3 turds plus cranky honker don’t say roster management edition

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

It was for ZC too

Id stack the box vs us with that receiving group too...and yeah part of its a challenge to Strev...but Goodluck with that group...none can get open

Our offence with either qb struggles to deal with pressure. We don’t set up well for timing deep shots (we need 5+ second pockets) and we don’t have good quick passing plays. We don’t even attack the mid depth of 15-25 well.
 Outs, crossers, and hooks, with all the targets in the same relative level of depth across the field. over and over again. Defences don’t even get out of their back pedal. They sit and read the qb and rally to the ball, which is constantly short of first down yardage any way. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Our offence with either qb struggles to deal with pressure. We don’t set up well for timing deep shots (we need 5+ second pockets) and we don’t have good quick passing plays. We don’t even attack the mid depth of 15-25 well.
 Outs, crossers, and hooks, with all the targets in the same relative level of depth across the field. over and over again. Defences don’t even get out of their back pedal. They sit and read the qb and rally to the ball, which is constantly short of first down yardage any way. 

And force us into way too many 2nd and longs

[17to85]

People were skeptical of the OC hire, nothing seems to have alleviated those concerns 

[Goalie]

People were skeptical of the QBs also. A dude who has no accuracy coming off a major injury and an injured collaros?? Who would have thought. 
 

Streveler isn’t a starting CFL QB. I’m not sure he’s a capable backup anymore. Right now the guy with the most potential is Artopoeous. Pretty obvious Wilson is just here to dive in to piles. 
 

I could see why they signed Zach. Cuz the guys behind him are terrible. Collaros was at his best when Dru was here pushing him. Now he’s struggling. Prob cuz Streveler and Wilson aren’t pushing him. Dru did. I know Strev is the golden goose here but that was several years ago now and dude has literally done nothing since or before really. People remember he was the starter before Zach right. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Goalie

[Brandon]

22 minutes ago, Goalie said:

People were skeptical of the QBs also. A dude who has no accuracy coming off a major injury and an injured collaros?? Who would have thought. 
 

Streveler isn’t a starting CFL QB. I’m not sure he’s a capable backup anymore. Right now the guy with the most potential is Artopoeous. Pretty obvious Wilson is just here to dive in to piles. 
 

I could see why they signed Zach. Cuz the guys behind him are terrible. Collaros was at his best when Dru was here pushing him. Now he’s struggling. Prob cuz Streveler and Wilson aren’t pushing him. Dru did. I know Strev is the golden goose here but that was several years ago now and dude has literally done nothing since or before really. People remember he was the starter before Zach right. 

Strev has out played Zach this season and has higher upside and has a much smaller salary.    Zach was terrible last season as well.     Zach is pushing himself out of a job. 

[rebusrankin]

In the last three games, 28 out of Streveler's 44 completions were for 9 yards or less. Another 5 were for 10-12 yards. I'm not sure that you can be a successful starting QB when almost two thirds of your completions are short passes and 75% are for 12 yards or less.

[Goalie]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

Strev has out played Zach this season and has higher upside and has a much smaller salary.    Zach was terrible last season as well.     Zach is pushing himself out of a job. 

Ya man passing for 160 yards is really showing Zach. Streveler had 1 good half in the first game. Since then every chance he’s got, he’s sucked. Oh wow he made 1 throw. Dude throws for the length of the field. He’s Matt Nichols but without accuracy cuz both can’t run. You are remembering the Streveler in the fur coat and the grey cup 5 years ago. He’s not that guy anymore. It’s obvious he can’t move and can’t accurately pass a ball over 8 yards.  Zach and Streveler have similar numbers. High completion percentage. Less TDs than picks.  Why you pretending the O did anything against Toronto. 
 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Goalie

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

In the last three games, 28 out of Streveler's 44 completions were for 9 yards or less. Another 5 were for 10-12 yards. I'm not sure that you can be a successful starting QB when almost two thirds of your completions are short passes and 75% are for 12 yards or less.

Nichols post injured arm survived on passes like that.   

 

32 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Ya man passing for 160 yards is really showing Zach. Streveler had 1 good half in the first game. Since then every chance he’s got, he’s sucked. Oh wow he made 1 throw. Dude throws for the length of the field. He’s Matt Nichols but without accuracy cuz both can’t run. You are remembering the Streveler in the fur coat and the grey cup 5 years ago. He’s not that guy anymore. It’s obvious he can’t move and can’t accurately pass a ball over 8 yards.  Zach and Streveler have similar numbers. High completion percentage. Less TDs than picks.  Why you pretending the O did anything against Toronto. 
 

 

What is Zach's winning % this season compared to Strev?    Zach's salary vs performance has to be the worst in this league this season.    I'd take Strev/Wilson or anyone else over Zach at $600 000.      Zach has had a full season last year and multiple games this year to show that he's done and he isn't coming back... Strev has had 2 starts and won them both.   Why not give him a chance and see what he can do.   

[rebusrankin]

Nichols also had a 3-1 TD/INT ratio in 2019, Streveler has thrown more Interceptions than TDs in his two starts. Not the same.

We had the same discussion in 2019 about Streveler and whether he could be a starting QB, nothing has changed. 

BTW in 2019, 8 games started, 1482 passing yards, 7 TD passes, 11 Interceptions, 3-5 record as a starting. Not that much different is it?

Edited 5 hours ago by rebusrankin

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Nichols post injured arm survived on passes like that.   

 

 

Nichols never played another down for the Bombers after he injured his shoulder.

The only other significant CFL injuries he had was a broken leg and torn ACL with Edmonton, knee injury here to start 2018.

[wbbfan]

18 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Nichols also had a 3-1 TD/INT ratio in 2019, Streveler has thrown more Interceptions than TDs in his two starts. Not the same.

We had the same discussion in 2019 about Streveler and whether he could be a starting QB, nothing has changed. 

BTW in 2019, 8 games started, 1482 passing yards, 7 TD passes, 11 Interceptions, 3-5 record as a starting. Not that much different is it?

Nichols also had medlock kicking 6fgs a game, an all time defence and ol, and still got boed off the field, then his replacement lead to two back to back QBs. Horrible red zone percentages, league leading 2 and outs in O etc. 
 Not really an aiming point. 
 

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Ya man passing for 160 yards is really showing Zach. Streveler had 1 good half in the first game. Since then every chance he’s got, he’s sucked. Oh wow he made 1 throw. Dude throws for the length of the field. He’s Matt Nichols but without accuracy cuz both can’t run. You are remembering the Streveler in the fur coat and the grey cup 5 years ago. He’s not that guy anymore. It’s obvious he can’t move and can’t accurately pass a ball over 8 yards.  Zach and Streveler have similar numbers. High completion percentage. Less TDs than picks.  Why you pretending the O did anything against Toronto. 
 

 

zachs had 1 good half this year in 5 starts.  
 I mean you could count zachs good half’s of football on one hand going back to late 2023. 
 I wonder how many picks Zach has this year in fg range and how many went for pick 6s. Gotta be averaging taking more than 1 score off the board a game with just picks. 
 Streveler isn’t the same guy he was. That’s true. At the same time, we don’t need the guy he was back. We need him to do what he’s doing, but do it better. 
 He has been better than zach this year. 
 

95 pass attempts as compared to 124. 2 starts to 5. Good half to good half. The difference is when strevy is not on, we punt a lot. When zach is not on, he’s running us off the field and out of games. 
 

We need strevy to get the ball out quicker, speed up the offence and decision making process. Chris has showed he can accurately hit passes all over with in the flow of the offence. Zach can hit moon shots out of the blue, but we don’t need strevy to do that. And we can’t get zach to run tempo or ball control passing game plans, and we can’t win when he isn’t clicking on deep balls. And while he can hit them at random, he can’t hit them at will any more. 
 

it’s not a great position to make a decision either way. But with one guy you have the ability to limit damage, and improve. You don’t have that with zach. And we should be turning over every stone looking for a vet to bring in. 
Each week should be a battle for the starting spot. And the hook can be liberal for either guy. 
 

But none of that will happen. We will run with zach till he can barely stand and hold the ball. Little on throw. 

[rebusrankin]

Oh I'm not advocating that Collaros is a great option, I just don't see it with Streveler. Its the same issues we've discussed since 2018. Can he pass well enough consistently? Is he progressing through his reads? Etc. This is now the same thing and people here have blamed Lapo, Buck and now Hogan and cite the well he lasted in the NFL, where the same questions were raised. Perhaps a guy who is 30 and in his eighth pro season is who he is going to be.

[Goalie]

Yeah. I’m not a big Zach guy but he’s our best option by far and it’s not close. I wanted Streveler to be more than he is but he is that guy who throws for 160 most games and does throw more picks than TDS. What made him great was his ability to run ppl over and run by them. He can’t do that currently. I was In the keep Dru (Willy) Brown camp. He’s being destroyed like Willy was behind a crap oline. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Goalie

[17to85]

53 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Yeah. I’m not a big Zach guy but he’s our best option by far and it’s not close

Disagree and that is not a not a big rah rah streveler statement.  Collaros has been ass other than a few random deep shots.