17to85 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: He’s the guy that polls the best against trump. Bernie won’t win against trump. It’s not about which policies you like the best. It’s who can win. Bernie can’t. Or at least seems unlikely to. Id rather it be Warren. But Biden is better than Bernie. I've seen polls showing bernie polls best vs. Trump. Biden is a worse candidate than hillary. Mark my words if the Democrats insist on trying to play the moderate hand it will backfire. The republicans are fighting a war, you need some extreme opposition. That's what the people want. CodyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Chris Mathews quits on air tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, 17to85 said: I've seen polls showing bernie polls best vs. Trump. Biden is a worse candidate than hillary. Mark my words if the Democrats insist on trying to play the moderate hand it will backfire. The republicans are fighting a war, you need some extreme opposition. That's what the people want. Everyone wants those things until they realize what it costs. If it was someone like Harris or even AOC I’d say let’s do it. Bernie can’t win the age debate. He can’t win the health debate. He’s in trouble when the debate turns to foreign policy. He’s in trouble when it comes to a debate about things the candidates said years ago. He’s had issues with treatment of staffers. Biden isn’t the best option either. He’s way better than Bernie. Warren is the ideal candidate. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Everyone wants those things until they realize what it costs And what does it cost? More than the regressive policies are already costing? It might cost billionaires.... but they're a teenie tiny minority. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: And what does it cost? More than the regressive policies are already costing? It might cost billionaires.... but they're a teenie tiny minority. Well if you look at what Bernie bases his socialism on, I believe it was Sweden, it didn’t work out so well for them. I’m all for it and the US isn’t Sweden but trump will fear monger like crazy. And I’m not sure middle America will embrace Bernie and the “risk” of socialism. It’s still America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Trump runs trillion dollar deficit. That's Repub. socialism. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Trump runs trillion dollar deficit. That's Repub. socialism. He handed out welfare to the uber rich. Rich white folk can have socialism. Poor people of colour get arrested. Rinse, repeat. Banana Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, JCon said: He handed out welfare to the uber rich. Rich white folk can have socialism. Poor people of colour get arrested. Rinse, repeat. Banana Republic. don't forget farmers. He torpedoed them in the free market but then good old american socialism for them after that. Here's the thing, all Trump does is fearmonger. Doesn't matter who the opponent is. So that's why it doesn't matter what Bernie is. Bernie is great at connecting with the voters and making them believe. That's what is needed not some republican-lite middle ground bullshit candidate. Someone who can inspire people is more important than appealing to the the middle ground. Wanna-B-Fanboy and JCon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Imagine being this stupid. People have to talk to him like he’s a child. blue_gold_84 and bustamente 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, JCon said: He handed out welfare to the uber rich. Rich white folk can have socialism. Poor people of colour get arrested. Rinse, repeat. Banana Republic. I'm a bit out of touch but are a lot of Asians and Middle Eastern folks being arrested down south? I'm pretty sure a tonne of white trash is also being arrested. Edited March 3, 2020 by Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 14 hours ago, 17to85 said: I've seen polls showing bernie polls best vs. Trump. Biden is a worse candidate than hillary. Mark my words if the Democrats insist on trying to play the moderate hand it will backfire. The republicans are fighting a war, you need some extreme opposition. That's what the people want. The advantage that Biden has over Clinton is that Joe is eminently likeable. Clinton, for whatever reason is someone who just rubbed people the wrong way. We can now see who she really is and it really isn't that bad. I'm going to make the comparison with Harper and Trudeau: people just wanted to take a break from the anger and othering that Harper brought to the table and chose the least harmless option. The masses aren't necessarily that bright when it comes to knowing policy or how ideologies impact policies, but they do know when something doesn't feel right. I'm pretty sure any one of the remaining top 4 candidates can beat Trump. The candidate doesn't have to be the one waging war, but the surrogates need to be on their game. JCon, The Unknown Poster and blue_gold_84 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 hours ago, Zontar said: "Biden can barely complete a sentence. Voted for the Iraq war and continues to lie about it. Had to flee new hampshire on the day of the primary because he did so poorly.Claims Putin is running the US government. The Dem establishment is absolutely nuts" Well we know who this guy thinks has the best chance of beating trump haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 hours ago, Zontar said: "Biden can barely complete a sentence. Voted for the Iraq war and continues to lie about it. Had to flee new hampshire on the day of the primary because he did so poorly.Claims Putin is running the US government. The Dem establishment is absolutely nuts" Yeah, about that: "We've been working very well together on drugs and on trafficking -- beyond drugs, trafficking and drugs, and trafficking and lots of other things. Unfortunately, human trafficking, which has become a very big problem. Tonight, I'll be going -- as you know, we'll be going to North Carolina. We have a big rally scheduled, and that should be, I think, terrific." -Donald Trump I can find 100 examples of the great orator that are just as incomprehensible. blue_gold_84 and bb.king 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Wideleft said: The advantage that Biden has over Clinton is that Joe is eminently likeable. Clinton, for whatever reason is someone who just rubbed people the wrong way. We can now see who she really is and it really isn't that bad. I'm going to make the comparison with Harper and Trudeau: people just wanted to take a break from the anger and othering that Harper brought to the table and chose the least harmless option. The masses aren't necessarily that bright when it comes to knowing policy or how ideologies impact policies, but they do know when something doesn't feel right. I'm pretty sure any one of the remaining top 4 candidates can beat Trump. The candidate doesn't have to be the one waging war, but the surrogates need to be on their game. I think it was the cnn show race for the whitehouse that detailed the Obama election where certain Hilary staff felt she was very likeable but was being portrayed by the campaign as “tough”. She actually has a lot of the same traits as Bill. She’s funny, charming. Comes across as caring. But people always saw her as a mean b-word. Biden might be the most vanilla choice but it’s probably the safest. He’s been fully vetted which is why trump has to manufacture a fake scandal. He’s likeable. He has experience. He’s seen as an extension of Obama to a degree. Even his faux pas’s are seen more as hokey or grandfatherly. He’s a great contest to trump and will drive him nuts in debates. I still think Warren is the ideal candidate. Bernie could ride a wave of socialism to a big victory but that’s not the obvious outcome. Biden wins big barring a health crises, surprising scandal or massive cheating. His VP is a big choice though. Biden will be seen as a one term president. His VP can’t just be someone who helps deliver certain votes. They will be seen as the president in waiting. That’s my only concern with Harris. Anyone that lost so early just seems like a loser. And trump could try to diminish Biden by saying look this guy is old and dull and a vote for him is a vote for his VP...and she’s a loser. Mayor Pete is an intriguing choice. But I do think you have to exhaust all female candidates first. He needs young. Preferably female. Harris probably is ideal other than flaming out so quickly. Young but not too young. Tough but not a B. Smart. Looks good. Experienced. Fantasy booking this thing. Biden/Harris win. In 2024 Biden retires. Harris/Pete ticket wins big. 2032 Pete/Chelsea wins big Joe Kennedy will get some looks eventually too. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 I think you're being a little unfair to Harris, but otherwise agree. Her performances is Senate hearings are something to behold. Also keep an eye on Katie Porter in future elections. She's a Warren disciple and has her stuff totally together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacklewasher Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Wideleft said: The candidate doesn't have to be the one waging war, but the surrogates need to be on their game. This. The candidate should stand on their policy and not engage in mud slinging, while those left behind should be burying Trump in his own ****. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 If Biden is the nominee, the VP slot needs to provide help with what he lacks and where he needs it: Passion Articulation Aggression - willing to be attack dog on the election trail. (Still think a feisty woman candidate is the way to go here). Biden can then cruise "above the fray" and simply provide the experienced and nice guy/reassurance as a Trump antidote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Wideleft said: Yeah, about that: "We've been working very well together on drugs and on trafficking -- beyond drugs, trafficking and drugs, and trafficking and lots of other things. Unfortunately, human trafficking, which has become a very big problem. Tonight, I'll be going -- as you know, we'll be going to North Carolina. We have a big rally scheduled, and that should be, I think, terrific." -Donald Trump I can find 100 examples of the great orator that are just as incomprehensible. Hamberders, covfefe, smocking, Tim Apple, infantroopen... Just a handful of the top of my head. Trump berating others for misspeaking is like Mr. Magoo taking shots at the blind. Wideleft and bb.king 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Wideleft said: I think you're being a little unfair to Harris, but otherwise agree. Her performances is Senate hearings are something to behold. Also keep an eye on Katie Porter in future elections. She's a Warren disciple and has her stuff totally together. I’m a huge Harris fan. She was my pick form day one actually. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, do or die said: If Biden is the nominee, the VP slot needs to provide help with what he lacks and where he needs it: Passion Articulation Aggression - willing to be attack dog on the election trail. (Still think a feisty woman candidate is the way to go here). Biden can then cruise "above the fray" and simply provide the experienced and nice guy/reassurance as a Trump antidote Sounds like Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said: Hamberders, covfefe, smocking, Tim Apple, infantroopen... Just a handful of the top of my head. Trump berating others for misspeaking is like Mr. Magoo taking shots at the blind. Have run this before, but always a good reminder of how incoherent Trump is. Edited March 3, 2020 by TrueBlue4ever Wideleft, blue_gold_84, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Have run this before, but always a good reminder of how incoherent Trump is. I love this segment- it rings so true. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) Trump's mangling of the language is just he's mostly a horrible off the cuff public speaker. Doesnt value preparedness and polish. Biden's is border line senile if not dementia. The grind of nomination process is nothing compared to that of a presidential campaign and debates. He's already like Grandpa Simpson and will only get worse. It's going to be pitiful and humiliating. The party is a complete disaster and will rue the day it scared away quality moderates with loopy identity politics and flirting with far leftism. Too late to turn the car around. Senile old careerist or old pseudo bolshevick revolutionary. What a choice. Edited March 3, 2020 by Zontar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Not hard to figure out the Trump crisis playbook - whatever happens, you can pretty well count on: Bullying (shooting messengers, in his own administration, who embarrass or merely contradict him)Deflections (blame the Fed, Immigrants, Democrats, Media et al.)Spinning (especially whacked out conspiracy theories)Lying (about virtually everything at anytime, anywhere)Bombast dismissing serious issues (“hoax”, “witch hunt”, "Presidential harassment") Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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