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And then stopped doing anything.... so what's the ******* difference? People bend over backwards to make excuses for Zach but **** all over streveler for the same problems. Ol not good enough, receivers not good enough, game plan not good enough. Been saying it for weeks now, this teams problems are less qb related and more everything else related.

Atomic is the winner. Congrats.

Or Jones....Allen...Woodbey....Eli at center....Shay or Smith....Bailey....Finally gave Person a shot and wow....guy can play... And we have guys we know are not good enough, and really not good depth cause...they not good enough....but here they stay...and continue to play

yeah next yr is the judgement time for Strev....pretty hard to base any opinion on him all things considered this yr....amazing he actually on the field Poor group of guys to throw to....a revolving door on oline.....worst center in the league....O.C who has zero clue.....but attitude of a 25 yr coach who has been uber succesful....continually out coached gane in and gae out....we rarely look prepared.....good luck with that for any Q.B.....It effects ZC too....tho he is in serious decline and a lot of it is in his head now....he seems panicked more than not....hence all his picks last 2..3 yrs

Looks like the UFL is critically failing again. 4 teams, the former usfl division, are being relocated with no plans or destinations yet. Lots of other speculation's circulating as well. Likely the end of the UFL.

Are people already in next year country? WTF? Dark days. Dark days indeed. I don't care who you put under center behind this O-line and OC- you are not getting to the dance. A change at OC and something that ******* works to solidify that porous O-line is sorely needed.

We're navel gazing on the 35th roster spot when spots 1-30 are getting killed every week aside from our kickers and a couple DB's.

Ok, the whole not giving national rookies time. None of us are saying start them, we're saying give them reps. There is a difference. As for letting them ripen, Fortin and Alford have been starting for Calgary and playing well. Veresuk is in the same boat for Hamilton. There is also Keelen White who is starting for Ottawa. I think its fair to say the argument that you need to shelter rookies is not true.

You could say our recent WR drafting record has us...Jaded?

Always a silly take. We know. He's played a ton in two preseasons. No progress Year 1 to Year 2. Way outperformed by a rookie pro this year in preseason games. Only thing I don't know is why they kept him instead of someone who can at least function at this level like Dolegala. Wilson has near zero upside as a passer. Not even a good NCAA QB, slow processing in pocket, hesitant to throw the ball more than 5-6 yards downfield. Let's put him out there to make sure we get murdered so we KNOW!

yup....thats why stats are misleading....and not knowing the context or time and circumstance of it I don't think ZC has the ability now to drag a team to victory on his back...unless everything is perfect for him and he has a certain type of player who can bail him out a lot and making him look better than he actually is....and we don't have those guys anymore Prime Schoen...Lawler...Bailey making a lot of the tough and grimy catches and then yac after....as well as physical presence keeping DB's honest...Woli and what he did...Darvin and the tough and timely grabs...plus the leadership he brought and the do it like me presence....we have so let our receiver group turn into garbage, add in a convenience hire for OC...Basically a guy with no real experience other than being B0's hype coach...well you see what we get

Head coaches pick their staff that's kind of the whole deal. I've said it before, osh deserves a statue outside the stadium, but it's looking like his ideas are old and stale and if he doesn't adapt then serious questions need to be asked about his future.

Wilson was 15 / 20 - 130 yards Artoopoeus was 6 / 9 - 54 yards So 9 pass attempts vs 4th stringers equals enough footage to give that guy the keys?

This is the same team that keeps trotting out Jake Thomas. This is the same team that won't pull Zach when he's bad. Wouldn't this suggest that this team is bad at judging talent and/or giving others opportunities? They don't even let him try is exactly the issue people have had with this club for the last several years.

Yea.. Castillo is literally playing lights out.

Give him a chance and if he sucks then find a damned American.

That hasn’t been the case in a long while. Doubly so since the coaching cap came in. In league scouting is the worst its ever been by a huge margin. Early in the mafia days we killed it at in league scouting. Since the cap, haven’t found jack. Talent into the league is also down significantly since the nfl pr expansion, increase in nfl pr pay, and the nfls evolution to spread/rpo/spread to run etc schemes that used to not be “pro” systems. When guys get picked up by other teams now, it’s almost always either college overlap scouting, front office/coach moving to a new team and brining guys with them, or grabbing a guy you played against in pre season. Teams are very much fumbling in the dark trying to find talent with very limited tools to do so. This is why we seldom see new players progress to star levels any more, and why every team is hurting for imp talent at multiple spots. That makes it all the harder to watch us cut blue chip guys with out giving many a shot, or guys who actually excelled in camp/ps. We aren’t getting more of that pretty much the rest of the year now. No more LD air lift roster make overs. NFL pr guy in as little as 3 weeks makes as much as a rookie here who starts the whole season once you convert usd/cad and pay Canadian taxes. Rookies and camp cuts don’t have to be all stars immediately, when you play many guys at or below replacement level. Let’s take the easy comparison in Bridges. We easily cut 3-4 dbs better than him. You don’t need to have amazing scouting skills to see that, not when we brought back a tc cut, used a kr who didn’t make it as a db alone, and have two dbs from camp on the pr. Any of those guys would’ve done better than bridges, and offered the up side potential of becoming an all star. Bridges was a known commodity last year. Now do the same with Guys like Kyrie, wr core, bonds etc. Then you can look at well below replacement level Canadians. Because we’ve been under using the allotment of imps, haven’t been playing dis on D/O, haven’t been using the naturalized Canadians, and even a guy like Bailey vs end of PR Canadians like ball/kornelson. What you end up with is a big, big pile of roster spots that give us far below replacement level, that we could’ve used to develop younger more talented guys who performed better in camp/ps. You could even flip a far below replacement level Canadian (kola, Thomas, Corcoran etc) for an import who has already shown flashes of being better than replacement as an imp. Which is a huge talent swing. We’ve tried little of substance to fix the wr core, the mafia has admitted defeat to the 5-6 dl with no viable bodies to rotate, we’ve tried fixing the ol with changes to every spot but kola, and we’ve finally started admitting defeat in the secondary with guys like bridges, and the double switch+ at Sam/s. It isn’t some ridiculous claim to say that guys who got cut out of camp, would’ve been upgrades to guys we kept, who have only continued to struggle or gotten worse. Some positions like qb rely a lot more on nuance/intangibles, and struggle with the speed up to game action. But others, like db/rb/lb etc don’t. Hamiltons poaching efforts (lawler aside) hurt us and helped them with out stars changing place. You might be lucky to have 3-4 stars on your team. The majority of your team is made up of role guys. If those guys play level isn’t as apparent in the stat sheet, and they aren’t getting accolades. But when your depth pieces are suddenly worse than every one else’s, you struggle a lot more. And when you’re go from bottom tier to middle of the pack, you might not have a great D, but suddenly you win a lot more games. Our depth stinks, even the greenest fan sees that. It stinks, because we have failed to develop young guys and move them up the pipeline. When you do that, you end up walking away from good players you shouldn’t have. That is where we are. we likely haven’t Cut any rookie dalton schoen types. But we have cut enough better players that we’ve lost out on a couple that would’ve turned into all stars, and upgrades.

He was the only reason to go to games that year. I mean Reinbold on OB after the game and his overuse of the word, warrior, especially after a 20+point beatdown was funny but it was mainly 85.

When's the last time you watched a football game?

"We" are not advocating to downgrade the QB position- Collaros has done that all by himself and Walters has just about painted himself into a corner with that bloated contract.

Him and Jarious Jackson have only been efficient passer/play caller together. Otherwise they've both been awful in those roles in this league. Only a portion of that contract is guaranteed and the likelihood of scooping anyone better than Collaros is almost nil.

I'm just saying I'd trade Zach for MBT in a heart beat. Not because I have "faith" in MBT.... mostly because we get a durable QB and we get rid of that albatross of a contract. Next year start fresh with a lot more money. If MBT can perform I can't imagine signing him for another year would be $600 000.....

Mayala is likely better depth than Cobb or Corcoran.

Game 1 - Artopoeus was 5/6 for 43 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to Wilson 6/8 for 72 yards against 2nd stringers. Game 2 - Artopoeus was 1/3 for 11 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to WIlson 9/12 for 58 yards against 3rd stringers. How in the world do you intrepret that as "way out performed" when statistically he was worse and playing against the worst players? And for progress Wilson had a better pre season this year compared to last year.

They should be given reps to see if they have a legit future chance....or can actually perform now...and what a boon it would be to have an entry level $$ starter, a Canadian to boot for 2..3 yrs and allow you to allocate more cash to area's of severe need. Any player who can show they can play over a less than stellar player is a valid point and something they should be exploring at every turn...sitting idly and content with past succes has us exactly in the spot we are at now If either one them...or both can show they can play say WIL right now.....would it be not the smart thing to have em play....get better as they play because they will and use that now free'd up DA spot...even 2 if you drop both Ayers and Wilson and use them for a legit DT/Nose who would make a difference....another stud receiver?...everyone said Shay was second coming of Singleton...If Cgy handled him like we do our guys....he would have never amounted to anything....they recognized the upside and talent...played him from day 1 pretty much I wouldnt say way out performed....The other guy did ok...but against and with guys nobody will ever see or hear from again

That would be good. Schmeck would have a bright future on the OL imo. I like Vibert; he's raw, though, needs polish. Idk how you can be worse than Kola, though.

That's fair. Castillo is a close 2nd though.

We're not getting Manu this year. He has run with the 1s in some Detroit practices and they really seem to be both liking his development and progress and actively working to develop him according to reports.

Streveler has heart and that puts him above Zach. Old Zach and his cool calm no emotion demeanor was ok as he got the job done. New Zach's brooding no emotion demeanor means little based on performance. Chris is a hype guy and lifts the people around him. Once he's fully 100% I believe he'll compete. Us armchair coaches don't know the full extent of what a player is playing through. I'd rather an upbeat amp'd up guy that gives it his all versus a guy that quietly doesn't accomplish much.

our ace in the hole is he is a Canadian who came from a Canadian school....and had zero U.S ball experience Pretty much the death blow to any prospect...especially so for a Q.B....We may see him next yr.....worst case for 2027 season is my guess

And maybe multiple guys at that. If the Als lost Alexander and MBT for instance. Even then, most of the teams around the league have a decent vet back up qb, who are significantly cheaper. Most of that was just to brady on check downs and 1 leak out too lol We can go back to every play off game with zach save for 1, and 90% of last year too.

Remind me... who hired the coordinators?

I'd say it's the latter, but again, Goalie doesn't like to entertain the idea that coaches make mistakes building a roster or giving opportunities to players. Only way change happens is extended periods of flat out pants shitting or injury.

I actually like Wilson as a short yardage QB. He seems to get off faster than Strev and keeps lower, his instincts to move right or left when over the center gets plugged just seems better. Anytime he has been in on short yardage positives have happened. Whether he can run a regular offence is hard to say as he has not had a lot of opportunity. Strev is 2-0 this year when he has started although it has not been pretty. Seems to not have the escapability needed as a run and gun QB like he used to. dont know if his knee surgery is affecting this more than thought or not.

Lol, criticize one of the things actually being done right

Why are you throwing Wilson under the bus. The guy hasn't had a single chance to show what he can do.

In 1997, Milt had over 1600 receiving yards on a team with Chris Vargas and Kevin McDougal as the QBs with no other threat at receiver. He'd make a difference. Hogan needs to go though, you are 100% correct.

he wont be like that in 2026 tho....may even be much better late this yr.....Everyone thinks he is what he is post surgery and thats not the case...especially 11 months removed....Judgment cant really be passed until a full camp next yr....actual weapons to throw to...and an OC that has half a brain.....ZC not so much tho...we have seen his slide now for 3 yrs...and he aint getting younger

THATS what I said...Walters is involved in the National scouting...ie....Canadian draft G.M's dont build the roster...they bring in the players but DONT tell HC who to cut/retain....if thats happening your in real trouble as a franchise. So how is it telling y=that Osh keeps guysyr after yr rather than replacing them...If it's tellung anything it's saying Osh isnt held accountable to a certain degree Fact of the matter from HC up we been bumbling and stumbling and that combo has been a huge reason of our erosion and total lack of deoth and top line talent...and usually more times than not the HC is expunged before anyone.....or they clean house top to bottom....I think we need to change one of the pieces and see if that changes things for the better first....then go from there

The rookie's longest pass was 12 yards. Pre season doesn't tell the full story but if you are going to use it as a determining factor then Wilson blew him away. Two seasons ago Pigromes looked like the next Doug Flutie in pre season and where is he today? Dru Brown looked like crap in that same pre season and now he is a desired starter. Real game time is significantly more important then pre season.

A reminder that they extended him for next season as well! The reason I want him gone is so that we do have money to spend next season on a starting QB OR other impact players. Zach has been playing at the bottom level of the starters for 2 seasons in a row. Why would we pay a premium for a 3rd straight year when you can start Strev or almost any other guy and get similar results at a much lower price? For the record Tre Ford and Jake Maier have better QB ratings then Zach this and last season despite playing on crappier teams.

If you like sacks and 2 yard passes. Take Cooley's YAC yards off the board and Wilson did nearly nothing against team losses when he's on the field (aka him getting sacked by holding the ball for an eternity).

Fact is, our Ni wr depth has been that bad for a long time. Corcoran has some limited use potential, woli was breaking down by the time big kev stepped up, and demski is always a struggle to stay healthy. A few years back, we invested a lot in the draft at WR, we didn't do much with those guys and ended up not really putting in that investment again. We've done a good job of re stocking NI depth at DB/Lber, but we need to get back in on DL/DE, WR and OL is always a restock position.

A cornerback and apparently smart. God knows that sad sack lot played like they need a heart transplant last Saturday.

I dont know...Canadian receiver who has put up two 500+ yard seasons with 5 td's...one in only 12 games....Not sure he wouldn't offer more than Corcoran...Cobb...and be nice depth...also a guy who has had made big explosion plays Don't really see Cobb or Corcoran ever being that kind of guy...if you not trying to get better and find guys...what the hell are we doing?

He spent the whole offseason busting his butt with lecharles bentley, who does exceptional work with OL training. It sounds like he is looking really good early in lions camp, itll all come down to health and PS play imo.

Just Neg list but they're definitely trying to find some DBs since we're so beat up....

I think the only chance of Zach getting a trade is if someone else gets a season ending injury and they are desperate for a vet.