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and also find it odd...as much work as we have to do to fix things...a lot of things...we take an extra day off on tuesday and dont practice....like wtf...great coaching and planning going on here...its a wonder why we look god awful more often than not...unprepared and confused...no reason to take a mid week day off

It's not even just Ottawa making moves either (they are just the most visible at the moment). Every single team in the league is far more active in letting guys go or bringing guys in than we are. You look at the CFL transaction page or one of the Neg List tracker accounts and we rarely make any non-injury related moves - it's like they are completely satisfied with players we have or they feel they've done such a good job scouting that nobody better can possibly be added to the neg list so things are fine the way they are.

“I feel like we’re very inconsistently consistent, and we’ve got to be able to finish those things, but in order to do that kind of thing, you’re not just gonna look at the outcome, so to speak. You’ve gotta chop wood and carry water, that kind of thing, and then you have to be able to do those things and not look just at the outcome. You’ve gotta look at the full what goes into the play and not just the stat or the ending of it,” said Condell. “Every play has its own paragraph or own chapter, and the ending of the chapter is just the stat. We’ve gotta be worried about what’s happening within that whole play and not worry about the outcome, so to speak. The outcome will take care of itself, and I’ve got to be able to coach that, and be able to coach that way in order for them to think that way.”

I don't think we're underachieving. I think we're coming back down to earth after a couple years of over achieving. Barely scrapping out wins we maybe shouldn't have. Covering up obvious concerns because we won, so it can't be that bad... jmo

4-4 but do we beat Hamilton if BLM finishes the game? Calgary was a close win and we needed extended OT to beat Ottawa. We could easily be 2-6 or 1-7. Club is not playing well.

No, the fanbase isn't spoiled rogtten. They pay their hard earned money. It's the front office & coaching. How many coaches & GMs last nearly 15 years together? They got new contracts for crissakes. And 3 years to boot. That's insane especially when we all could see favouritism taking place as well as the decline in performance & lack of Osh's accountability. Jordan Younger's explanation giving up 377 yards rushing? "It kind of snowballed." No kidding. Thanks, Captain Obvious.

I've sat through Reinbold, Daley, Burke and this just stinks. Losing and being inept and not entertaining at all is no fun. When the team and players act like they don't care and management and coaching is arrogant and dismissive of concerns, its a huge turnoff.

I get what he is trying to say. Bill Walsh wrote a whole book called "The Score Takes Care of Itself" (which is phenomenal, btw) based on this concept, which is how he built the dynasty 9ers. Sun Tzu wrote that, "Strategy with out the Tactics is the slowest route to victory, and Tactics with out Strategy is the noise before defeat." This clearly sounds and looks like Tactics without Strategy. Each drive, he is throwing some set of Tactics at the D, without an overarching Strategy. We are basically throwing darts at a wall, hoping to hit the dartboard but aren't even looking to see if that wall has a dartboard. The way it should work is we use Tactics, setting up the run/play action, pump-and-go after screen setup, and route concept development, to accomplish a specific goal. Get the Wil in a 1on1 in the trail position on Demksi around the seam; use the run to develop play action with the screen game, keeping the box honest, then bust a play action or pump screen and go to get Nield good separation vs a half-down field. Using motion to disguise jet plays, reveal coverage, create pre-snap read option opportunities, etc. We have a few tactics, but they don't have a strategy that they are trying to accomplish. Tactics, combined with strategy, create win conditions. Like our empty the backfield on second down to expose and limit the rush. But we aren't actually using Brady as more than a decoy, or even using him as a decoy well. We basically drop the QB back and have him hit whoever he can under coverage and hope they can gain the needed yardage. After Browns' first start, we haven't even used timing routes on one-step drops to at least get the ball to guys before the cushion is eaten up. However, clued in Mos is to the deficiencies of this team, he is still completely blind to the fact that the biggest problems are culture/accountability/preparation/execution. I love the book and enjoy the movie. They really, really did Art Howe dirty in the movie, though. I think they should rewatch each of our losses and lowlights on a loop until we fix what is broken.

Condell is a complete ******* clown which is well-known around this league. He's a loser. Stain on this franchise and the legacy of the people making the decision to hire him in a playcalling role.

Condell's interview is another example of the lack of accountability. I don't remember, it was 11 days ago. Yeah, try doing that at your job.

If pokey is your 3 you're in a great spot. He is at worst a solid #2. But you can't have all of the same type as him. We just don't have a lot of. Variety in our top guys.

I see no change at all from how Osh has coached ithis year compared to years previous. Giving the team a day off mid week seems Osh is totally unconcerned what happened the past two games. Some thought that Walters would step up & make Osh more accountable this season. Nope. That Miller would step up & make both Walters & Osh more accountable. Nope. Nothing has changed. I knew last year this would happen when they rall re-signed everyone. That it would be this way.

I've been complaining about that for awhile now. the lack of anything once the season is underway, The Trinity signs a few players in February. Then they sit around slapping each others backs backs & shaking hands saying their job is now done.

Being 0-7 with a team you personally built and then tossing players overboard because you need someone to blame because you kept the wrong QB and coordinators isn't having stones it's a desperate attempt to keep your job. Just saying. I hope MOS is never in that position, but if he ever is I suspect he would act similarly. All DOA coaches do.

As been proposed ad nausem in this forum, this is not about just what is going on this season- this has been fermenting for the past three seasons. There were plenty of warning signs but the Trinity ignore them all.

Maybe they need to watch Moneyball

yeh the fact that after that joke of a game and then a bye week...that no significant changes of any type were made...or issues even brought out shows we are totaly lacking any leadership coaching wise...and to me in my experience...they have no clue how to fix...and even more disturbing can't even see the issues...they think they doing great and it will all just work out....Rudderless ship and not the fault of the players...even if some are just not good enough...they have zero hope The articles with Younger and Condell as well...just ooze "i have no effin clue"....pathetic....and anytime Osh is in front of the mic its more the same....for many yrs....Guy is just out to lunch we were putting lipstick on a pif for 2 yrs now....and every lucky/b.s win we got just internally justified Osh and what he was doing and that all was good...when it wasnt...I said then..and been saying ever since we gonna be in huge trouble...we were in huge trouble...and right now we are hanging on tothe edge of a cliff we trying not to totally fall off...But it's coming...and the lack of anything being done during bye week says so....A couple guys coming back from injury isn't a saving the season thing...we had the issues when they were playing...it's the coaching I wish we were playing a legit team this friday because if we squeak out a win vs Ott...just gonna be more of the same and make Osh think he on right path, and delay the inevitable. Dimwitty is throwing out guys like garbage and there gonna be new blood playing there....Hungry young guys with a point to prove...and a team thats been sent the message to shape up or you will be promptly shipped out...regardless of who you are and how long you been around...Thats a scary team to go up against when you yourself are a listing mess People been mocking Ol Blue eyes a bit....but he aint sitting pat and just being complacent...Maybe Osh should do a fraction of that If we lose..at home again...coming off a bye...vs a team with probably 3..4 new faces in lineup...man on man...I'd cut the HC lose right after the game...cause we hooped We already got embarrased by a 3rd string QB playing on a team missing a whole whack of regulars...having that happen again vs a winless squad...something needs to be done

And there are years when a 4-4 record is earned earned & celebrated on either a young team working hard or rising out of a bad one. Fans get excited for the future. Or a good team underachieving & fans get bent. Or bad team overachieving for a short period of time. Over time, things even out. so fans get bent at what they see. A bad team will ultimately remain one until necessary changes are made usually at the top. The Bombers are an old team on the decline with Osh coaching them like it's 2022 all over again. We have two starters on the OL who are waaay past their best before date, for example. Bryant at 40 & pushing 41 & Neufeld at 37 going on 38. Kyrie Wilson 33 nearly 34, Nick Hallett 31, Demski 33, Collaros 38. Jefferson (who I admit is playing well). 35. This team is on the decline. We all can see it except fans like you who hold on to the past. The Trinity's time is past. It should have been done & gone last off season after the season ended.

Non issue, handled internally

I can’t believe out of all of our issues we’re talking about Pokey Wilson. Honestly without his emergence our scouting looks even more bleak. He’s not ever going to be that alpha number one receiver because quite frankly I don’t think he has the hands to consistently come down with the big catch. But he’s on pace for over 1200 yards and 8 touch downs. Definitely a solid 2 guy or a luxury as a 3rd. Not his fault we gambled on Schoen and let go of Lawler.

Hot take.... Mike Kelly might have gotten better results from a worse roster than we're getting this season.... That's the issue dude... This team is underachieving

Is management publicly embarrassing the club? No, they are leaving that to the players to do, with their on-field performance. Can anyone even say what our management is actively doing though? Some heads (be it players or staff) should have rolled after that last debacle but instead they stood pat. Definition of insanity...

There are years we'd kill to be 4-4 after 8 games... And years we've had a management team that were publicly embarrassing the franchise. We definitely don't have that. Are we lacking in some areas? Absolutely. But this is not Tim Burke, Mike Kelly, Jeff Reinebold...

That's what got Don Jonas traded to hamilton many moons ago. Back in the mid 70's when things started changing, veteran qbs were allowed to call their own plays. When that happened, it was like a rite of passage. The Head Coach acknowledged his starting qbs was a true veteran. It was the ultimate in trust & most qbs embraced it loving the freedom to call their own plays. It was an acknowledgement that the HC trusted him to make decisions on the field. That just isn't done today. Everything is so controlled now that I can't see Osh as a conservative head coach ever allowing it.

Here is what I want out of this team; Set a high tone for physicality on the first kick of the game, and at least match the other team's level of physicality for the whole game. They don't have to win the physical battles, but they have to make each battle physical, and make the other team pay a toll to win the ones they take. Run it out, from the back side of plays, busted contain/coverage, big plays, long plays, every play. No jogging it out once you lose the angle, no quiting on plays. Care as much, if not more, about the snaps you lose as the snaps you win. Lots of celebrating small victories, but the care for getting beat seems gone very quickly if it ever sets in at all. Don't take any thing laying down. If the other team punches us in the mouth, we gotta get up and swing back. I don't mean literally fighting; I mean answering spikes in intensity/physicality/momentum, etc. Competent, professional football fundamentals. Taking a bad angle, overpursuing, driving for a hit with no immediate backup, throwing a limp-arm tackle when the guy doesn't have an angle on you, catching most of the catchable footballs, etc. If we did that, and won 6 games and missed the playoffs this year, we would be a good bad team. With a future brighter than our present. That would be a team anyone could be proud of. Without doing those things, no matter what our record, our future is dimmer than the present. That is the corner all teams must round before starting to become an actual good team. Not an underachieving team that is old and soft, hoping each week that the other team will out-underperform them.

Aside from roster management, one of the biggest disappointments with talent is that we are really getting the least out of a whole lot of guys. No, but that accusation is very RF board-esque. We all know every stadium that sees high attendance has a good chunk of fair-weather fans. While the dynasty has for sure cemented many new hardcore fans, it has brought in 100x more casual bandwagon jumpers. I mean, how many of the Rum Hut guys are there for the Rum Hut and GD experience, not the game itself? We got 3 good/solid 3s, 1 guy who could become a 3, and 1 guy with a pulse in the WR core. Not too many sets of hands top to bottom, and most wouldn't have been able to ride the Dragon at Fun Mountain with out some one turning a blind eye.

Just another day at the country club.

Correct. The point was that someones physical looks doesn't indicate if they are a drunky/druggy.

hey...he getting rid of guys and at least trying to bring in someone else....if anything he admitting he made a mistake and doing something about it....or has made some realization that something needs to be changed....wish that was going on here exactly ....if anything he is taking ownership of some of his earlier decisions and perhaps screw ups and at least doing something about it....Osh....cant bring himself to do it...or just cant see it....or both

As far as Dinwiddie is comcerned, the team was already blown up before he got there. His additions didn't work out so what does he do? He just blew it up for a second time. He's the Captain & he'll go down with his ship. Compare him to Osh who does nothing to improve his team. He knows there are problems but his reaction is to stick his head in the sand. If he doesn't see the problem he hopes it'll just be gone when he pops up. Both ways aren't very good. Dinwiddie's lighting fires & blowing things up or Osh being afraid to make a move while hoping everything will just get better on its own.

Only a few more weeks before summer is over & no one goes to Grand Beach in September. Got to take advantage of what's left of August. ;)

I see it as him finally being the shot-caller. He isn't a backup QB. A junior coach. A first time HC. He is a 3 time GC winning HC and GM with a big money contract who took over a franchise that can't afford to say "no" to him. For all we know, he's had a forceful personality all along but had to bite down on his opinions before because he wasn't who the buck stopped with until this season.

I think the worst part is it doesn't go the other way... we're not a few plays away from being 6-2... all 4 losses were embarrassments...

SORTA like the losers we had to concede to for coords/coaches the few yrs before 2019...we coming full circle sadly or were just too stupid to see them...and realize the trend they were on

His interviews come across to me as a human version of ChatGPT.

Argos won in 2017 with a 9-9 record, but we were 1st in the East (after going 5-2 in our last 7)

Wilson is definitely being used ALOT differently this year. Similar yards per game in his games last year to this year but his average depth of target is 5 yards less despite being targeted >20 yards downfield almost the same amount of times (granted in 2 less games in 2025) and a higher percentage of his yards are after the catch this year (46 vs 33). 3DownNationTommy Condell struggles to explain Winnipeg Blue Bombers...The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have struggled offensively at times this season, but it felt like things came to a head against the B.C. Lions in Week 9. The club managed only 19 points and 304 net yards in

I'd add that if he's your No. 3, you are in a great spot, at No. 3. Overall, it's possible (and the reality currently) that it's not a good spot to be in. It certainly does hurt him that Demski and White are very similar in terms of weaknesses and what they provide, which isn't on him. I've not been too bullish on Pokey; he kind of overachieves and got really far based on 3 big games as a rookie. He's been far more consistent this year in terms of production, though that has come at the cost of efficiency. He was at 9.77 yards per target as a rookie, 10.6 when he came back last year, and is down to 8.5 yards per target this year. He's put up outings of 7.42 YPA and 4.26 YPA. But he is also close to matching his rookie totals for YAC this year already. The question is, can he do more with fewer attempts? Because he is getting almost 8 targets a game. Philpot and Snead are putting up 12 YPA on 10 and 8.5 attempts per game, respectively. Wheatfall is pulling down 10.37YPA with a 67% catch rate on 4.11 attempts per game. The 60.3% completion rate to Wilson is really killing him.

I hate to say this, but bailing on season tickets at this point is a very Rider "fans" thing to do.

Nobody is forgetting anything - you're acting like losing is ancient history when in reality we didn't get above .500 at PAS until the 2021 season. We had a record of 31 wins and 32 losses from 2013 through 2020 (the first 4 years there were particularly brutal) so anybody who's had ST's for a while is fully aware of the highs and the lows.

you’ve got it wrong. it’s not about winning, it’s about effort and quality of team on the field. The on field product is embarrassing. We could have a worse record but better engagement if the team was losing close, nail biting good games. if they were playing physical and smart football. from the coaching to the players, the quality is apathetic and fans are matching that.

Nah, we've sat through many losing seasons so that's not it

My entire complexion is reddish all summer - runs in the family. I do love a good scotch, but it ain't what blushes me.

and I bounced for yrs....and the regulars...and the known ones with alcohol and dependency issues, especially the ones who have been at it a while pretty much 90% of them had that look as well...

Yeah..took day off yesterday as well for no particular reason too..mid week day off the week of a game. That makes total sense for a struggling team...no wonder we look like a confused unprepared mess game days

Not sure if this link works but Brady missed another day of practice and is questionable...

This statement couldn't be more right....The mark of a 'loser club' is when the 'losers' start washing up on their club

oh I agree...I just used Ott as an example cause we about to play them...and you know they gonna be coming out hard and hungry, cause they just saw 3 vets kicked to the curb...so thy will be fired up and playing with urgency and to earn/keep a job.... And here we are...no changes...and we take yesterday off for no particular reason...like wtf?!?!!?...I guess we watched the film again and saw the errors and its all fixed...yeah right eh? And this is Osh's history...who we break camp with is the roster...and thePR...and thats that...like he either doesnt want to admit a mistake or 2 with players...or 5....or he just plain dumb and has minimal clue how to create and manage a roster/pr and where and when to upgrade when needed

Max Hall was coked up and nobody said a thing back in the day when he was with us...