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Honestly have never seen Wilson enter a game (regular or pre-season) and look like anything but a raw rookie. He did well on short yardage, couple big runs. His preseason games have all been a series of being indecisive in the pocket, check downs and sacks. Low floor with not much ceiling. Was pretty surprised he was brought back for a third camp but still on rookie deal.

She called Paul Friesen "vile and souless" lol. He is...........

omg, I had just read her reply to one of my comments, but she is going ham on everyone. Fans, media, the organization. She called Paul Friesen "vile and souless" lol.

That's the thing, after this long Wilson has had some opportunity and he's never seized it. Got no-one to blame but himself. Bailing without even giving it a go in preseason is just 10 ply soft.

Just like Noeller

Because Elgersma is miles better than Wilson. Facts. What's the Twitter handle? Asking for a friend....

To talk away the day before a game because you didn't like the depth chart is just all kinds of weak sauce .

The way you talk about players is so weird, especially for a guy who has been fairly open about how they don’t think their son got a fair shot during their collegiate career. You don’t think these men exhibit character or leadership? Why? Because they appear to have made a personal choice based on how they want to run their life? I don’t understand why you choose to continually project your wants and desires as a fan of a sports franchise onto these guys who are literally just quitting a job. That’s all it is for them. This doesn’t have to be “they don’t have the character to persevere through a rough patch”, this literally could (and likely is) as simple as “they don’t wanna get paid a low salary to be far away from their families when they could earn equivalent or better back home” (PS not too torn up Wilson left, I think he was option number 4 at this point anyways and I like that it forces the team’s hand to NOT go with the established player)

Finally, we have the first pre-season game! LFG Both games are on CFL+, no regular TSN this year. Position battles to watch; DB, (22)Burrell, and (37)Texada lead this race through camp so far. (41) Williams isn't far behind. It will also be a big pre-season for (26)Woodbey and (0) Allen, who showed strong flashes last year but are fighting an uphill battle for AR spots. Bonus, the Canadians are having a tough battle as well (7)Stuart, (29)Ball, (16)Kelly are all fighting for a chance to play. Kelly needs to sustain some high-level play, as Ball has been a strong overachiever, and Stuart has tremendous attributes. (36)Javier is a sleeper pick as well. He spent time on the Riders' PR, played pre-season in the NFL, and had a knack for big plays in college to go with great size. (13)Addison, a former WR convert who immediately produced at DB, has incredible size and is another big-play college guy to watch. DL, (90)Dixon, and (54)Jenkins are front-runners at DE, (35)Bailey, and (43)Gatkuoth have high hopes to provide us meaningful reps from the depth chart. 95(Hooper) is a depth-sleeper as well. While (91)Pace is the new DT to watch. Of course, the OL will be a great watch, with mostly names we are all familiar with. Wallace's step forward in camp has been huge; this could be his coming-out party. And Eli now gets the chance to be C 1, while everyone gets the chance to finally be free of Kola. (62)Viebert, and(64)Ellsbury are lesser known guys to watch. I like a lot of what Viebert brings, and with a step forward this year could make a tough decision. Ellsbury is our no. 1 option at C if Eli doesn't work out. Lber, we see a ton of returning guys and more CFL bodies than we could possibly carry. (39)Smith and (34)Shay are the ones we all hope have a big game and manage to move up the depth chart. Rb/TE will be interesting to watch. (73) Daniels could be put in for blocking immediately, which could come at the expense of the 3rd rb. (25)MCI has flashed a significant step forward as a ball carrier in camp, on top of that huge play late last year. While (22)Peterson showed us a whole lot in relief of Brady last year. (35)Rocker, the token import RB of the year and winner of best name in TC, would only be fitting if he became the TC MVP. WR, it's an ugly group today. No reason to mince words. (86) Clericius moving to the slot should be a good watch. They seem high on (82)Cobb this year in camp, after stapling his butt to the bench most of last year. (83)Nield will need to translate what he flashed last year in a big way for us. (17) Singer has had some plays in camp. Corcoran, Desrosiers, Hurford, Jack, and (89)feel good story Tachinski are all going to play significant reps. Hopefully its not like a rerun of Baywatch when they are out on routes. (44)Keegan, the punter's rival this year, has been quiet after coming to camp late. (36)Lidster, Sergios intern has as well. (79)Harrison is a former JET KR of the year winner and will see some KR work. (87)Davis, a very tall, slim-built converted QB from the arena leagues, will likely see some KR work today. (17)Singer, a WR to watch, has also gotten reps on teams this camp, though he doesn't have as much experience doing it as the rest. (35)Rocker may possibly do it this pre-season as well, as he was kind of a do-it-all back in college.

There’s a person on twitter who appears to be Terry Wilson’s mom responding to every tweet about his situation. She makes it pretty clear he knew he wasn’t getting the backup job.

One guy leaving that's not weird... two guys leaving early. I can't remember ever having 2 qbs quit before even getting a chance in a pre season game. Are we recruiting bad character players? Are the guys being treated like ****? Do we just have bad luck? Condell pissing people off? It would be nice to have a reporter speak with the guys and get their side on why they left.

No, I don't. Getting cut is one thing. But walking away from your teammates? How is that leadership or character at the position that requires the most of both? To me, it's the ultimate in selfishness. Things get tough & you quit? Wilson probably felt that he didn't get a fair shake & maybe he didn't. Well then, the only one who can change that perception of Wilson is Wilson himself. Work harder. Study harder. Be the most prepared. Leave everything on the table. No stone unturned. Be the smartest qb in meetings. If he still gets cut ast least then he can say he gave it his all & it just wasn't meant to be. If it's not a mental thing then it's physical. From all the stories I read here of fans watching Wilson practice he didn't do that. His passing was missing the mark. For a third year pro, he should be stepping up & not taking a step back. In Thorne's situation, he probably was overwhelmed & decided to get out. I can imagine players like Brock, Dunigan, Clements, etc all felt that at some point but put their head down & powered thru it. Okay, Thorne's not the first rookie to quit. It happens. If he came back & O'Shea agreed to take him back then I'd be okay with that. Being a rookie he deserves a second chance if he wants it in the future. I can say this about my son Tyler since you brought him up. He never quit any team that he played for. He went thru 3 head coaches, 3 OC's, 3 playbooks, three different sets of terminology & 3 QB Coaches in the three seasons he played at SFU. Some very talented players transferred out. They couldn't recruit during the 3 years he played at SFU because they'd take 3-4 months to hire an new HC so the team couldn't commit to players. And beside, who would sign with SFU when they didn't know who the head coach was going to be? So, recruitment was absolutely dead. This just made the team worse every season he was there. Tyler could have went into the transfer portal every year but each time he said no. He felt he owed it to his "brothers" to stay & not run out on them. So he didn't leave. All his loyalty did was to continue playing football for the worst NCAA program anywhere. His final season under Head Coach Kelly Bates was the worst. They didn't win a game. Bates never played 4 down football. He was never a head coach before. Bates was so far in over his head he was 200 feet underwater & sinking fast yet his huge ego was the problem. He thought he knew all the answers to none of the questions & coached like it. He treated Tyler like ****. Took away his captaincy. Made him the third string qb. All because Tyler came into his office after he was hired to talk about some of the grievances the players had with all the changes every year. The players hated Bates because he treated most of the veterans he never recruited like dirt. Dude went 0-39 as a head coach before the AD put him out of his misery but the damege was done. The players had long stopped playing for him. The football program was cooked. The administration's one goal was to kill the football program & the hiring of Bates sure did it. They hired a couple of head coaches after Bates but only won 2 or 3 more football games after that. All of BC's best football players went to UBC instead. The football team was discontinued. Some of these guys at the pro level think they're so hard done by really aren't.

Condell demands a lot out of his QBs, and maybe Thorne and Wilson just weren't getting the new system.

Well a broke clock is right twice a day LOL Every couple of years we gotta have one of these family members. But atleast 3/4 of the time over the past 20 years its been Lapos... Wilson missed the biggest part of TC, the games. He took away his chance. We've seen guys be just about written off then have a great PS and change their fortunes. TE did it with the packers, and Browns big steps forward came in game as much as any thing.

I was in favor of dumping Wilson early in the offseason. I don't think he showed a shred of progress at any point in time. From what I saw, Elgersma was head and shoulders better, and Wilson doesn't do anything better than Elgersma. I kind of expected Bryce and TE to pass Wilson. I also didn't think Wilson would want to sit on the PR. Its really hard to take a downgrade at his career point. That said, a downgrade is better then an end point.

"It ain't show friends. It's show business."

She gave it to me pretty good. Calling the organization disrespectful and that there was no competition and it’s all BS. He can’t. He’s our property

Sounds like a lot of sour grapes....The proper thing for Wilson to do right now is quit the whining and approach the Als ...they might be able to use him...The CFL is a business and sometimes tough business decisions hurt ...

Yes. I’d also put him at 2.

Watched Thorne interview shortly after he signed here and he sounded pretty ready to move into coaching. Like wasn't counting on having a pro career. Wilson maybe not seeing progress for himself in working up the depth chart but also the game is the chance to win a job. Could be something personal too.

We are talking about the 4th and 5th QB on the depth chart who are (or were I guess) current making less than you could be making on EI right? It's nice to have a romantic view of a team and comradery but at the end of the day it's a business. No one really knows what's being said inside the locker room. You hope that guys are being accurately appraised of their situation. I don't think you can begrudge these guys from seeing the writing on the wall and deciding to go home.

Hot Take: They saw how good Elgersma looked and decided they had no future and left.

I find it extremely strange that two QBs are walking away. Extremely unusual. Even if Wilson could see the writing on the wall, he should at least keep grinding in case someone gets hurt or something else happens. Don't cut yourself, make them cut you. He still could have won the #3 job and had a nice football salary for another year. Very, very weird.

Lots of references by her to how Taylor "looks the part", which....I think I know where that is going. Nowhere good, anyways. Honestly, given how this team has a history of being bafflingly loyal to players that were already here, I take this as a good sign that we may actually have something in Elgersma.

Guy can barely hit 50 per cent of his passes and produces more turnovers than a bakery. I'm sure the eight other CFL clubs will love the leadership skills he so clearly has....

On FB, what appears to be Wilson's wife is commenting that TE was handed the 2QB role without competition.

well it prob moreso the guys who left knowing the were in a bad spot...as opposed to anything nefarious going on, or issues with coaching....this yr...I could of seen guys quiting on numbnutz OC last yr Thorne was just being realistic...he wasnt really faring well and knew he had no chance here...with ZC the starter....a 3 yr vet ahead of him....knowing with all the hype...and the performance of Elgersma that he wasnt going anywhere, and Perkins who is experienced, and finding his way and was well ahead of Thorne in performance Wilson not so sure....maybe he was told they were gonna give Elgersma and Perkins most the reps after ZC as they kinda know what Wilson has/os and that rubbed him wrong way and he just said eff it....possible, or he as well saw the same thing Thorne saw and realized he wasn't out performing Perkins, and that Perkins is likely to get better as he gets more use to the Canadian game...so wanted to walk away, thinking/hoping he's be released and able to latch on elsewhere before camps winded up?...Possible...but we suspended instead, so maybe there is more to it and some personal stuff going on...as we could have just released him if he asked for it, and cant see why we wouldn't...I sure the real story will emerge after this 1st pre-season game and its spoken to next week...Its not like the guy is useless and has zero to offer...If Dom Davis could have the amount of yrs up here running short yardage, Then Wilson surely can as he is damn good at it, and actually in right situ has more to offer....but his future here was likely not happening with ZC here and Elgersma...Especially if ZC pulls a BLM and becomes injury free all yr...and shoots the lights out, he could conceivably wanna play another yr and mentor Elgersma...or even back him up if the kid is legit and wins the job...be a pretty good backup and set of eyes on the sidelines for a young QB

I agree. I’m not a Bo Levi fan, but you have to show you’re capable of being successful over a full season before you can be ranked ahead of the proven all stars.

I'd rank BLM, Vernon Adams & Trevor Harris over him easily at this point. Depends on how this season goes Dru Brown & ZC may also rank higher. The sample size of Alexander is much too small at this point. Lots of potential... needs to prove it on the field for more then 2 - 3 games at a time.

it's not exactly a high bar... I mean who else is in the conversation? The sex pest?

You don't find the timing even a little bit odd... The day before a game?

Davis Alexander is already hurt again.

That O'Shea allowed the travesty that was Hogan to continue all season when even the most optimistic fan saw it as such says volumes about O'Shea- and even Walters.

Elgersma looked legit. Can make all the throws and easily. Wilson? Not so much. Probably saw the new kid come in and throw 40 yard darts downfield and said yeah I’m out of here. Oh well. lol at MBT or any other veteran cfl backup. Why would they do that. Why does the QB need cfl experience cuz the QBs out there are not potential starters. Why bring in guys you know who will never start. If Zach gets banged up it’s TE or BP time. Crazy thought. Maybe just maybe TE and or BP can be starters in the league. Worst case they are crappy cfl backups who just are backups their whole career or maybe they can be franchise QBs. Cuz CFL desperately needs new blood at the QB position, recycling never was and never will be’s is just crazy talk.

All I know is tomorrow is going to be VERY interesting. In some ways, Condell's job just got way easier, but if both TE and BP look like ****, it just got way harder. Pray for the former...

Brilliant. Will be stealing and passing off as my own. As to the rest of the post, I just think this was the plan all off season. We never brought in a vet QB, even before Ermergerdsma was signed. Perkins was signed with the hope that he could fill the Streveler role. Whether that’s purely SY or the primary backup will likely depend on how the preseason goes, but I’m putting my money on Ermergerdsma.

It's not terribly hard to see why either guy left from a football stand point. As a P4 QB, it's possible that Thorne made more money than Collaros last year and he was likely going to be on the PR. It's possible that Elgersma is going to be QB2, and Wilson would be going on his 3rd straight year of QB3 if he were to beat out Perkins. Yeah you are playing professional football, but at what point do you pull the plug? He wouldn't be the first person to quit after a few years of not getting Second-team reps, and he won't be the last I'm sure.

Perkins is a veteran pro, just not a veteran CFL pro. Multiple years in NFL, UFL MVP, etc.

Honestly that is fantastic news. If he has that kind of mentality then buh-bye. Always thought he would never develop.

I'd argue glue guys are different than the undefined intangibles guys. Hallett in his prime = glue guy. Undefined intangibles with no obvious skill or team benefit guy = Corcoran, Damian Jackson.

You have to have those glue guys. They make a difference. It can be argued we may have too many but if you have none you are the Craig Dickenson Riders...lots of talent half arsing it.

This whole we love guys due to undefined intangibles BS needs to stop.

I HOPE, that this is a case of we need to know what we have in Korny and see if a roster move to fill the back up is needed now. (It is) And that we want to run Corcoran, Cobb and fredericksen against each other for the last wr spot. It would make sense since we are doing the same with Texada and Burrell. I hope Clercius gets lots of reps at Slot. I will be sick if we cut him for the also-rans who can't run.

I haven't either, but I wasn't looking for him either. But something I did notice is that everyone is talking about the great improvement with Condell in how strong a communicator he is. Also, his great attitude. In the past years, I saw considerable frustration and angst between Zach and both Hogan and Buck. At first, I thought it was a looking too hard at it thing. But so many others in the organization and media have echoed the same things about Condell. I don't think Zach was taking shots, nor was anyone else. But I think the interpersonal issues with Hogan are not understated. Having a normal TC, and not throwing out the playbook come the regular season is going to be a massive boon to our offence.

Cobb is practicing in Demski's spot and Corcoran is filling in for Cobb at field WR. Clercius is at SB on the second team. We'll see how that shakes out when camp is over.

I haven't been to camp but here's my best representation of what I can gather of the lineup from reports and other sources. Of course we will get the official pre-season game 1 depth chart tomorrow morning.

It's surprisingly professional and functional, for the CFL. I like it. Nothing fancy and gives you everything their website does but organized much better. I'd like to see them implement a system similar to the Jets "Pucks" system where you can complete tasks to gain "Pucks" then spend them on contest entries or small merch items. It gives you a reason to check in on the app more frequently, adds a little interactivity.