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14 hours ago, J5V said:

Since the majority of you are in Manitoba have any of you seen or heard from Dr. Joel Kettner? He is an Associate Professor at the University of Manitoba. He was interviewed by Global in early March and had some interesting comments. Listen particularly to what he says near the end of this piece regarding the flu and Covid-19. It might set some of us a little more at ease.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6630957/manitoba-former-health-chief-covid-19-cases/

Couple things:

1. This video was posted March 4, 2020 - our first official case wasn't reported until March 12. Things have changed since then.

2. Yes, it will infect a small proportion of the population, however if I can do my part to make sure the retiree neighbors I live next to, my mom (who is in the high-risk age bracket), and my daughter (who is under 2) are less susceptible to contract the disease, I'm going to do it.

3. Although it is true that only about 2% of people who contract it die, close to about 6% end up getting serious symptoms and hospitalized.

End of day, am I scared? For myself? No, my daughter and mom? Yep... It's not a question of being optimistic, it's the fact that if everyone does their civic duty- we can help minimize the impact of this disease. As for the "we should focus on the flu" argument, you still wouldn't do irrational things if you had that either - if you did have the flu you wouldn't go to some random long-term care home and start voluntarily sneezing on senior citizens either just because you aren't afraid.

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Church and State merging together like a well oiled machine. 

Trump Cabinet Bible Teacher Blames Coronavirus Pandemic on God’s Wrath — Somehow It Involves China, Gay People, and Environmentalists

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-cabinet-bible-studies-coronavirus/

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The Drollinger-led Bible study meets every Wednesday morning with members of Trump’s cabinet, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, and Health Secretary Alex Azar. Carson and Azar, notably, are members of the coronavirus task force guiding the federal government response to the pandemic.

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At least 52 GOP lawmakers also participate in a Capitol Hill version of Drollinger’s Bible study, which meets on Tuesdays and Thursdays.  Vice President Mike Pence, a member of the task force and a listed host of Capitol Ministries, is also tied to the Bible study.

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Drollinger’s study guides have provided biblical justification for the Trump administration’s undocumented immigrant child separation policies and arguments in favor of lower taxes on the wealthy.

Checked out Drollinger's Capitol Ministries Members Bible Study (link in article)  The acolytes are listed on the front page, right hand side.  

This administration is far more whacked out...., that even I though possible. 
Tremendously Scary.

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4 hours ago, J5V said:

It was 3 weeks ago, only 1 week before the WHO declared the pandemic.

And a week later the same guy is saying H1N1 was a cakewalk compared to this.  This situation is changing so rapidly, that 3 weeks is a lifetime ago.

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"I didn’t have to make those tough decisions in H1N1. It looks like that might have been a cakewalk, compared to what's happening now."

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/coronavirus/public-has-power-in-fight-against-covid-19-568785772.html

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And then there's this assbag: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid19-winnipeg-tea-1.5508703

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In an email blast to clients last week, Guojian Huang, an acupuncture therapist and specialist in traditional Chinese medicine, said drinking a blend of six herbs in a tea over six days would keep people safe.

"COVID-19 is here.… So is herb tea to prevent COVID-19," said the email, which was sent March 18.

It told clients of the acupuncture clinic to "order your coronavirus prevention tea now." 

So sick of **** humans like this.

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11 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

And then there's this assbag: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid19-winnipeg-tea-1.5508703

So sick of **** humans like this.

Since this whole thing started in China, you'd think they would have used this tea to stop it before it got out of hand...

 

Yes, I realized that he's full of crap.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/6735064/coronavirus-militarizing-canada-us-border/

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American government officials inside Donald Trump’s White House are actively discussing putting troops near the Canadian borders in light of U.S. border security concerns around the coronavirus pandemic...

Any militarization on or near the Canadian border would be a stark departure from traditional relations between the two countries as the Canadian-US border has traditionally been recognized as one of the longest non-militarized borders in the world

 

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19 hours ago, J5V said:

Obscure? It's right there in front of your nose on Globals website.

1-999? Holy hyperbole! There are many experts saying exactly what Mr. Kettner is saying and some of them are saying it much more strongly. It appears people like you choose to ignore them. Why is that? Doesn't feed into the hype machine? Not good click-bait? 

Since these brilliant people have dedicated their lives to the public good and have risen to the top of their fields and are doctors and academics and not politicians, at least give me some good arguments that disprove what they're saying. Maybe then you can convince me to dismiss them too.

I did this already in the CFL thread when you started spouting off words like "hype" and "hyperbole". But here it is again (note that this was written last Saturday night):

Here are numbers from Johns Hopkins’ website, which along with the WHO is a reputable site for accurate reporting (according to medical professionals and health experts who are on the front lines of dealing with this - full disclosure, I am married to one of those health professionals in this Province). Remember a couple of weeks back when Trump said they had 5 cases in the USA and would be at zero by April? Well four days ago they had 9,000 cases and 130 deaths. Three days ago it was 12,000 and 155 or so deaths. Two days ago it jumped to 14,250 and 205 deaths. Yesterday it was 19,000 and 260. As of now it is 25,500 cases and 307 deaths. That progression is the problem. Numbers are artificially low as well since there isn’t full testing yet. So cases are climbing at a rate of around 33% daily now and deaths are jumping at a rate of around 25%. Italy was at 3,000 deaths two days ago and are now at 4,800. That’s a 60% jump in two days. They had 41,000 cases yesterday and 58,000 today. So first of all, spare me the “flu has many more deaths than this in a year” BS. We are basically two weeks into the exponential growth stage. Extrapolate over a year without the “hype and overreaction” of locking down cities and guess where we end up? At a 30% progression rate, in one week from today the US has gone from 25,500 cases to 166,000. Fortunately the US death rate is about 1.3% of all cases, not the global rate of around 3.5-4 %, or Italy’s 8.5%, so we are talking “only” 2,150 dead next week, so yeah a 700% increase in one week. Canada is doing slightly better per capita, but the growth is similar. Or we can all quarantine and hope to slow those numbers.

The video was posted on March 4, as has been pointed out. Of course the numbers were much lower then. What he was saying wasn't wrong on that day, but he was not factoring in the growth of the virus in his answer. Trump was saying in that week that they had 15 cases, soon to be zero, which seems to be the line of thinking you are following. We can see just how completely wrong he was saying that  looking at where we are at today. My point was that the progression, left unchecked by ignoring social distancing recommendations, was going to overwhelm the system. You call it hyperbole to predict this massive influx of cases. Well, let's look at where the numbers have gone since last Saturday night. From Saturday night until last night, we have seen:

Cases jump daily from 25,500 to 36,000 to 52,000 to 69,000 as of Wednesday night (all numbers from Johns Hopkins website if you want the source)

Deaths jump from 307 to 424 to 700 to 932 as of Wednesday night.

So my prediction of a daily 30% increase has held up. These are raw numbers. Not conjecture. Not hyperbole. And this despite people already taking some social distancing measures. The effects of it to flatten the curve won't be seen for a few weeks since the cases are already in the system and you can be symptom-free for a couple of days and have it and spread it. Trump wants to open up the US again in 2 weeks. That will negate any effect to socially distance, and the numbers will keep rising.

If the numbers start to taper off from the 30% daily rate, my guess is that it won't solely be due to the virus slowing down but rather that the testing won't keep up. So if we fall short of the 166,000 cases reported by this coming Saturday night, I'd be more confident saying that it is because they just didn't do testing for every person who actually has it rather than the virus is dying off.

As a comparison, here is the progression in Canada since March 12 up to yesterday:

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Are you starting to get the picture now?

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28 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Because Canadians are so desperate to go to the US?  Or he wants to stop Americans from fleeing his regime? Lol 

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20 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Because Canadians are so desperate to go to the US?  Or he wants to stop Americans from fleeing his regime? Lol 

Trump wants to change the name to the Chinese or "Wuhan virus" but is receiving push back, one confirmed case of a border-jumper being infected and he'll scapegoat us by branding it the "Canadian virus"!

It's all about pointing the finger outward.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/g-7-failed-to-agree-on-statement-after-u-s-insisted-on-calling-coronavirus-outbreak-wuhan-virus?video_autoplay=true

 

Personally I still feel terrible that we were responsible for 9-11.

Edited by Throw Long Bannatyne

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1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

This will only ramp up fear in the US and is an attempt by Trump and co. to look like they are doing something significant to halt the pandemic. He is expecting that this will make his supporters believe (probably rightly) that Trump has their best interests at heart. Far from it. Trump has made a career out of doing whatever it takes to survive the next 24 hours and to him, the past and future are equally irrelevant. Therefore, he does not need to concern himself with consequences. As dire as things are in New York and Los Angeles, the panic will come when the pandemic explodes next in Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi. This is in the heartland of Trump support and the most vulnerable.

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It doesn't actually matter how deadly Covid-19 is... I think the rate is much lower than reported because we test only the severely ill - i.e. the flu's death rate would be much higher if we did the same

The problem is that boomer's already overloaded our health care system and on top of that, the supplies we need come from the states and not a chance the States helps us out now.

Cities need to be locked down - it is a population density problem...  rural Canada should for the most part be fine - but widespread panic will start once a large number of New Yorkers die.

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59 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

As good a time as any to return the Bank of Canada to it's original purpose.  If not now than probably never.

 

Restore the use of the Bank of Canada to its original purpose, by exercising its public statutory duty and responsibility. That purpose includes making interest-free loans to the municipal/provincial/federal governments for ‘human capital’ expenditures (education, health, other social services) and/or infrastructure expenditures.

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/the-bank-of-canada-should-be-reinstated-to-its-original-mandated-purposes

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Trump cronies now sending out cease and desist letters for ads claiming Trump did not say what he said on tape in front of people, or in tweets that were tweeted, if the Democrats can't defeat this foot in mouth fool they should disband the party

Edited by bustamente

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