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We would’ve been drastically better with that. I’d a had legs kick off as well. He’s very different now. 19 and 21 he played with no fear as his career had basically been over and he got amazing pass pro. Since then it’s struggled more and more and he’s played very choppy and un certain when under pressure. What’s worse when he throws from the pocket he is not able to hit his spots reliably with the poise issue. It is fixable, idk if he will fix it again at his age, or If he/we can fix it here or if we have the right person to do it.

Personally this is how I feel going into 2024. I’m not sure we have anything besides our own bird in our hand.

Also, if Strev comes back would you rather have 36 year old Zach, or a Brown/Strev combo?

What a goal by Ehlers!

Yes,it is. Nichols came in when Willy got injured. Strev came in when Nichols got injured. Collaros came in when Strev got injured.

Stamps have just as many coaches as any other team and the same budget, it's Dickenson's choice how he fills those positions.

Yes.

it's all well and good to ask Collaros to run until he gets popped and is done for the year. The only reason we've been able to keep him as healthy as he's been the past 4 years is because we surrounded him with the biggest, most protective bubble possible. I don't know if it's his own personal desire or what, but he does seem terrified to leave that pocket, even if only to scramble and try to buy time. When things start to collapse, the whole game goes to hell.

That’s not true.

Terrified? Zach wouldn't be playing pro football if he was terrified.

There's only been one firing around the league so far, that's usually the event that triggers personnel movement, limited openings, limited movement. The management cap "handcuff" has forced stability on all organizations and has given each management team time to work through their plans and prove they know what they're doing...or not. "Wasn't given enough time to implement our plan" is no longer a valid excuse.

I think to an extent the top tier coaches generally do that well. The don did it as well as any one I saw. He constantly found and replaced vets with young guys. Many of those vets still had meat on the bone and we with coach Ritchie at times made use of those vets. Old Dave was the ride or die with his guys, and that’s what crash and burned us after 2001. When vets left his teams they had nothing left. I think buonos real strength was finding great ast coaches, and developing/getting the most out of his QBs.

There's no way for any of us to know

He very well may, and for the Bombers sake I hope he does play like Crum. Like I said, it’s just a feeling I get that Brown will be a gooder. It’s his ability to stand in the pocket and hit deep/intermediate shots, without getting happy feet like Crum or going to the checkdown too fast like McCheese. I know damn well Brown is gone and Collaros stays, it’s the way the club does things, and I get the reasoning. My question: Is the trajectory of Collaros’ play, plus his salary not almost as big of a risk as going with Brown and using the extra cash to bolster the team in other areas?

Johnny, he may also play like Dustin Crum. If Brown wants to leave to play in Ottawa then I say more power to him. The money is green but the grass isn't always.

Dallas lost so tied with them for first in Central

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Atta boy Vezinabuck! First shutout of the year. Sweep the Florida trip! Also that's 5 straight wins!

It could rejuvenate the area and really clean it up. A lot of really bad/sad things happen around those tracks and under the bridge.

His last season...sure. I'm referring more to a few years earlier. Calvillo did not have a great season in 2007 - you might recall our DL feasting on him Trestman arrived in Montreal in 2008: they implemented max protect, which worked very well with Calvillo's precise passing The results speak for themselves: back to back Grey Cups

By the time the wheels fall off it is too late. You wanna go back to hunting for reasons why the Alex brinks of the world are going to save us?

I agree with everything. Love Dru Brown. But I'm still in Zach's corner and will let him lead the team until he chooses to walk away or until the wheels actually start to fall off.

Yeah this past season Brown showed me everything I needed to see. After his very first game I'd have tossed him aside cause it was awful, but he can do everything a qb should be able to and can operate a cfl offense efficiently.

The whole thing is only valid if it's a shitty team looking at brown to save the franchise. But if it were winnipeg keeping Brown... well we've seen what he does with this team in this situation and this past season it was quite frankly better than collaros. (Small sample size but it is what it is). So if the guy can succeed here it's not as risky as asking him to turn chicken **** into chicken salad.

Not many comparables to Dru Brown's first 150 passes though historically. Collaros about 30 points lower in QBR and quadruple the turnovers...was playing on defending Grey Cup champs. Reilly had half as much playing time it his first go round with BC before he was the guy in Edmonton and was about 25 points lower in QBR, again playing on a Grey Cup team. Bo Levi almost 30 points lower through same point of his career, double the turnovers again playing on 12 and 14 win teams. So the "YEAH BUT THE BOMBERS ARE AWESOME SO DRU BROWN MEANS NOTHING" argument is kind of moot in these comparisons. We might be in a CFL type of Alex Smith - Pat Mahomes situation. Obviously a lot more variables in the CFL.

We got to those cups by winning a few hands in a row against father time, but that dude is unbeaten. At some point you gotta just walk away.

Edmonton and Calgary are going to be flash points for the league very shortly. Disappointing how nonchalant Ambrosie is toward the strife in these markets. Facility issues there are huge. No use pining after a 10th market.

Why didn't keep Liegghio to do the punting and act as a back-up kicker?

Brown has put up awesome numbers off the bench and in a couple starts. Why I wouldn't even consider the notion of releasing/trading Zac and letting Brown takeover comes down to this: 1. We have no idea whether Brown can handle the adversity and pressure of being the main man. Tons of QBs have fallen apart once they go from backup to starter. 2. There is no real need to do so, as Zac was still the best QB in the league last year and there is absolutely no reason to believe he couldn't be again. The safe but also best bet is to roll with Zac. Wish Brown the best and let him know that we might be calling him someday in the future.

Things changed because of injury. It wasn't a natural progression.

No one is saying turn into Chris Streveler out there... just that when there's a wide open area use his legs and run. Make the defense account for that possibility. He got hurt screwing around behind the line of scrimmage this season. Guy like that can get hurt anywhere.

I would assume they're spending to the limits of both caps, if not, it's on Murray Edwards for chintzing out and Huff for going along with it.

"Zach Collaros is my starting qb", says Mike O'Shea as he butts into this conversation. Why are people even arguing this point? Dru Brown has played his last game asa Blue Bomber. Zach is O'Shea's guy. We all know that.

Ehlers has his jump back. Lowry playing like a C needs to. Helle a brick wall. Amazing what confidence does. Nice problem we have with Vilardi coming back.

Depends on your organizational goals and how you view the rest of the league. Do we think that this team as it’s constructed is still going to challenge for first place over the rest of Collaros’ contract? Is it more important to us to keep the current window open and try to get Grey Cups right now? Or is this roster falling short across the league and we feel that there’s potential to crack open a new window, maybe spend the next season or two reloading and aim for a separate championship window later? Bird in hand vs. two in the bush scenario.

We don't have a GM or 2 Asst GMs right now. Well, officially as of December 31st. anyway. All we have is Mike OShea running the show. The other 3 don't have contracts or the authority to redo contracts or make decisions. They're lame ducks getting paid (for now) to do little, if any work. Thanks to Randy Ambrosie & The CFL Board of Dinosaurs for the damned Admin Cap nobody wants & Wade Miller for making O'Shea The Guy.

Another thing that could be considered is that, although unlikely, maybe Walter's finds a way to make everyone happy. Good coin to brown to hang around, Collaros with the team until end of GC host year, and then take over. I know Browns mentioned he wants to be a starter but sticking around and staying in a good situation opposed to going to a loser squad might be a good play for longevity. We've seen a lot of qbs change teams for the payday and stink because the foundation wasn't there. Franklin, Arbuckle, lefors. Not saying they would have made it in a better environment but I'm not saying they wouldn't have either. As much as I love a guy like Shoen, maybe you let him go in order to keep Brown. The scouting department has done nice work in finding receivers And one last thought. Maybe just maybe strevler makes it back to the CFL and brings a one two with him and Zach. That would spell Zach in his bad stretches of play. I think there's a lot of allys to go down here and I'd say nothing, aside from collaros being a bomber, is a sure bet .. a lot of fomo going on here. And despite some questionable decisions in very recent history bombers management has made mostly sound choices. I still have a lot of faith in the decision makers

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I have no problems with Helle stealing a game. PoMo knows how he can.

I was joking... around here for years people always reference Wally Buono knowing when to cut veterans and how he can do no wrong.

CP Rail could fight that as predatory in the courts. We need to work with them to move those rail yards. 400 acres in the middle of city could create a lot more property tax revenue if it wasn't all industrial.

Cuz he lost us a Grey cup. Notice Sayles is not around... Poopkup was let go... then rejoined because piggy was garbage.

I am in a place and I think the team is still in a place where the proven vet is still worth more than unproven potential. But I 100% understand where you're coming from. And aside from our personal opinions, I also believe there is zero chance the team moves on from Zach, so there's almost no point in even considering that option if we're sitting here trying to figure out what next year's team will look like. Write #8 in pen.

But also...people who have been watching QB's forever as well as the numbers are saying this guy is special, and that's not based on the supporting cast because there are plenty of younger QB's who have been handed top teams in the league through the years. The sample size isn't really that small at this point. It's about the sample of 8 full games for a QB which is half a season. People were frothing over Reilly for half as much sample.

I believe I have seen more happy feet, critical INTs and indecision this past season than in previous ones, and that concerns me.

Collaros would help himself so much if he ran with the ball more.

I saw some very big backwards steps from collaros this season and he's at an age where that is concerning. Then you consider his salary and the impact that has had on the teams depth.... It's a conversation I don't expect the team to have but feel they should. What happens if we lose brown and collaros regressed more?

Collaros has had a lot less consistency as well as bursts this season. A few giant games and a lot of games with very mediocre production. And that's with an all-time season out of the tailback plus a guy like Schoen. I guess what they really have to drill down onto is what is him and what is the offense.

I agree. 3 red zone trips for 0 points was not great for our ability to win. My counter point to that is he still led the league in just about every category and that is with his running back getting a ton of touches unlike other QBs who were making 40 pass attempts a game. I love Brown but he has 2 games under his belt. I'm not throwing my league leading 2xMOP QB away because his understudy showed well in a very small sample size.

Well, you can weigh the pros and the cons. Up to the minute information is nice I guess. But I've decided that I don't need to be that much in the know about anything anymore. If it's important enough I'll learn about it later. I just dont think it's good for me. More of a personal decision than anything. And one I think some people could benefit from.