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Its just a flesh wound

no one will get a shot at qb as long as zach has a pulse and a contract

I watched the presser. My takeaways were different from some of what I read on the board. Walters all but admitted it’s time for a rebuild and set the bar high for this year by saying it can be done quickly. No pay cut for Zach, but that’s partly due to how bad the supports were around him, he said. That suggests there will be hard conversations about the OC, receivers and Oline. He even admitted the Bombers squeaked out some wins despite playing bad football. Only quality wins were over B.C. and Hamilton. That suggests he has his eyes open. The entire organization under achieved this year, except for maybe Vaval and Carol in the ticket office.. It sounds like this season stung the people in charge and course correction is ahead. We will see.

This season the offense was on the entire organization. Walters signed that high priced receiver from Edmonton & Osh barely played him. Damn, at one point we had Chris Streveler playing wideout on a bum knee. We signed Dalton Schoen & he never should have seen the fie;d this season. He was cooked by O'Shea playing him on a torn ACL. Zach was then handec an OC who was the worst in the CFL & now it looks like he'll be back again. We have the worst starting CEnter in the CFL & the OL suffers because of it. I can't blame Collaros. I thin k it's more 65/35 Bombers seem to have become a somewhat dysfunctional organization. If you heard the comments from both Osh & Walters. More of the same coming in 2026.

When Osh played ,what side of the ball did he play? In what universe does that make him an "offensive" mind???

Maybe I'm optimistic but there is reason to believe that it isn't business and usual for next season. This is the first time I've heard O'Shea talk about not having done a good enough job coaching especially the offense. Both O'Shea and Walters realize that last year was a step back and that's also something they have never admitted in previous seasons. (usually all we hear is how this team has great leadership and they will figure it out) Walters stated that they needed to do a better job of surrounding Zac with talent, another indicator of change (he also talked about how it's easier to revamp your team with all the one year contracts being the norm for most teams)

Well, Zach's under contract for another year. What's he supposed to do? Cut him? That'll end well for us. The reality is he's going to be our guy for atleast another season, because there's nobody waiting in the wings. Hands are tied. Yes that's the fault of Walters As far as him not changing the way we do things. I could be mistaken but isn't that taken out of context? I thought he was referring to the way he communicates with players in the off season (response to Lawler and bighill) I got the overall impression changes were coming. Perhaps I've misconstrued it, or perhaps you did. Only time will tell

not really the viibe i got...saying ZC earned his 600k salary...when asked about his last 2 sessons and 17 td/15 and 16 pick seasons.....said he showed glimpses...like wtf Also...we not gonna change the way we do things....thats super psoitive considering the way they been doing it has us nose diving 4 straight yrs.... Lots of deflection...excuses...non-answers really in my opinion...and we all know how Osh goes about stuff...and the "not changing the way we do things" comment...more the same Interesting part was his comment about almost heated argumwnts/yelling discussions about player type stuff....kinda confirms Osh pouts and put up a fuss when he didnt like Walters take on certain things....thats gotta change in a biiiiiiig way...He dont like it...Osh can eff off FIFO right?...

Collaros cant play forever, and even O’Shea with his Collaros loving tinted glasses can see he is in decline. The end is near and we have NOBODY in the pipeline other than Elgersma. He wil be given EVERY opportunity to succeed and then some. He is a blue chip prospect.

Is there such thing as a rebuild in the CFL when 6 of 9 teams make the playoffs and most contracts are extremely short? Roster turnover is huge across the league.

Yup, Osh said that in his presser after the playoff loss to Montreal as per Paul Friesen's story here. Someone quoted the same story it was discussed here. Osh said he didn't believe a rebuild is needed. He hoped that wouldn't happen. He just thought a tweaking was needed. Read the article. https://winnipegsun.com/sports/fix-the-offence-bombers-collaros-oliveira-got-osheas-attention

Will Zach realize his limits and adjust his style of play?

Hall has been coaching in the cfl for 30 years and isn’t an offensive mind. Ourstaff has more than enough experience with this game to know how dismal our play and game plan was last year. And yet it didn’t help us a tiny bit. No reason to think they will start effectively micro managing the O with success. We’ve seen the same mistakes from staff to office, repeated over years all with crushing season ends. We’ve heard all the talk of change, and how we know what we need to do. The only thing that will give reasonable hope that next year will be different, is action. Idc if mos/walters came out and said jake/kola/hogan etc cost us, or pointed at every single failing and said all the right things for plans to actually fix the issues. Only actions matter now.

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Our soldiers will be fighting in the Ukraine soon. In this country fishing season lasts 12 months a years. Catch & release.

What then... does Osh see in Kola & Thomas??? I think anyone who thinks Walters & Osh have suddenly found God will be very disappointed. Expect the same old, same old.

I really don't see this. One of Osh's biggest strengths is seeing what the best version of a player could be. When I first saw Kramdi I wondered what he was doing on the field, but Osh saw what he could be and then he ended up fulfilling that potential.

I thought Walters was pretty firm in his desire for change in the presser. A lot of acknowledgement and dissapointment. I suspect change is coming. Basically said hey this is a turning point and it's time for us to wake up

Given O'Shea's track record and my cynicism about him, I expect that if Elgersma does make it up here and does not kiss the ring, O'Shea will give him minimum training camp reps, trot him out in for a brief stint in pre-season games, pronounce him as "not ready" and maroon him on the bench.

Yeah, we really need to get Elgersma up here. He is our future at QB IMO. Another Rourke in the making.

Also said "change way we do things...no"..."ZC has earned his 600k salary coming up...ZC still showed flashes" ...id say i not hopeful...same ol same ol Still looking back...think they doing stuff right...call me worried Yea...at least he admitted a lot of our wins were basically for lack better terms....smoke and mirrors and couldn't beat top QB'S My gut says...expect more the same

Walters calling this a turning point for a new era has me hopeful that running it back is out of the question this year.

Our BB coaches/management are smart people, I think it's more stubbornness, confirmation bias, blind spots and loyalty all working together here. We are all guilty of doing these things in our lives (some more than others) btw but still doesn't give them an out here.

Ahhhhhh heading into the game we were tied in points.

What frustrates me (doesn’t take much) around these parts with some is the argument implying and/or saying we didn’t have the options like TO had here. Our options were actually not options so stop complaining there was nothing MOS could have done other than going with ZC. ?????

We have seen that scenario way too many times, especially in the last few years, 2022 - MBT is struggling and the Argos turn to Chad Kelly. 2024 - Chad Kelly get hurt in the Eastern Final and Argos turn to Nick Arbuckle.

And you can maybe excuse them for playing collaros in 2022 with the bum ankle.... but leaving him in when he couldn't grip the ball in 2024... just inexcusable. And dressing 3 hurt receivers and a hurt bighill in 2023 is just inexcusable.

Difference here was TW was not wrecked, he was a 100% healthy QB. So if the mentality is you have a 100% healthy QB at your disposal that you absolutely will not utilize even if your starting QB is playing at 50% there is something amiss here and deserves scrutiny not just at the coaching level but at the management/scouting levels. And it doesn't mean we hate MOS.

2022 Cup loss...a nobody inexperienced QB....a rookie for that matter came into game...and beat us...the heavy favorite..and he came in cause Dinwiddie saw they needed to make a change....not even really injury as Looney Tunes coulda still played....you dont know until you know....and a reason we have failed....ZC hurt 2 Cups....One cup 3 receivers were pointless....Biggie playing in another for no reason at all.....But we have all these starter quality backups but wouldnt trust them in the game.....piss poor coaching and that cant be denied At least Dolegala had league experience...got wins as a starter....all he needed to do was manage the game....get good coaching in the game....rely on our bread and butter...BO.....but nope....

13 years of coaching

Yeah but..........IF he comes up ,wil Osh give him a shot???