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Bullshit. Fox and garbutt as examples played well when they weren't on the ir. Problem is that they insisted on playing thrnold guys on dl and never truly used the youth. Even this year. Person gets a handful of reps, we keep Kornelson on the roster to take a handful of reps... we waste spots on special teams only guys as opposed to guys who can take reps on defense or offense as well as teams. The roster usage blows chunks.

Why do I have the feeling that despite being incredibly beat up along the offensive line Toronto will still manhandle our front 7.

Just think back to 2019 and 2021... they used 8 guys regularly in rotation on the DL who could contribute and it worked spectacularly. So why now do we think using basically 5 guys, 3 of which are well over 30 is going to be the answer?

I noticed that despite practicing in full all week, Mitchell and J.Jones are listed as out. No changes coming as we suspected. Both should ask to be released.

Garbutt is a shitty American player in this league. He has 4 sacks in 20 games. Very minimal impact. Same production here and in Hamilton. Unless everyone is so scared of him they avoid his side of the field. Fox too. 14 games in 4 seasons, a tackle a game and 1 career sack. Those guys are the definition of placeholders. Any team should be embarrassed to be featuring those guys at this point of their career. Those are the kinds of guys in the kinds of positions that should be moved out if they make no impact. And I'm not saying the Bombers are any better. Like Adams to me is a guy I'm trying to replace every week. The position is among the easiest in the game. Win your gap, be disruptive. If we can watch 6 games and not be sure you even dressed when you're playing 30+ snaps a game, see ya.

Kramdi is already basically in a secondary position... cfl teams are mostly 2 linebackers these days and a bunch of dbs.

And they're playing Ceresna without giving his knee a chance to heal.

Where is player safety?

I was always told les was maruo.

Sign of a smart coach...doing whats best for the "team"

Nichols is hands down the best guy on our D. Is Griffin 2nd best? Yep bout it. Don’t recommend thinking about who comes next. It gets real depressing real fast.

Trailblazer for sure. One of the few early guys they attracted in the first couple waves who was a good football player. Too bad he was like 28 when he got here.

100%. He and Kongbo very similar contributions to the D. And both made it extremely easy to rotate them in while adding a dime etc. we had soo much utility and flexibility with the D during the ships. Dl guys on the bench who could rotate, pressure inside out, allowing wj to do what he likes vs single blocker even dropping back (remember that lol) biggie gave us massive support in pass cover and excellent gap cancelling, kyrie also brought insane range and dependability. Ba was soo damn good at keeping guys on the same page doing the right thing while terrorizing RBs and WRs. Stove and drake gave us the ability to close 2 gaps with 1 guy. Now we have virtually none of that flexibility or basic ability to execute consistently at a high level.

If I was Jones id not agree to be "hurt" so we would have to either roster him...ask him to join PR (which i sure he'd say no thanks to)...or just release him...cause I sure he wants to play but also not be a distraction talking bout it here. He'd be picked up in a heartbeat and in some teams lineup immediately....

Kongbo was very good, but not fast twitchy pass rusher. But you’re right. Yeah, it’s sad the position we maybe recruit the best, dt, is one we cling to the worst crutch of a passport at.

yup...tho stats dont tell the whole story on the dline Garbutt with 9 tackles and 1 sac...Fox with 9 tackles and no sacs.....is better than Thomas with 2 tackles...zero sacks....and just awful play...Korn with 3 tackles...zero sacks....WJ with 8 tackles...1 sac..Adams with 5 tackles and 1 sac ...Vaughter has 13...no sacs and does get a lot of heat and disruption at times....but justifying their release as "dont do squat" doesn't compute.....Both guys in Hammer are disruptive and get pressures too...and are in a rotation...legit one so likely less snaps too They also both have motors and from what I see when watching don't take plays off.....to say we better without them is foolish...and even tho Woli is hurt....wasnt going into camp so not like we let him go cause we knew something...we didnt....but his smarts...and trust with ZC would be a lot better roster option than Corcorran....Novack..Korn and even Thomas and could have been that super sub on offence who knows all the positions and would provide leadership (which we lacking) and grit...and not like we would have had to break bank to keep him either...he would have stayed on his current deal he had...another brain dead stupid move...who was the main voice behind it who knows...but was dumb none the less Our failures and issues we incurring are all self inflicted...anyone thinking or saying opposite isnt paying attention...or just plain has no clue

One thing I think we can all be sure of is it's not because he is unwilling. If there is one person I think of when overcoming adversity, it would be Chad Kelly. He is tenacious and does not take no for an answer.

Doesn't look like anyone is worried about him to me. Certainly don't mind baiting him and letting him spin around if they run outside zone away from him, leave him unblocked and double up play side, work up to 2nd level. 145/5 equals ? He's played more than half the plays this season...which is an ideal number. Ideally you have 8-9 guys rotating so that's where he'd be. We don't have to make excuses for anyone's lack of impact or production just because we hate Jake Thomas.

Griffin might be the best player in the secondary

Regardless of what dude said. He’s a legend. RIP Hulk.

yeah....putting him back in after it was put back in place...who effin does that?

So Jake Ceresna had his knee pop out on a play, gets it popped back in and he ends up needing the cart to get him off the field later in the game. And yesterday he was listed as a full participant and is available for tomorrow. Is there some place I can make a prop bet that he gets carted off again this week?

You keep saying that...name one IMPACT player that left here for any other reason than we wouldn't pay them, they went to the NFL, or our geography wasn't to their liking. Sure there are some guys that exited off the fringes of our roster for more playing time and not a single one of those guys would make an impact for us whether they stayed or not, We've lost an all star team of talent to $$$$$ and that lands squarely on KW's shoulders. I'm quite happy with the job they've done. 2 Grey Cups, and 5 straight trips to the big game. I am, however, not impressed with the job either man is currently doing.

Or what Lawler and Woli gave on scrambles...that's huge...3 guys who feasted on that gone and not replaced Demski can only do so much and teams will sit on him to bait ZC...we already have seen a ton of that last 2 yrs Clercius is learning but it's on the fly so hes gonna have hiccups...like the Pick at goaline And as we have nobody else who offers any threat it's pretty easy to take Wheatfall away as hes still learning on the fly too We are pretty handcuffed on offence...self imposed too...a guy who could help us is Mitchell as he knows where to go...sit down...recognizes when to break off a route but we using this excuse he isnt good inside..well time to coach players and scheme things to have things work...you can catch...get open...run...a pro team will find your spot...and if they can't then there is big issues 11 yrs...long time..things get stale and stop working...especially when you don't wanna believe it and change how you go about your business...after the last 2 losses there should be multiple changes..maybe a shift in who's getting reps too...and almost dumbing things down in some regards to perfect it...then install more...we are our own worst enemies...we being coaching and management

I'm not happy with the job either MOS or KW has done.

All those linebackers and can’t get arguably the best one on our active roster. Talk about irony.

Replacing a ST LB with a db is bullsh!t Walters obviously crapping the bed when we can only put 9 or 10 lbs on a game day roster

Maybe, if Streveler shows well, we could send Collaros and Kramdi to Edmonton for the Ford brothers?

Yup, the last couple of games have gone well, so no need to change anything. No one here is surprised, but just once I’d like our media to ask why there will be no changes. Do you think the roster makeup and game plans were solid the last 2 games? If yes…. So execution was the issue? Then expand on that. I know we likely won’t get straight answers, but at least pose the questions and apply a little pressure.

Make the same deal with underworked actors that Lansbury did or it's no deal https://deadline.com/2025/07/jamie-lee-curtis-confirms-murder-she-wrote-reboot-1236467923/

For people that purchase the $99 day pass, it not only includes concert series but the team party rooms and 2 days of Touchdown Manitoba.

Bryant is officially ruled out.

I just thought of a conspiracy theory. Maybe Kelly is using his own personal trainer in Buffalo because no one with the Argos want to work with him.

Well, it was nice knowing you South Park. lol

Hansen was developed here and while nobody's calling him a Willie In His Prime clone, it was pretty incredible how they drafted and developed him into what he became...

yup...and now is this directed to him to do?...if not a free lane to play contain...and look for the knockdown and rely on this scheme of us having 25 db types out there?...most times playing way too soft and passive aggressive?....I think it more that...Just look at the Grey Cup...he was basically free'd up to pay traditional end and had best game of his life....that ability is there but obviously something we are trying to do is just not translating for our ends...End is one the easiest roles to fill in CFL ....and some his frustration penalties this yr is I bet a direct result of...his frustration with how we are doing things....WJ isnt a selfish idiot....and he isnt in athletic decline, or lacks technical skills...Thats reserved for several other of the dead weight we carry but poor on retention...and those guys came from other scouting networks we no longer employ...Sadly there was a buttload of free agent dline guys we could have targeted this off-seson in FA but shoose not to, cause we had Jake..Korn..Schmeck...so we good....another short sighted move of brain deadness....didnt even try to get better...status quo cause we won a cup in 2019 and 2021...eons ago

Other than Jeffcoat, I don't believe we've found an DE worth a darn in KW's tenure. Jefferson, Westerman and Vaughters are free agent signings. DT on the other hand, Stove, Bradin Bryant, Poop Johnson, Casey Sayles, we've done all right.

yeah....4 reps.....is a real indicator..cmon man you better than that....especially when they all space out...dline guys need to get consistant and steady reps to get in game groove....Walters didnt cut...or not roster guys...blame Walters all you want but he has minimal impact on the game day doings....none actually Get off Osh's nutsac...we know you are pro Osh but he the problem more than anyone else....and as much as upi dont wanna admit it a lot of defections are not just for money.....it's the way they used here...or better yet...not

I highly recommend reading his autobiography. This guy's life was truly insane. What stood out for me was that so many good bands were coming out of England at that time - all influenced by the Beatles. Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin both from Birmingham. Ozzie got arrested at 19 for a break and enter, and his dad had the option of letting Ozzie sit in prison for six months of pay 20 pounds to get him out, and he chose to let Ozzie sit in prison to learn his lesson. Ozzie credited that decision with changing his life, and he was always thankful that his dad did that. How many parents would do that today? I would wager pretty much zero.

So if a STer can't go, you dress another rookie STer instead of say a WR/KR (Cobb) or a DE (Bailey)? Makes sense. Not.

Still 8 runs in 2 years of 20 or more. That also accounts for 204 of his 305 carries. If we gave him more usage as a runner, with better-designed run plays, I think he would do a lot better. He isn't an option runner and never has been. I don't think running option helps him. I've seen him struggle to make the right read and clean hand-offs. As have all our QBs, we might not have the right people to coach run option or maybe we just need a lot more practice. Read options for QB runs take a lot to get working smoothly. RPOs are demanding and massive time investments. He is 30 now, though, and with a couple of injuries. I don't think in general its a great idea to target runs to the secondary with qbs, but especially not at that age plus. I think the key to succesful designed QB runs up here is aiming for the side line, or delays into seams then sliding early once past the first down marker. For strevy, I think we need more play action sprint outs. RPO instead of double option runs. Put him in a spot where he throws an easy pass to a few crossers, has the back as a check down, and if the D overpursues, he can hit a cutback lane for a run. Also, a pin and pull type play with out a hand off option, primarily reading a WR and his gap for a quick screen, with a QB power option if the D overextends again. You can work back in a shovel-type play or release pass to the RB. This would have to be offset by running pin and pull handing off and throwing it. Wide zone and outside zone run schemes also leave more open for a mobile QB. tite and inside zone run schemes for running qbs only work well with twitchy make you miss in space qbs.

It doesn't have to cover 70 yds. or end in a TD to be considered a great run, in his first 2 seasons in Wpg. I fondly remember him breaking through into the secondary and rumbling for a few 15-20 yd. beauties. Those brutal runs + a fur coat is what his legend was built upon.

If we don’t get pressure and play soft coverage, look for history to repeat itself.

I’m shocked. They must not know our history against Toronto or our record in Toronto.

It would help Streve's game IF he had someone to throw to.....besides Demski and the odd toss to Wheatfall.....Our passing game is suffering big time since Kenny departed......I hope we don't see any more 'ducks' thrown near our goal line, that resulted in a quick six walk-in...Streve has to play smarter and use his running ability in certain situations.......Looks like Zack will be back in TO but I'd like to see Chris inserted more than he has been up till now, when Collaros is starting...if nothing else for a change of pace

He's never been a home run-hitting big run guy. His career YPC is 4.9, and his longest each year to date is 29, 38, 27 and 10 yards. Which isnt too far off zachs first few years in the league. Even Fajardo has 1 30+ yard run in his career. Despite the field size, we don't see monster qb runs to often up here. The nature of defences takes away those lanes and adds depth layers vs the NFL. Where as if Lamar jackson out runs the pursuit angle and beats one guy hes gone for 40 yards and a td. Strevy was also used under buck and plop like a FB. The amount of designed runs he had that where counter, wide, outside, off tackle etc, very few out side of the odd off guard short yardage push.

went to the Crankshaft comic website and Riderfans have totally taken over the comments section, what a bunch of bozos.

Yup...uphill battle...I think ZC needs to be on a short leash and Strev worked with and see if can develop...tailor the offence more to him... Done right he can I sure be more than serviceable...plus he is leas than 12 months post op....once he really back to form...maybe by late season...definitely next yr....you will see more of his old style and movement back People Can't fault the guy or be too critical of him now...hes just back from surgery...and gets tossed into game in an offence not geared to him...with sub par group of playmaker...U seen the potential first game and the offence kinda geared to him...quicker pace...ball out fast...and without BO as well...I bet if we were to have continued with that he would look even more polished...Can't write him off by any means currently....ZC tho...I dunno...he may be another good whallop when he gets back to out for yr...and it will obviously be in his head now...we already seen it when he got rattled against the Elks...jittery...panicking almost immediately..all the int's started...gonna get worse now...if he out a few games and we see progress in Strev..and tailor scheme...and personel more to him...and he getting wins...I'd roll with that until he shows its time not to in all honesty... Yes...him....payback was a biatch for that poor sap....we need more guys like that