Guest J5V Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 3:46 PM, Mike said: That's quite honestly the most unreasonable thing anyone has said on this forum in a long time. It doesn't speak volumes, you're just looking for something that isn't there and stomping your feet about it. Nonsense. The elephant in any room that KW is in, is the Oline. In 3 years he has done next to nothing to fix it (Picard, Keeping...) whilst his franchise player takes a well-documented beating. I know it and KW knows it. To deny it is what's unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 What do you call drafting Goosen and Chung? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 3:47 PM, comedygeek said: You act like Kyle Walters hasn't talked about the need to continue to improve the Oline this offseason. He has. Just because in one interview he didn't answer a question about Drew Willy with a detour into where he thinks the Oline has improved, doesn't mean he isn't thinking about it and doesn't even mean he hasn't talked about it. He has. It's clearly a concern. Iso made a really good point about scouting and I feel for KW because I think the scouting department has let him down. Other teams seem to do much better when it comes to finding good players. I fear that KW is one atrocious sack away from being fired if he doesn't do more to improve that Oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jpan85 said: What do you call drafting Goosen and Chung? Looking to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 36 minutes ago, J5V said: Looking to the future. Chungh started all of last season and Goossen started at the end of the season - the future is now. Fred C Dobbs, MOBomberFan and SPuDS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) The problem with Chungh is I believe he has NFL aspirations or may want to play elsewhere in the CFL. Ever since we drafted him I have heard stories we'll lose the guy after this season. Any thoughts? It is so incredibly hard to build an OL with 4 Canadian starters. I think the way to go is find 3 quality American offensive linemen & start 2 Canadians. keep drafting the Canadian OL but let them develop on the PR & when they're ready to play you bring them in as starters. I think more & more CFL teams will go this route. But scouting? That topic has been discussed here & they have to bring in better players. Edited April 19, 2016 by iso_55 DR. CFL and rebusrankin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 2 hours ago, J5V said: Nonsense. The elephant in any room that KW is in, is the Oline. In 3 years he has done next to nothing to fix it (Picard, Keeping...) whilst his franchise player takes a well-documented beating. I know it and KW knows it. To deny it is what's unreasonable. ... you're trying to turn "he didn't bring it up in the answer to an entirely unrelated question" into "he denied it" That's what makes it so ridiculous. Bigblue204, SPuDS and comedygeek 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) I disagree with the thought that he's done nothing to fix the oline. That's bs also imo. He's drafted Goossen. He drafted Chungh. He signed Bryant as a free agent. Bring up Keeping but he's a pretty solid guy to have... he doesn't suck and he brings leadership. Say what you want but he traded for Neufeld. So to say he's done nothing is BS. What more could he do really? Not many legit all stars oline make it to free agency. A couple did and he signed one (Bryant) Picard? 1 year stop gap until goose was ready... goose looked good the last few games. Picard released. Takes drafting to build your oline and he's drafted 2 of our starters. Signed 1 via free agency and traded for one. 4 of our 6 starters maybe all 5 depending on the tackle spot.... he brought in. 6 of 6 If you count keeping. Oline is a issue but to say he's done nothing.... that's BS Edited April 19, 2016 by Goalie WBBFanWest, Bigblue204, SPuDS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I agree that Walters has tried to build an OL but like I said doing it with just Canadians is a long & trying process as we've found out. I hope that somehow we can hang on to Chungh & re-sign him after this season. He would be the guy you'd build a line around long term. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Mike said: ... you're trying to turn "he didn't bring it up in the answer to an entirely unrelated question" into "he denied it" That's what makes it so ridiculous. Try reading what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Goalie said: I disagree with the thought that he's done nothing to fix the oline. That's bs also imo. He's drafted Goossen. He drafted Chungh. He signed Bryant as a free agent. Bring up Keeping but he's a pretty solid guy to have... he doesn't suck and he brings leadership. Say what you want but he traded for Neufeld. So to say he's done nothing is BS. What more could he do really? Not many legit all stars oline make it to free agency. A couple did and he signed one (Bryant) Picard? 1 year stop gap until goose was ready... goose looked good the last few games. Picard released. Takes drafting to build your oline and he's drafted 2 of our starters. Signed 1 via free agency and traded for one. 4 of our 6 starters maybe all 5 depending on the tackle spot.... he brought in. 6 of 6 If you count keeping. Oline is a issue but to say he's done nothing.... that's BS What's BS is to deny that during KW's tenure the Bomber Oline has sucked. Can't protect the QB and can't open holes for the running backs. I never said he's done nothing but Bryant wasn't good last year. Picard was a disaster. Chungh whiffed on blocks and Goosen isn't there yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 12 hours ago, iso_55 said: I agree that Walters has tried to build an OL but like I said doing it with just Canadians is a long & trying process as we've found out. I hope that somehow we can hang on to Chungh & re-sign him after this season. He would be the guy you'd build a line around long term. Here's how good Kirk Penton thinks the Oline is that Walters has built ... "The pricey off-season additions of left tackle Stanley Bryant and centre Dominic Picard didn't get the intended outcome, which was a playoff spot. Willy got hurt taking hits twice before his season-ender, and the Bombers still haven't found a right tackle. Paddy Neufeld had a solid season at three positions, and Sukh Chungh had a decent rookie campaign at right guard. There didn't appear to be much difference with Matthias Goossen at centre when Picard got hurt. Winnipeg gave up 12 fewer sacks than the franchise worst 71 it surrendered in 2014, but 59 is still way too many. Plus, the second worst rushing average per carry indicates there is still a ton of work to do at this position in the off-season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 15 hours ago, Jacquie said: Chungh started all of last season and Goossen started at the end of the season - the future is now. Awesome, so we're all set then. Let's see how this works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 hour ago, J5V said: Awesome, so we're all set then. Let's see how this works out. Don't be obtuse. We were talking specifically about Chungh and Goossen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 2 hours ago, J5V said: Try reading what I said. Try reading literally anything. It seems to be a weak point for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 2 hours ago, J5V said: Here's how good Kirk Penton thinks the Oline is that Walters has built ... "The pricey off-season additions of left tackle Stanley Bryant and centre Dominic Picard didn't get the intended outcome, which was a playoff spot. Willy got hurt taking hits twice before his season-ender, and the Bombers still haven't found a right tackle. Paddy Neufeld had a solid season at three positions, and Sukh Chungh had a decent rookie campaign at right guard. There didn't appear to be much difference with Matthias Goossen at centre when Picard got hurt. Winnipeg gave up 12 fewer sacks than the franchise worst 71 it surrendered in 2014, but 59 is still way too many. Plus, the second worst rushing average per carry indicates there is still a ton of work to do at this position in the off-season." No offense, because while Kirk Penton is a solid reporter, his ability to judge the performance of an OL is about as good as mine or yours. Which is to say, not very good. Bigblue204, SPuDS, TrueBlue and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 18 hours ago, J5V said: Nonsense. The elephant in any room that KW is in, is the Oline. In 3 years he has done next to nothing to fix it (Picard, Keeping...) whilst his franchise player takes a well-documented beating. I know it and KW knows it. To deny it is what's unreasonable. 2 hours ago, J5V said: What's BS is to deny that during KW's tenure the Bomber Oline has sucked. Can't protect the QB and can't open holes for the running backs. I never said he's done nothing but Bryant wasn't good last year. Picard was a disaster. Chungh whiffed on blocks and Goosen isn't there yet either. hmmmm... Bigblue204, Blue and Goldfish, bigg jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 19 hours ago, J5V said: "He so desperately wants to make a play every single snap that he puts himself in jeopardy from time to time. He needs to understand that sometimes punting on third down is not a bad thing." -- KW Quote the relevant part. sweep the leg, Bigblue204 and bearpants 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 This is getting just getting sad. Can we move on from J5V and actually talk about something relevant blitzmore, SPuDS, sweep the leg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 6 hours ago, bearpants said: hmmmm... mind... blownt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) On 4/19/2016 at 3:08 PM, Goalie said: I disagree with the thought that he's done nothing to fix the oline. That's bs also imo. He's drafted Goossen. He drafted Chungh. He signed Bryant as a free agent. Bring up Keeping but he's a pretty solid guy to have... he doesn't suck and he brings leadership. Say what you want but he traded for Neufeld. ... also signed three legit ratio changers as free agents in the past two years, guys who will give us a lot more flexibility to start internationals on the OL. Edited April 20, 2016 by johnzo SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 11 hours ago, J5V said: There didn't appear to be much difference with Matthias Goossen at centre when Picard got hurt. Not qualified to judge how the two of them compare as blockers or line captains but we sure lost a ton of hang time on the shotgun snaps when we went with Goossen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon37 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Total fluff piece and the KW fans are all over it. Walters/Chevy comparison is a joke. NHL and CFL are very different beasts. It can take years to build a strong team in the NHL. In the CFL it should take no more than two years to turn it around. Staying good takes years though. KW hasn't done anymore or less than anyone else since 2009 for the OL. He has signed a few decent players lost a starter or two and the net sum is the line is still the worst in the league. KW also fails to notice that the nastiest coaches have won the majority of the games in the last few years. Not many of them throw specific players under the bus but they do hold general areas publicly accountable. We have had nothing but nice, professional coaches since 2010 and exactly one playoff appearance in that time. While KW is building a block at time the rest of the league has already finished their block towers and and moved on to bigger and better times. TBURGESS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Oh, is it time for your biweekly drive by already? SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon37 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mr Dee said: Oh, is it time for your biweekly drive by already? It wouldn't matter if I posted every day or once a year. Unless one doesn't say that KW and the other two stooges are the greatest you are going to pull your bullying tactics. KW talks a good game. Talk is cheap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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