set up roster wise, as well as insert some hungry players who are earning the spot on the field...not rewarded it

Moving hardrick from guard to tackle and bringing in bond really solidified the ol. We ended up going through a lot of guys between the one guard spot and centre but the rest of the core has had an unprecedented run.

And I would assume the people who greatly scrutinize and place a heavy amount of skepticism around the validity, purpose and composition of these specific vaccines for this virus put the same amount of their energy, vigour and focus into all the medical care treatments they are told to put into their bodies to treat other conditions they may be experiencing and the food/drink they ingest? Yup you know the people who have actually been formally educated and trained in these areas.

I believe it's been mentioned many many times on here, but Canada has some of the most stringent protocols for approving new medicines. It wouldn't get approved for use in this country unless it's been through all the tests. I'll continue to trust the doctors and scientists.

Generalized, but not untrue

A pretty big generalization but I like the quote regardless. " Christianity started in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise.” Rev. Sam Pascoe.