Tracker Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) RE: Waggoner- a first rounder who cannot make it off the special teams roster in two years has to be considered a bad pick, but that's the nature of the draft process- legalized gambling, really. Too bad he didn't come to that conclusion a month ago. RE: Apodaca what an arm- very much like Dunigan in his prime, only without Dunigan's wheels. Edited May 12, 2017 by tracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Yeah took a glance at the misses in the first round over the past 5 years and the size of that pool is freaking massive. Too bad i liked what he brought on teams and would have liked to see what he could do in reps. That arm, wow. Gets rid of the ball quickly too, and a good athlete. Hes like an athletic MBT, but young enough to be a reasonable developmental guy. http://www.accac.org/sports/fball/2014-15/players/austinapodacalkag?view=profile Mesa community college seems to be his largest sample size post hs. 233/394- 59.1% - 2534 yards - 27 tds - 9 ints. 0 sacks wow. Looks to be a good prospect, good arm, athletic ability and composure. 4th on the ladder so he's a decent replacement for Bennett. wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, tracker said: RE: Waggoner- a first rounder who cannot make it off the special teams roster in two years has to be considered a bad pick, but that's the nature of the draft process- legalized gambling, really. Too bad he didn't come to that conclusion a month ago. RE: Apodaca what an arm- very much like Dunigan in his prime, only without Dunigan's wheels. Really not, especially for a guy who played 2 years. If any thing labels him a bust its only playing 2 years. Look at what most of the top of that draft class has done in the cfl and look what waggoner has done. Better wheels then dunigan for sure. Dunigan was more buck esq in his era. Now dunigans heart, football instincts, accuracy, and especially leadership are another matter. Noeller and Nickthesizz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, wbbfan said: Really not, especially for a guy who played 2 years. If any thing labels him a bust its only playing 2 years. Look at what most of the top of that draft class has done in the cfl and look what waggoner has done. Better wheels then dunigan for sure. Dunigan was more buck esq in his era. Now dunigans heart, football instincts, accuracy, and especially leadership are another matter. That's kind of what I was thinking too... if he was a great special teams player for 10 years and captioned the group, etc... I would definitely not consider that a bust... wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, bearpants said: That's kind of what I was thinking too... if he was a great special teams player for 10 years and captioned the group, etc... I would definitely not consider that a bust... "My Teammates" wbbfan and Atomic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Noeller said: "My Teammates" haha football made easy. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, bearpants said: To say he was a bust doesn't mean he was totally useless... to draft a guy in the first round who looks like he could be a starter... and he ends up being a good special teamer for only two years.... that's a bust... sure, had some nice contributions, but the bar is set higher for first round picks... Not going to bother dwelling on it... but I wonder if that would've changed the team's mind on (one of the) Herdman(s) in the 5th or 6th round knowing we were losing Waggoner... Honestly don't understand how the Herdman's factor in. Athletically they are both borderline CFLers. The Bombers retained Hurl, signed Miles, drafted Conteh, signed Mike Miller. They are covered. SPuDS and wbbfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthesizz Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Looks to be a good prospect, good arm, athletic ability and composure. 4th on the ladder so he's a decent replacement for Bennett. scouts probably had their eyes on this guy for a while which made Bennett expendable. Kid can definitely run, 4.7 at his Height and size is not a bad time by any means. Edited May 12, 2017 by Gotmilt wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Lame news on Waggoner and it's a shame he never panned out considering the cost, but it is what it is. Best of luck off the field! Nice to see more 2017 draft picks get signed as well as another QB. TC is just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Sucks about Waggoner considering the OL we missed out on due to that selection. Fred C Dobbs and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: Sucks about Waggoner considering the OL we missed out on due to that selection. Good thing we're allowed imports. rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred C Dobbs Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, rebusrankin said: Sucks about Waggoner considering the OL we missed out on due to that selection. We could have had Singleton with that pick. rebusrankin, Tracker and JCon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Gotmilt said: scouts probably had their eyes on this guy for a while which made Bennett expendable. Kid can definitely run, 4.7 at his Height and size is not a bad time by any means. Watching him run, hes really a first step/burst guy. Not a long strider. Which is even better at QB then a guy who runs 4.4 but relies on break away speed. Id say watching him he plays faster then 4.7 though he didnt seem like a great fit in the triple option. 40 minutes ago, Fred C Dobbs said: We could have had Singleton with that pick. Could've. Almost certainly would not have though. Calgary was just miles a head of every one else in scouting him. Like we were with loffler. I really think we would have gotten the same 2 just higher up. That said we dont have the best record with supplemental guys. Its even more of a gamble then the draft. But as bad as our NI talent was at that point I dont blame them for grabbing a here and now guy rather then waiting a year. If a guy in the supplemental can make your team I think you are virtually allways better off taking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 19 hours ago, Blueandgold said: Waggoner is a mediocre player and is no big loss. How bad of a selection that was has really gone under the radar around here. Yes it has. I'm curious also about his roster bonus he likely collected before he retired too. Seems retirements are more funny and discussion worthy when they happen elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 You know the season is close when the rider fans start coming out of their holes. wbbfan, Blueandgold, Fred C Dobbs and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildPath Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Hopefully this water business Waggoner is retiring for isn't like one of those dumb multi-level marketing online businesses like the Kangen water stuff. Ugh, so annoying seeing someone turn their fb into an online-business and continually posting dumb **** about their revolutionary products. Noeller, Jesse and Judd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Ripper said: Yes it has. I'm curious also about his roster bonus he likely collected before he retired too. Seems retirements are more funny and discussion worthy when they happen elsewhere The ratio of Rider retirees to Bomber retirees is 20 to 1 so its still amusing. Mr Dee, WildPath, SPuDS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, 17to85 said: You know the season is close when the rider fans start coming out of their holes. Its a cave, not a hole.. That is all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, 17to85 said: You know the season is close when the rider fans start coming out of their holes. They do have to come up for air once in a while. What with, what seems to be weekly, Jone's missteps and transgressions. I'm interested to see if a weekly newsletter will be put out to deal exclusively with his continuing deeds. Seems this song would have been appropriate.... ME AND MR JONES The Riders and Mr. JonesThey've got a thing goin'onThey both know that it's wrongBut it's much too strongTo let it go now They meet every day at the internet cafeSix-thirty and no one knows he'll be thereFlipping coins and making all kinds of plansWhile the juke box plays his favourite songs The fans gotta be extra carefulThat they don't build their hopes up too highBecause he ignores his obligationsAnd the fans turn a blind eye. The Riders and Mr. Jones They've got a thing goin'on They both know that it's wrong But Mr Jones, he don't care If he let's the fans down (With apologies to the original writers of this song...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 anyone know why forums.bluebombers.com is down ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, M.O.A.B. said: anyone know why forums.bluebombers.com is down ? This place is far superior. Edited May 13, 2017 by SpeedFlex27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 21 hours ago, Blueandgold said: Waggoner is a mediocre player and is no big loss. How bad of a selection that was has really gone under the radar around here. We gave up our 1st round pick in 16 after we selected him in the 2015 Supplemental Draft. Considering what he contributed, I wouldn't call him a total bust but a wasted pick instead. Not worth forfeiting the second overall pick in the CFL Draft. We need to stay away from the supplemental draft, first Poblah & now Waggoner. The Classic, Mr Dee and TBURGESS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: This place is far superior. I dont really care which is superior or not. As long as it is Bombers discussion. Are you a Riders fan? Cause only Riders fan has that mentality. Hello we are superior than you! ? Edited May 13, 2017 by M.O.A.B. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said: We gave up our 1st round pick in 16 after we selected him in the 2015 Supplemental Draft. Considering what he contributed, I wouldn't call him a total bust but a wasted pick instead. Not worth forfeiting the second overall pick in the CFL Draft. We need to stay away from the supplemental draft, first Poblah & now Waggoner. What's the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) On 5/13/2017 at 1:27 PM, Floyd said: What's the difference Reasonable expectations. Some guys get picked high either due to hype, extreme reaches, or weak drafts. A guy like jamarcus russell isnt a bust like ryan leaf. Russell was a horrible pick. A guy like ki jana carter is different because he just suffered some freak injuries and was never able to stay healthy. Same with bo jackson. Waggoner was that type to, was a good pro, never really got much of a chance to play on D and retired before he could. No chance he was gonna take a job from one of our starters last year. We had super weak NI talent and needed help right away. We got it from him, but only on teams. Not so much a bust, as a disappointment imop. Edited May 15, 2017 by wbbfan Fred C Dobbs and SpeedFlex27 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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