Stickem Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 (edited) A lot on here were, as far back as pre training camp last year, were aware of the fact that we needed a true nose tackle...It was mentioned on this site ad nauseam...The average fan could see it, yet we brought in very little talent to compete for the job....Adequate is not acceptable when your goal is a Cup win....We have to unearth another 'Stove', who can plug up the middle and put mega pressure on the qb.....Glaring weakness last year and we paid for it...I hope management has awakened to the problem and brings in some serious competition and quit farting around Edited January 21 by Stickem Dr Zaius, rebusrankin, BigBlueFanatic and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Stickem said: A lot on here were, as far back as pre training camp last year, were aware of the fact that we needed a true nose tackle...It was mentioned on this site ad nauseam...The average fan could see it, yet we brought in very little talent to compete for the job....Adequate is not acceptable when your goal is a Cup win....We have to unearth another 'Stove', who can plug up the middle and put mega pressure on the qb.....Glaring weakness last year and we paid for it...I hope management has awakened to the problem and brings in some serious competition and quit farting around I don't think it's that they don't recognize it, it's just that players like Stove and Nevis don't grow on trees and the USFL/XFL were making it harder to recruit. I'm hopeful this year sees more US recruits coming north. MOBomberFan and Jesse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Stickem said: A lot on here were, as far back as pre training camp last year, were aware of the fact that we needed a true nose tackle...It was mentioned on this site ad nauseam...The average fan could see it, yet we brought in very little talent to compete for the job....Adequate is not acceptable when your goal is a Cup win....We have to unearth another 'Stove', who can plug up the middle and put mega pressure on the qb.....Glaring weakness last year and we paid for it...I hope management has awakened to the problem and brings in some serious competition and quit farting around In reality we have little idea of what Fox can contribute as he was given so few opportunities to perform last season. If they decide to roll with Walker and Fox this season, I'm not going lose sleep worrying the coaching staff doesn't have a clue what they're doing. Jesse and Noeller 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyAbonny Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 I think we have a pretty good idea of what Fox would add. He was really able to push the pocket that last game in Calgary. You could see significantly more pressure up the middle when he and Lawson were on the field. Noeller, BigBlueFanatic, bigg jay and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Forgot about Fox... He's absolutely a guy I want to see starting regularly this year. Hope he comes into camp fired up. JohnnyAbonny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Noeller said: Forgot about Fox... He's absolutely a guy I want to see starting regularly this year. Hope he comes into camp fired up. AND he gets a heckuva lot more reps......I also thought Fox was looking pretty good and then was pretty much shelved...I know you have to go with experience and the newer players are put on the backburner but I think we've seen enough of Fox to give him a substantial look right off the bat ...He's a gooder Tracker, Noeller and JohnnyAbonny 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 He looked good in the game early in yr too...He's active and powerfull....Plus he was used on ST's too....guy should have been in lineup all yr JohnnyAbonny, rebusrankin, Noeller and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Stickem said: A lot on here were, as far back as pre training camp last year, were aware of the fact that we needed a true nose tackle...It was mentioned on this site ad nauseam...The average fan could see it, yet we brought in very little talent to compete for the job....Adequate is not acceptable when your goal is a Cup win....We have to unearth another 'Stove', who can plug up the middle and put mega pressure on the qb.....Glaring weakness last year and we paid for it...I hope management has awakened to the problem and brings in some serious competition and quit farting around We can only hope that a change of DC's will result in a change of philosophy. I mean, if Hall kept telling Osh we need a NT after 2 years you'd think that he would have asked Walters to get it done. So, Hall might've said that we didn't need one. It has been frustrating watching our defense losing it's toughness. Especially when other teams could fill that position but we never did. rebusrankin, Jesse and TBURGESS 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Fox in limited time (Calgary game especially) looked like he could provide more of a push from the DT spot. Can't recall how he is as a run stopper. We do need a DT upgrade however. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We can only hope that a change of DC's will result in a change of philosophy. I mean, if Hall kept telling Osh we need a NT after 2 years you'd think that he would have asked Walters to get it done. So, Hall might've said that we didn't need one. It has been frustrating watching our defense losing it's toughness. Especially when other teams could fill that position but we never did. It's mostly the ratio keeping Fox off the field, if they had the ability to play 2 import DT's instead of 2 Natl. DT's, he'd see a lot more reps. They need to find that Natl. DE that can make an impact this year to open up more flexibility on the D-line. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 32 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: It's mostly the ratio keeping Fox off the field, if they had the ability to play 2 import DT's instead of 2 Natl. DT's, he'd see a lot more reps. They need to find that Natl. DE that can make an impact this year to open up more flexibility on the D-line. And this is what a lot of us have been talking about, re: improper use of ratio. Haba and Fox.... Get those boys on the field, whatever it takes.... EVEN IF... GOD FORBID... WE HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE NAVY SEAL WHO WAS A WALK ON EVERYWHERE HES EVER BEEN.... (hot take, hot take...) rebusrankin and BigBlueFanatic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Noeller said: And this is what a lot of us have been talking about, re: improper use of ratio. Haba and Fox.... Get those boys on the field, whatever it takes.... EVEN IF... GOD FORBID... WE HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE NAVY SEAL WHO WAS A WALK ON EVERYWHERE HES EVER BEEN.... (hot take, hot take...) You unpatriotic sonofab... rebusrankin, Jesse, BigBlueFanatic and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 34 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said: It's mostly the ratio keeping Fox off the field, if they had the ability to play 2 import DT's instead of 2 Natl. DT's, he'd see a lot more reps. They need to find that Natl. DE that can make an impact this year to open up more flexibility on the D-line. They played Stove (there's that name again) with Jefferson & Jeffcoat before so it can be done. We play with 8 Canadians now so if the team wanted they could make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, JCon said: You unpatriotic sonofab... JCon, bb1 and Noeller 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, JCon said: You unpatriotic sonofab... He's also a certified Jake hater! JCon and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said: mostly the ratio keeping Fox off the field Bullshit, they started 8 or 9 Canadians most of the year. Was a lot of easy ways to get another American DL on the roster. rebusrankin, Piggy 1, SpeedFlex27 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Bullshit, they started 8 or 9 Canadians most of the year. Was a lot of easy ways to get another American DL on the roster. Yep, that's right. We had flexibility last season. They chose not to play Fox. It was a roster decision that was a head scratcher. Boo yah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 We all know how any useful important American could have made the roster...any one that wasn't a wasted FB TrueBlue4ever, Piggy 1, BigBlueFanatic and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 21 Author Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Noeller said: And this is what a lot of us have been talking about, re: improper use of ratio. Haba and Fox.... Get those boys on the field, whatever it takes.... EVEN IF... GOD FORBID... WE HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE NAVY SEAL WHO WAS A WALK ON EVERYWHERE HES EVER BEEN.... (hot take, hot take...) Imagine if we recruit a few studs who show well in traininc camp and O'Shea ends up cutting them and keeping the Navy Seal? Noeller, ddanger and Tracker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 27 minutes ago, Brandon said: Imagine if we recruit a few studs who show well in traininc camp and O'Shea ends up cutting them and keeping the Navy Seal? Booch will go postal.... Piggy 1 and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Noeller said: Booch will go postal.... Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Brandon said: Imagine if we recruit a few studs who show well in traininc camp and O'Shea ends up cutting them and keeping the Navy Seal? Or draft a fullback/RB type who has done that job all his life and can contribute in ST's I've already accepted the fact based on a few things Osh has said...and what I have heard via certain people/channels that more head shaking stupidity will continue...Unless Walters takes the options away...or actually plays Boss ...as that's what he is...tail has started to shake the dog a bit...maybe now he has a 2 yr deal he will assert himself more SpeedFlex27, TrueBlue4ever and rebusrankin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) 4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We can only hope that a change of DC's will result in a change of philosophy. I mean, if Hall kept telling Osh we need a NT after 2 years you'd think that he would have asked Walters to get it done. So, Hall might've said that we didn't need one. It has been frustrating watching our defense losing it's toughness. Especially when other teams could fill that position but we never did. Whatever Jesse. No matter what I say you roll your eyes. Why don't you step up & challenge what I say? Edited January 22 by SpeedFlex27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Whatever Jesse. No matter what I say you roll your eyes. Why don't you step up & challenge what I say? tell me about it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 Just now, SpeedFlex27 said: Whatever Jesse. No matter what I say you roll your eyes. Why don't you step up & challenge what I say instead of taking the chicken **** way out?? 🙄 I have. Along with others, you just kinda keep repeating the same thing. You just seem to think we should be able to fill every roster spot with all stars and it's simply not possible. DT is a position that, for a number of years now, we need a guy playing on a minimum contract. Each guy we've played there has out played that contract and moved on via FA. Walters is continually scouting the position, will likely replace Walker with Fox and scout the guy who's going to replace Fox in 1 to 2 years. If that guy happens to be a huge guy who makes the all star team and appeases all of you, great. But he'll likely be gone via FA the next year anyway. 1 minute ago, Booch said: tell me about it lol Same thing with you Booch. People do challenge what you say, (not necessarily the content, but that grand blanket statements that everything is exactly the way you say it is, all the time, with no room for variation) but then you just tell everyone they don't know what they're talking about and start firing off insults. People don't like the insults? Then you take your ball and go home. bluedawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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