some interesting stuff here about an American TV deal incoming.......

 

 

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

If there are ya buts available then it's not that valid a point. 

Mike has his opinions which are not out and out wrong, but they're biased.

You can  and do 'ya but' valid points and invalid points. Biased? From you? 

Mike's opinion is valid as I feel like maybe moving on from a vet or 2 might be best (Rose)(Hardrick) but I don't make those decisions so what can I do really  

Just now, Goalie said:

Mike's opinion is valid as I feel like maybe moving on from a vet or 2 might be best (Rose)(Hardrick) but I don't make those decisions so what can I do really  

Hardrick??? He's 32 and playing some of his best football....

3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Hardrick??? He's 32 and playing some of his best football....

Ya But (thats a thing now) he's injured lots it seems and appears older than he is. Neufeld more so tho as we have guys to replace him. 

Peeps joke about Dan Clark.  Pat Neufeld is that guy. He is Dan Clark but as a bomber 

Edited February 15, 20232 yr by Goalie

3 hours ago, Mike said:

“he’s pretty good” isn’t exactly what I’m going for when we’re talking about the highest paid player in his position, but I wouldn’t even agree with that assessment, personally.

He was a step behind a ton of plays and as it was happening, everyone chalked it up to “well he’s just covering for other people so they’re using him differently” and to me, he just looked slow and a step behind. He was probably the most constant offender on our entire D when it came to whiffed arm tackles. He averaged 4 tackles a game and didn’t really contribute a whole lot else, which is not what I’m looking for from a top level MLB. Yes, I get he can drop back in coverage and give different looks, but so can a guy who can fly around a bit more and have a little more impact on the field. Part of me wonders if O’Shea sees a reflection of himself in Bighill, the decline in overall play has been very similar to what O’Shea saw when his time was coming to an end. 

 

Mike, realistically just who did he have playing in front of Bighill & Wilson stopping the run? We had no pressure from the interior of the DL on opposition qbs  nor did we have a true gap run stopper like we did in 2021. Biggie had his pass responsibilities & then had to step up to also stop the run. The guy was gassed & beat up by mid season. We didn't have Steve Richardson to take care of things in 2022. He caused a lot of havoc inside & with Jeffcoat & Jefferson, OLs had real problems blocking all 3.

I was hoping we'd address ou r biggest weakness on the team in free agency but we haven't so far. It's no coincidence there was a lot of injuries & sub par play at the linebacker & secondary positions. With no interior pass rush & the ability to stop the run the back end of any defense suffers. 

7 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

You can  and do 'ya but' valid points and invalid points. Biased? From you? 

Give it a rest. You just suck the life out of this place. 

Biggie looked done to me tho. Like does the non existing valid point defensive tackle make biggie look slower or miss more tackles or just generally be a step behind? At times last season I thought Biggie was done for good. 

9 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Biggie looked done to me tho. Like does the non existing valid point defensive tackle make biggie look slower or miss more tackles or just generally be a step behind? At times last season I thought Biggie was done for good. 

Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. 

Edited February 15, 20232 yr by SpeedFlex27

4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. 

Don't think Sayles was the answer ...he definitely wasn't a Richardson...I think we still need a tough nose tackle .....which I believe is still on Walters agenda

Was O'Day sleeping?

 

21 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Was O'Day sleeping?

 

You're allowed to trade players? Whoa! - O'Day (probably)

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

I believe he's been in the NFL already. I'm not sure that window is still open for him. 

 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

106k Canadian....far cry from 160k....and his NFL window is non existent any more...that ship has long sailed away.

What you or I think about his chances and what he thinks about his chances may not align. 

Also the absolute max the XFL  runs is 3 months and the CFL 6. 
 

Factor that into the salary 

Edited February 16, 20232 yr by Geebrr

4 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

 

What you or I think about his chances and what he thinks about his chances may not align. 

Also the absolute max the XFL  runs is 3 months and the CFL 6. 
 

Factor that into the salary 

the season is shorter yeah...then what...u not being paid.....and really as a player they dont look at that as any factor in it...they look at the $ per yr....that and only that

 

He could immediately sign with a CFL team 

Micah Awe is still playing. 
 

Sankey would find a roster 

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Stopping the run is a physical thing. Sure MLB's are supposed to do that. But having someone like a Steve Richardson there helps Biggie. Takes a lot of chances for injuries away. if we solve out interior DL issues we;ll win another Grey Cup. If not, we could be runner ups again. Window of opportunity to win it all closes fast. 

It could be a difficult problem to solve with no money to do so, looks like any improvement may come down to prospects brought to camp.  I'm not convinced Ricky Walker can fill Sayles shoes.

Edited February 16, 20232 yr by Fatty Liver

He could take a month off and still get on a CFL roster 

Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? 

1 minute ago, JCon said:

Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? 

That's my understanding 

2 minutes ago, JCon said:

Unless things have changed, are XFL contracts not 2 year deals? No out unless it's NFL? 

I honestly don’t follow it at all so you could be right. If it is - then he is nuts. 

Kyle Walter's presser was a pretty good listen.

He talked about how the Nationalized American rule didn't really play into how they are building the roster.

He mentioned they are going to bring in QBs to compete for the short yardage job. These are going to be a different group than what would be competing to be Zach's backup.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/02/14/kyle-walters-february-14-2023/

Dammit wrong thread

Edited February 16, 20232 yr by WinnipegGordo

On 2023-02-14 at 12:37 PM, Geebrr said:

At that price tag he damn well better. Don’t you think, @DTonOB? That is DMOP cash for a six sack player + a subjective statistic  like “pressures”

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.

I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.

We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 

Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 

A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

Orimolade made Stanely Bryant look average at times last year

7 hours ago, DTonOB said:

Oh, at $240K (the highest for a defensive end) I think you're right that  people will expect big sacks and league awards.

I think consistently getting QB pressure is a better predictor of sacks than sacks themselves. Sacks are fickle.

We credited Orimolade with 10 sacks last season (including playoffs). 8 of those he beat his blocker(s) quickly--'Wins' as we label them. That was 2nd-best in the league. 

Shawn Lemon had 14 sacks, but we judged only 6 to be Wins. 6 of his were cleaning up someone else's work or Pursuit sacks (ie. QB gets flushed and he chases him a long distance). Wins are the ones I truly care about 

A huge part of why I would have paid Orimolade he'll be 27 at Grey Cup. The rest of the top-10 in QB pressures average 31 years old this season.

I agree that pressures are the better indicator, it just varies from one person to the next as to what a pressure is. 
 

Beating someone clean, sure we can usually pretty easily identify that. I think pressures may be a bit more nuanced to know what everybody’s duty on the play was. 

Or, if it is more simple- why isn’t it an official statistic?

FYI- I think Orimolade is a good player trending upwards. So, don’t take this as a devaluation of his ability. 
 

How is he against the run? His tackle numbers seem solid enough. 

 

Edited February 16, 20232 yr by Geebrr

1 hour ago, Jpan85 said:

Orimolade made Stanely Bryant look average at times last year

among others.....also the shittiest of shitty can make anyone look average at any time too...which means jack diddly

18 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

It's fun watching Mike make valid points and the usual suspects replying with 'ya buts'. 

I am sure he cherishes your support.

17 hours ago, Goalie said:

Biggie looked done to me tho. Like does the non existing valid point defensive tackle make biggie look slower or miss more tackles or just generally be a step behind? At times last season I thought Biggie was done for good. 

Biggie looked done how exactly? Because he didn't have 100 tackles? I would suggest you look at his usage last year. He was playing an almost hybrid MLB/S role. Not to mention that Richie Hall's defence always takes a pass elimination first priority that quite often gets us gashed against the run. I will say it before, and I will say it again, in the CFL if all you have on offence is the run you aren't going to win many games. Doesn't matter if you do it successfully. We could give up 100 yards rushing every game for all I care, as long as we keep teams to 250 yards or less passing.  In this scenario, we will win most if not all of those games.

It is why Biggie is dropped into coverage a ton by Hall. When you are in coverage you aren't racking up tackles. It's why I found it laughable when people were suggesting that Sankey was a better MLB than Biggie and people got hot at me for saying they were dead wrong about that. Sankey was a one trick pony, and lacked the overall skills needed for his position but if you pair him with an all star WIL he can be effective. The GMs around the league seem to agree with my assessment and now he will take that skill to the XFL.

Edited February 16, 20232 yr by GCn20