3 turds plus cranky honker don’t say roster management edition

[Atomic]

Collaros and the Bombers will probably bounce back this week against Toronto and then go tra la la on their merry way pretending these two games never happened until they get smoked by Calgary again on August 9

[Tracker]

3 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Collaros and the Bombers will probably bounce back this week against Toronto and then go tra la la on their merry way pretending these two games never happened until they get smoked by Calgary again on August 9

So..... if they get beaten in Toronto, we are realistically looking at a four game losing streak and the PA stadium will be draped in black.

[17to85]

20 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Collaros and the Bombers will probably bounce back this week against Toronto and then go tra la la on their merry way pretending these two games never happened until they get smoked by Calgary again on August 9

Well i thought they'd bounce back after a bye against the team that **** kicked them before... instead they pooped their pants so expect nothing.

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Gross. I'd rather ride or die with streveler and mush brain zach than suffer through faj as starter.

Yeah I don’t think we could or would ever. Feels like we are destined to struggle sooner than later at qb. With out the odd flashes of 350 yards 4 tds and cruise control in the late 3rd.

I am hopeful, strevy will step up as a starter when the time comes. 
 

2 hours ago, bearpants said:

probably too early to say... but maybe we gotta hope Elgersma ends up being the real (CFL) deal...

I look forward to seeing him in cfl action. I expect him to be a year plus behind the average us arm. 
 

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

Honestly if I absolutely had to, I'd take MBT long before Jesus Sprinkles. Woof... What a Sophie's Choice.

with Jackson I think he could put up numbers. I like him less than Faj between the ears. And I think you need a great D to win consistently with him. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

6 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

 

Strev didn't 'lose like 15 yards' either - really irrelevant addition.

 

Relevant because if it's 2018 or 2019 he's got a walk in TD because he can beat the angle (like you mentioned).  Now he gets run down before he's even anywhere near the sideline.  He needs to recognize that he can't change direction at all and apply that in his decision making/timing for everything because it's different now post-injury.  Super duper ******* relevant if you're putting together a gameplan for the guy because he's not a threat anymore on scrambles or rollouts, called QB runs other than maybe a draw up the gut.

Edited 19 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[Booch]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Well i thought they'd bounce back after a bye against the team that **** kicked them before... instead they pooped their pants so expect nothing.

crapped them worse than the first game really....

[Fatty Liver]

11 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Relevant because if it's 2018 or 2019 he's got a walk in TD because he can beat the angle (like you mentioned).  Now he gets run down before he's even anywhere near the sideline.  He needs to recognize that he can't change direction at all and apply that in his decision making/timing for everything because it's different now post-injury.  Super duper ******* relevant if you're putting together a gameplan for the guy because he's not a threat anymore on scrambles or rollouts, called QB runs other than maybe a draw up the gut.

Other team's fans used to call Strev a glorified running back, but he really hasn't busted off a great run since he returned last season.

[ShyGuy]

47 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Other team's fans used to call Strev a glorified running back, but he really hasn't busted off a great run since he returned last season.

I think I almost prefer Wilson as the short yardage back at this point... that play they run where he creeps along the LoS and getting over the edge they sometimes run seems like a better plan than always pushing forward for 1.5 yards... it worked nice in the West Finals and it almost broke against the Stamps at one point.

[wbbfan]

50 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Other team's fans used to call Strev a glorified running back, but he really hasn't busted off a great run since he returned last season.

He's never been a home run-hitting big run guy. His career YPC is 4.9, and his longest each year to date is 29, 38, 27 and 10 yards. Which isnt too far off zachs first few years in the league. Even Fajardo has 1 30+ yard run in his career. 

Despite the field size, we don't see monster qb runs to often up here. The nature of defences takes away those lanes and adds depth layers vs the NFL. Where as if Lamar jackson out runs the pursuit angle and beats one guy hes gone for 40 yards and a td. 

Strevy was also used under buck and plop like a FB. The amount of designed runs he had that where counter, wide, outside, off tackle etc, very few out side of the odd off guard short yardage push. 

[Stickem]

It would help Streve's game IF he had someone to throw to.....besides Demski and the odd toss to Wheatfall.....Our passing game is suffering big time since Kenny departed......I hope we don't see any more 'ducks' thrown near our goal line, that resulted in a quick six walk-in...Streve has to play smarter and use his running ability in certain situations.......Looks like Zack will be back in TO but I'd like to see Chris inserted more than he has been up till now, when Collaros is starting...if nothing else for a change of pace

[17to85]

31 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Wheatfall.....Our passing game is suffering big time since Kenny departed.....

Or passing game was suffering with Kenny last year too. Basically ever since summer 2 seasons ago the offense has been Brady dragging everyone along with him. 

[Booch]

18 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Or passing game was suffering with Kenny last year too. Basically ever since summer 2 seasons ago the offense has been Brady dragging everyone along with him. 

it's been suffering for 2 seasons...and 2 main reasons....QB....scheme/gameplan and lack of any adjustments and now factor in personnel for reason 3

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

He's never been a home run-hitting big run guy. His career YPC is 4.9, and his longest each year to date is 29, 38, 27 and 10 yards. Which isnt too far off zachs first few years in the league. Even Fajardo has 1 30+ yard run in his career. 

Despite the field size, we don't see monster qb runs to often up here. The nature of defences takes away those lanes and adds depth layers vs the NFL. Where as if Lamar jackson out runs the pursuit angle and beats one guy hes gone for 40 yards and a td. 

Strevy was also used under buck and plop like a FB. The amount of designed runs he had that where counter, wide, outside, off tackle etc, very few out side of the odd off guard short yardage push. 

It doesn't have to cover 70 yds. or end in a TD to be considered a great run, in his first 2 seasons in Wpg. I fondly remember him breaking through into the secondary and rumbling for a few 15-20 yd. beauties.  Those brutal runs + a fur coat is what his legend was built upon.

[Mark H.]

26 minutes ago, Booch said:

it's been suffering for 2 seasons...and 2 main reasons....QB....scheme/gameplan and lack of any adjustments and now factor in personnel for reason 3

Exactly. Other than the a few games where ZC connected on several deep shots, this has been our O. When an opposing D can limit the downfield stuff, it's not pretty

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:

It doesn't have to cover 70 yds. or end in a TD to be considered a great run, in his first 2 seasons in Wpg. I fondly remember him breaking through into the secondary and rumbling for a few 15-20 yd. beauties.  Those brutal runs + a fur coat is what his legend was built upon.

Still 8 runs in 2 years of 20 or more. That also accounts for 204 of his 305 carries. 

 If we gave him more usage as a runner, with better-designed run plays, I think he would do a lot better. He isn't an option runner and never has been. I don't think running option helps him. I've seen him struggle to make the right read and clean hand-offs. As have all our QBs, we might not have the right people to coach run option or maybe we just need a lot more practice. Read options for QB runs take a lot to get working smoothly. RPOs are demanding and massive time investments. 

He is 30 now, though, and with a couple of injuries. I don't think in general its a great idea to target runs to the secondary with qbs, but especially not at that age plus. 

I think the key to succesful designed QB runs up here is aiming for the side line, or delays into seams then sliding early once past the first down marker.

For strevy, I think we need more play action sprint outs. RPO instead of double option runs. Put him in a spot where he throws an easy pass to a few crossers, has the back as a check down, and if the D overpursues, he can hit a cutback lane for a run. Also, a pin and pull type play with out a hand off option, primarily reading a WR and his gap for a quick screen, with a QB power option if the D overextends again. You can work back in a shovel-type play or release pass to the RB. This would have to be offset by running pin and pull handing off and throwing it. 

Wide zone and outside zone run schemes also leave more open for a mobile QB. tite and inside zone run schemes for running qbs only work well with twitchy make you miss in space qbs. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Still 8 runs in 2 years of 20 or more. That also accounts for 204 of his 305 carries. 

 If we gave him more usage as a runner, with better-designed run plays, I think he would do a lot better. He isn't an option runner and never has been. I don't think running option helps him. I've seen him struggle to make the right read and clean hand-offs. As have all our QBs, we might not have the right people to coach run option or maybe we just need a lot more practice. Read options for QB runs take a lot to get working smoothly. RPOs are demanding and massive time investments. 

He is 30 now, though, and with a couple of injuries. I don't think in general its a great idea to target runs to the secondary with qbs, but especially not at that age plus. 

I think the key to succesful designed QB runs up here is aiming for the side line, or delays into seams then sliding early once past the first down marker.

For strevy, I think we need more play action sprint outs. RPO instead of double option runs. Put him in a spot where he throws an easy pass to a few crossers, has the back as a check down, and if the D overpursues, he can hit a cutback lane for a run. Also, a pin and pull type play with out a hand off option, primarily reading a WR and his gap for a quick screen, with a QB power option if the D overextends again. You can work back in a shovel-type play or release pass to the RB. This would have to be offset by running pin and pull handing off and throwing it. 

Wide zone and outside zone run schemes also leave more open for a mobile QB. tite and inside zone run schemes for running qbs only work well with twitchy make you miss in space qbs. 

Show him clips of how AC played and do that. 🙂

[johnzo]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

For strevy, I think we need more play action sprint outs. RPO instead of double option runs. 

it seems like Strev is having trouble making plays while moving laterally ... he really slows down when he's rolling out with his eyes downfield, and is an easy kill for pursuit.  I guess the point is that the play action freezes the pursuit and gives him the extra time he needs?

[GCn20]

On 2025-07-19 at 4:20 AM, do or die said:

1.    3 pick 6's and an interception on the goal line.   Thats 28 points....in a two game series. Veteran QB's just can't do this stuff.

2.  Bonds is officially the opposition's go-to-guy in the secondary......get him the hell, out of there.

3.  Still running out dudes like Kola and Thomas....who simply can't get it done.

DHM

Willie Jefferson.....milk carton candidate 

Bridges was awful both games as well.

On 2025-07-19 at 8:30 AM, Slimy Sculpin said:

Three guys who didn't play well....hmmm, throw a dart at a roster sheet but here are three who come to mind:

#9 Bridges: He was picked on all night. The Calgary receivers tower over our D-backs.

#17 Streveler: Will he ever be ready to take the controls? I'm leaning towards No. After that pick 6, I expected Wilson to take the helm but alas no such luck.

#95 Thomas: Well, he was out there and he's Canadian. Anytime I see two of our Canadians on the D-line, I give my head a shake.

There are plenty of (dis)honourable mentions but they are too many to list.

And a 👎 to our coaching staff. The team was ill-prepared for the Stamps. Our coordinators might be in over their heads.

P.S. After a couple of years of Sheahan's punts, I still don't get it.

 

He could be 6'9 and he still would have been torched because he likes to stop and look back far too early.

On 2025-07-19 at 10:21 AM, JuranBoldenRules said:

The tough guy routine from him is very tiresome.  Make a damn play, be aggressive at the line of scrimmage, getting after QB.  How many times a game does a RB blow right past him and he bricks his feet, maybe waves his arm as the guy goes by.

Would be a very easy message sending veteran cut IMO.

Not easy at all when we have absolutely nothing behind him.

[GCn20]

On 2025-07-19 at 1:59 PM, JohnnyAbonny said:

Honestly, I think there’s a couple different angles that show Walter’s and co were the ones that truly ****** this up. 
 

We were good because A: The front office went balls deep in FA over 2016-19. Harris, Prime (or close to it) Bighill and Jefferson, Rose, etc 

Also did a good job bringing in spare parts from other teams who had value (Nick Taylor, Darby, Maston) which we don’t really do anymore. 

B: We had guys from the Rigmaiden/Craig Smith pipeline coming through until 2021. (Lawler, Jeffcoat, Alford, Nichols to name a few.)

Not sure if it lines up exactly with Rigmaiden leaving but the American scouting started to drop a dook after 2022 and never really recovered. We just kept letting good players walk and replacing them with nothing and nobody. 

The DT spot is a microcosm. Let Stove walk, replace with slightly worse Sayles. Let Sayles walk, replace with slightly worse Ricky Walker, let him go and so on. 

Drafting has generally sucked too. No real impact players over the last 4 seasons. Now we just draft maybe 1 OL, a slower WR or 2 and a bunch of Jessie Briggs reincarnations per year. 

Yep, hard to blame the HC for a lack of depth, poor recruitment, and poor retention. Lots of ppl yapping on here about how great the next guy up is....until he plays and then it's pretty easy to figure out that the old vet in front of him may be washed up but is still our better option. Talent has disappeared out the door. That's a GM problem. I think Walters time might be up. His drafting has been awful as well. Our coaching problems are not who is on the field, that's a GM job, our coaching problem is in our game planning, adjustments in game, preparation, and motivation. All 4 get a big fat F grade the last two games. All of Walters, scouts, and coaching staff seem to have gotten a little too comfortable with the status quo. A shake up is needed if we don't show marked improvement. I would personally recommend that we fire Walters, but if the decision is to get rid of MOS so be it.

Edited 3 hours ago by GCn20

[17to85]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Yep, hard to blame the HC for a lack of depth, poor recruitment, and poor retention.

Actually it's super easy! Barely and inconvenience!

Our head coach uses his game day roster like **** a lotnof the times. So many times they dress guys who hardly take any snaps or in some cases don't even take any. Guys are  other held accountable and don't make way for the depth to step up unless injury forces it. 

 

Honestly I've got more time for Walters than I do O'Shea right now. Better use of the players he does have would make a big difference in how games go.

[Booch]

39 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Actually it's super easy! Barely and inconvenience!

Our head coach uses his game day roster like **** a lotnof the times. So many times they dress guys who hardly take any snaps or in some cases don't even take any. Guys are  other held accountable and don't make way for the depth to step up unless injury forces it. 

 

Honestly I've got more time for Walters than I do O'Shea right now. Better use of the players he does have would make a big difference in how games go.

Same thoughts...lack of depth and retention is on HC....Guys wont wanna stay...and its happened....recruitment has been fine but when none get a chance it's easy to lay blame on the G.M....We had a scout leave us for this very reason

Cant say next guy is up is better....but how would you know....not know when the HC refuses to play them....and we had way better athletes and players in camp we got rid of....some buried on PR/IR and people can argue the point all they want that they must not be soley cause Dear Leader hasn't rostered them....and thats just false...I strongly feel his eye for talent is poor, and if guys like Thomsd...Korn...Kolo...Schmeck...Kramdi...TJones...Bridges..Sterns....Case....Punter...lesser extent Wilson....Hallett....Gauthier...is what he feels is top notch then yeah sadly we in a very bad spot and it's all Osh as at end of day he decides the roster....and puts the guys out there....

Same with game day decisions...player sets...play calls...etc.......who do you think has 80% control of that...HC....Why you think he has his play card he is constantly looking at....referring to....reading off of as he covers his yap with it so not to be lip read.....he's dictating who/what he wants out there for most part...dependant on time...down/distance.....situ.....and his coord will try to best facilitate it....If people here think he is not controlling any of that in-game you are sadly wrong....thats not how it goes...Co-ord may put his defensive system together for most part....but it's for the HC to use........fact

Edited 1 hour ago by Booch

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, johnzo said:

it seems like Strev is having trouble making plays while moving laterally ... he really slows down when he's rolling out with his eyes downfield, and is an easy kill for pursuit.  I guess the point is that the play action freezes the pursuit and gives him the extra time he needs?

Our WRs aren’t doing well in scramble drill no matter who is at qb. 
 Hes buying as much time as you get on a roll out. But we have none of what we used to get from schoen breaking off routes and going in the right direction. 

 Pa gets the D moving one way and gives the WRs a chance to time a break for easy separation and it’s an easy toss to a db stretching the field side to side. 
 

 

[rebusrankin]

I'm not happy with the job either MOS or KW has done.

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Our WRs aren’t doing well in scramble drill no matter who is at qb. 
 Hes buying as much time as you get on a roll out. But we have none of what we used to get from schoen breaking off routes and going in the right direction. 

 Pa gets the D moving one way and gives the WRs a chance to time a break for easy separation and it’s an easy toss to a db stretching the field side to side. 
 

 

Or what Lawler and Woli gave on scrambles...that's huge...3 guys who feasted on that gone and not replaced 

Demski can only do so much and teams will sit on him to bait ZC...we already have seen a ton of that last 2 yrs

Clercius is learning but it's on the fly so hes gonna have hiccups...like the Pick at goaline

And as we have nobody else who offers any threat it's pretty easy to take Wheatfall away as hes still learning on the fly too

We are pretty handcuffed on offence...self imposed too...a guy who could help us is Mitchell as he knows where to go...sit down...recognizes when to break off a route but we using this excuse he isnt good inside..well time to coach players and scheme things to have things work...you can catch...get open...run...a pro team will find your spot...and if they can't then there is big issues

 

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I'm not happy with the job either MOS or KW has done.

11 yrs...long time..things get stale and stop working...especially when you don't wanna believe it and change how you go about your business...after the last 2 losses there should be multiple changes..maybe a shift in who's getting reps too...and almost dumbing things down in some regards to perfect it...then install more...we are our own worst enemies...we being coaching and management