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I think this most recent convo/debate on current CFL QB’s Like Crum, Powell, Ford, Maier etc emphasis again how desperately we need an infusion of premium QB’s in this league.

Why not give him a chance coaching before we judge him? I mean yeah as a player he needed to be gone earlier than he was... but pluggers becoming coaches is a tale as old as time.

For me, it's nothing personal against Jake The Person. I know that he's is a nice guy. I'd probably like him if I ever met him. Unfortunately, it has everything to do with Jake The Player & now Jake The Coach. Thomas was given the starting DT position for years much to the detriment of the team. Starting Thomas blocked development for younger guys who needed to play.. When he did play, it usually was sub standard & not up to the level we needed. Now he's been given the DL coaching position by the same head coach who has been gifting him everything for years. Hard not to see the entitlement. That's on Osh for creating that stigma.

Last checked in to this thread in early December, saw that the number one topic was Jake Thomas. Now I come back end of January....looks like I didn't miss anything...lol...

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Always 2 there are, a master and and apprentice

I thought it was Sam Hurl?

Who said he never earned the coaching job? The man who has watched him work his job every day for nearly a decade? Or the grumpy senior citizen who watches him on TV but has a mean streak and a keyboard?

His inability to even get into the OLs pads before the ball was thrown on passing downs. Being one of the very worst DTs in the league against the run and the pass for a couple of years. He couldn't get off blocks, even against centres, didn't demand a double team, and couldn't block a rush lane or pass rush. Usage made him worse, and made it more obvious. But the drop off in his play was one of the steepest I've ever seen. 2021, Jake was overplayed and used suboptimally for a good chunk of the year. But that was one of the best defences of the era, and when Stove got healthy, he was unblockable in the pass rush and a true 2 gap nose, allowing Jake to go back to a more ideal 3tech. 2022 Jake was burning out in games earlier and earlier while slogging through more and more reps. He would have a handful of good plays a season, and largely relied on cleaning up after others blew up plays or the O screwed up big time. 2023 Jake was permanently blown up and unable to impose any kind of disruption to the pass or run game at all. He benefited from others' disruption in 22/23, which was the latest his instincts and football iq could carry his body. I mean, that is still 5 very good years at one of the rarer positions for a Canadian to perform at in that time. For a guy who started with mediocre at best athleticism, and who was run into the ground, that is pretty good. But it doesn't take much to earn the waste-of-space stigma. Especially at one of the most valuable positions on the football field. come back in one year and it will repeat lol

Westerman, Randle, and Legette. Three guys that transformed our D.

Everyone should be given the chance to prove him/her self in any given field...I don't care about 'stigma's or labels attached to individuals...The most important thing to me is 'will/can they be able to actually perform well at the position...The proof will be all out there for Jake when the season commences....jury is out on him...like it is for every individual....Good luck to him in his new job with the team...I along with most Bomber fans will be watching intently....

Rheda Kramdi is out of the dog house?

didn't everyone get the memo? Kyrie Wilson is the forum whipping boy now.

He may very well be a shitty coach too. There's always a flip side. He never earned that position. He was given it. I guess I'm tired of the entitlement this team has for Osh favourites. I'd have preferred Thomas go coach junior or CIS & gain experience. Maybe move up to DC & then come back to the CFL in 5-7 years

I don’t think many people here consider ford a legitimate qb. We’ve seen him handed a team several times in multiple situations with talent around him and he just floundered. I don’t think you give up on that guy entirely, But I think he needs to provide strong value and hedge his roster spot vs an american. It’s not hard at all to find a comparable running talent at qb to ford down south. 5200 yards, 16 tds 16 ints 3 years 53 games 7.8 ypa 4651 yards, 29 TDS 19 ints, 4 years 60 games 8.7 ypa Then you add fords rushing yards, it’s pretty lopsided in fords favor. But ford has been handed the starting spot 3 times, and hand better talent around him. Crum fell into starts in awful situations. Crum never had as good a co as fords worst. And awful rb talent. comparable wrs, ol prett similar too. If I had to pick one i’d take ford, but that’s also based on being able to use him in other roles and as a gimmick guy. I wouldn’t bet on ford becoming a regular starting qb. The list of available qbs is beyond ugly this year. Powell is the guy i’d want. after that it’s fliers on guys like evans, maier, and ford. Then you have the pitiful remains of mbts career, and an even uglier pile of scrap heap guys. Even at that, I’d have no interest in maier.

yeah, i mean i love what jake brought here for 5 years. Im hoping for the best for him as a coach.

I like Crum but wouldn't want him either. If Powell were to shake loose tho.

Wow, people would actually pick Crum? Based on Crum-backs a few years ago, I guess. Give Ford an offence suited to his abilities (2 reads & run or ride and decide) & don't try to turn him into a pocket passer. Let him do what he does well and reduce the number of dropbacks and reads he has to do. He would be at least as successful as Streveler, although that's a pretty low bar.

Westerman was huge for us. He doesn’t get enough credit for his role in turning the club around.

It was only ever about usage... He was a perfectly serviceable player, but being asked to do way too much in recent years.

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I mostly agree. usage kicked off his down fall, and that stigma shouldn’t follow him as a coach, but it will for a bit, I don’t think it’ll be long.

absolutely. combine that with the over the hill gang most of the league is starting does the same. if some thing drastic doesn’t happen fast, it’s going to be second tier spring league offences we see each week

The waste of space stigma while he was a player was totally earned, though not entirely his fault. However, it seems to have carried on into people's objections to him coaching and that is what I was talking about. Some are writing him off as a coach and the guy hasn't coached a game yet. They are translating his last few years as a player as if it directly correlates to how good of a coach he might be. I believe that is unfair. Why would you not want your HC to pick a guy he believes will do well and that he can work with? HC's always pick their favorites amongst guys they are familiar with, to become their coordinators and position coaches. That's not entitlement.

Powell is FAR superior to Ford. This isn't even debatable.

Ford is a gifted athlete, and from all reports, intelligent. Demski is built like a runningback so it should be doable, and Demski, once he has the ball, moves like a runningback. On pitch-outs, if Ford is a danger to chuck the ball with velocity and accuracy (ALA Tricky-**** Thornton), that ought to give DBs fits.

There should be no stigma. Direct your disdain for his usage where it belongs. He may very well be an excellent DL coach but many here are writing him off simply because of his name and that is over the top.

Ms. O'Hara was a national treasure, full stop.

Oh, lighten up. There's no hate there. A joke for sure, but no hate. Thomas has been handed his starting job at DT & now a coaching position by Osh. The feeling is he is entitled as he never quite earned it with his play. Especially the past 3 or 4 years. Hence the bad one liners. The fans aren't stupid. They're a lot smarter then the coaches & managers think they are. They can see what is going on. With that damned coaches cap, the Bombers can bring in Thomas with no coaching experience & not pay him what an experienced DL coach might make. CFL teams can only have up to 11 assisitants. Which means prior to the cap, Thomas could have been a defensive assistant under an experienced pro coach as we'd have had the flexibility to hire another coach. Now, he has to take it on all by himself for the Bombers to adhere to that cap with just 11 assistants. Seems we hire 10 to save more money, anyway.

Tre Ford & it's not even close.

I agree. I'd add that he has completely earned the stigma and bias against him. But I think the floor is very high for a replacement, given how we have struggled to coach and develop talent on the DL. The verdict is out on Jake as a coach, but I am not really worrying about him.

sigh....Culkin's tribute just broke my heart

Dustin Crum....& it's close-