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you’ve got it wrong. it’s not about winning, it’s about effort and quality of team on the field. The on field product is embarrassing. We could have a worse record but better engagement if the team was losing close, nail biting good games. if they were playing physical and smart football. from the coaching to the players, the quality is apathetic and fans are matching that.

Nah, we've sat through many losing seasons so that's not it

oh I agree....coach is control of who see's the field...and how often...but also needs to have the ability to recognize the 45 best players to keep...and he sucks at that...even if Walter's has supplied sub par guys...which I totally dont see as the case...he still picks the poorer of them anyway...what he see's/values/prioritizes in a player in a lot of circumstances doesnt translate into the best available...let alone some instances even worthy...so it wouldnt matter I think what the scouts bring in..He's flawed in his assessing, not to mention self admitting he doesnt really have a good grasp of the x and o's part of things as well....not a good mix for a HC And I agree...Walter's needs to be a G.M and be in charge...and if his HC doesn't like it...so be it...But when you have buddies in those 2 positions...you get what we see now If Walter's refuses...or just cant make the big boy decisions he needs to go..We already know Osh cant...

Bombers are less than halfway through the season but the last two games have been annoying haven't helped them. With Hamilton and Ottawa the way they are there will almost certainly be a crossover team from the west. Two late game collapses have made it harder than it should be. They need to beat Calgary at home to have the tiebreaker against them, and beat BC away by 17 points to have the tiebreaker there. Giving up 15 points in a minute inside the 3 morning warning definitely sucked when you only have a home and home against a divisional team.

As another long time STH, I have zero excitement about going to games and for the first time, I'm debating on whether or not I'll be renewing. When the coaches, players and front office don't seem to care, why should I?

Nobody is forgetting anything - you're acting like losing is ancient history when in reality we didn't get above .500 at PAS until the 2021 season. We had a record of 31 wins and 32 losses from 2013 through 2020 (the first 4 years there were particularly brutal) so anybody who's had ST's for a while is fully aware of the highs and the lows.

Losing is one thing, and inevitable. Getting humiliated and setting a record for futility at home is another, and that is what costs you fan support

Yeah it's not losing, it losing and shrugging their shoulders about it and not doing anything to improve.

It's getting used to winning every single home game and then NOT winning... People are like "WTF??? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WIN EVERY GAME!!" Now don't get me wrong... Things have been **** this year. That last game vs BC was embarrassing. But... The fan base is absolutely spoiled rotten... Only Child levels of spoiled.

We have coaches that pretty much refuse to make changes to who is playing unless forced by injury so i would reserve some judgement on the GM at this point. The lack of accountability on the field is the #1 issue for this team right now.

I think we all agree that both Osh and KW are at fault. I do lean towards the GM slightly more. Even if Osh picks some favourites over more talented other options, I still think the GM has to find some talent that is clearly better than the other options. We haven't had a true impact WR, DE, DT, OL brought in by KW in years. Dalton Schoen I guess is one. Ones that come in and are so much more talented that even Osh can't deny it. Other teams find them every year. I think the problem is Osh is picking from a selection of C to B level talent, and he then leans towards intangibles.

we already hit the iceburg...we been listing and taking on water for a few yrs now as we slowly sink....but the total plunge to bottom is imminent if things dont get patched up pronto You are 100 percent correct...the G.M can clip a player at anytime...for any reason he see's fit..and the HC can deal with it ...same with bringing in guys...Walter's needs to take more control and not let Osh keep fertilizing the rot

if ZC is back...I'd let him call his own plays for most part...he's a vet...will have feel for whats going on....and have TC "suggest" some things on occasion People under this belief that a QB needs to be led by the nose...not true...especially for a guy like ZC..Harris...BLM...Adams...I'd even say Rourke too now

Here is what I want out of this team; Set a high tone for physicality on the first kick of the game, and at least match the other team's level of physicality for the whole game. They don't have to win the physical battles, but they have to make each battle physical, and make the other team pay a toll to win the ones they take. Run it out, from the back side of plays, busted contain/coverage, big plays, long plays, every play. No jogging it out once you lose the angle, no quiting on plays. Care as much, if not more, about the snaps you lose as the snaps you win. Lots of celebrating small victories, but the care for getting beat seems gone very quickly if it ever sets in at all. Don't take any thing laying down. If the other team punches us in the mouth, we gotta get up and swing back. I don't mean literally fighting; I mean answering spikes in intensity/physicality/momentum, etc. Competent, professional football fundamentals. Taking a bad angle, overpursuing, driving for a hit with no immediate backup, throwing a limp-arm tackle when the guy doesn't have an angle on you, catching most of the catchable footballs, etc. If we did that, and won 6 games and missed the playoffs this year, we would be a good bad team. With a future brighter than our present. That would be a team anyone could be proud of. Without doing those things, no matter what our record, our future is dimmer than the present. That is the corner all teams must round before starting to become an actual good team. Not an underachieving team that is old and soft, hoping each week that the other team will out-underperform them.

I mean Wilson moves the needle if we're just talking about receivers.... And maybe we've had other guys who can move the needle there but don't get the chance because our team has decided to make our offense feature 3 Canadian receivers. This is pretty much the entire point that gets argued... Unless there's a void where no vet can fill it rookies don't get a chance on this team.

Since you seem to have all the answers as to how fans should act - how should we voice our displeasure in a noticeable and meaningful way?

Nailed it. At some point, you have to look to Wade miller as well. He keeps seeing the same situations play out over and over, that walters/mos either can't or won't miss hitting the same pitfalls, and the onus falls to him to act. Yep. No one is held accountable, so no one really cares anymore. You see that in the incredible lack of hustle, discipline, and basic unit execution(Catching, tackling, etc).

just cause a training camp cut doesn't get "immediately" picked up elsewhere means jackshit...All the other teams have put time and money into their own scouting....some of it yrs in making and will exhaust that first. It's a slap in the face to your scouts to disregard their work and do that...One of the key reasons we lost our young guru..Sure he had some ties to Goviea....but he could have easily been retained, but said eff it..I going where I know my work will be put to good use

Incidents are often happenstance and unpredictable. Patterns and trends are what count, and neither flatter the Bombers.

We've seen WAY WORSE than we're currently seeing... But people have forgotten what that's like. It's been too much winning for too long. It's been taken for granted.

I agree...not like we brought in nobodies...non college players...dudes new to the sport....most if not all have had NFL stints of some type...were on other CFL squads...came from legit schools with better coaching than a lot of CFL teams employ....the issue here with this coaching crew...mainly the lead of the HC is ability to assess...recognize and then utilize talent...or coach them up...we see it on a game to game basis how we are literally out coached...unprepared...unable to adjust until its too late and have guys in wrong positions natural to them....wasnt an issue when we had studs...CFL experienced in their prime...before that we had retreads and guys past their prime...and last several seasons again guys past their prime...others well on their way to being at that point...and quite a few with no business being on a roster let alone starting...and only so due to being here a while...all the while nobody in the wings being coached up and developed...

dog rescues can absolutely help get dogs into good loving homes. a lot of rescue dogs would be great pets but need some rehab before they're ready to go home with their forever families. Plus a good dog rescue/foster will vet the adoptees so that the dude who lives in an apartment and works away from home 70 hours a week doesn't get the husky puppy that will be miserable, mean, and loud if it's not running laps 24/7. yes, I would rather talk about imaginary dog rescues than football right now. maybe the General board needs a "post your pet" thread to lighten things up.

The bigger issue will be how much ticket sales drop going forward, starting next year. I've had season tickets for 25+ years and I can tell you I'm not excited about the games this year. Anecdotally was talking to another long time ST holder recently who said the same thing and about how many games he'd given his tickets away for.

Miller is responsible for all this. he could have made changes but he didn't. I don't like the Old Boys Club our team has become. As I said, what this team needs more than anything is a 4-14 season. That way, Miller would be forced to deal with the malaise & laziness we see now. These guys aren't hungry anymore. I think they feel they have nothing to prove anymore as a GM & Head Coach combo. They're happy with the status quo. As long as we win 9 or 10 games a year & make the playoffs then everything is fine & I hate that.

All this talk of releasing players and clipping this dude and that is all great and all... if you have the Scout talent to get you the horses you need to compete in the top bracket. I don't think we have the scouting talent anymore. The last of our good recruits dried up with the departure of Ringmaiden.

Who is on the field is up to the coaches. Who they get to pick from is up to the GM. If guys have been here too long, or don't belong, that is 100% on Kyle. GMs all over the league make decisions that their coaches don't like all the time. For some reason KW doesn't seem to get that.

I thought you were going to meet me at the Clandeboye store for cash payment upon return?

Kyle can release players also. And he’s the guy who brings them in. He can do anything even if it pisses O’Shea off. And at this point, it’s time someone rocked the boat cuz the iceberg is coming up and they don’t see it. The complacency seems to be real here with the Trinity. Gotta include Wade who can literally do anything also if he so pleases. He can rock the boat occasionally also. Hasn’t in some time.

No, you can't.

I'd add that if he's your No. 3, you are in a great spot, at No. 3. Overall, it's possible (and the reality currently) that it's not a good spot to be in. It certainly does hurt him that Demski and White are very similar in terms of weaknesses and what they provide, which isn't on him. I've not been too bullish on Pokey; he kind of overachieves and got really far based on 3 big games as a rookie. He's been far more consistent this year in terms of production, though that has come at the cost of efficiency. He was at 9.77 yards per target as a rookie, 10.6 when he came back last year, and is down to 8.5 yards per target this year. He's put up outings of 7.42 YPA and 4.26 YPA. But he is also close to matching his rookie totals for YAC this year already. The question is, can he do more with fewer attempts? Because he is getting almost 8 targets a game. Philpot and Snead are putting up 12 YPA on 10 and 8.5 attempts per game, respectively. Wheatfall is pulling down 10.37YPA with a 67% catch rate on 4.11 attempts per game. The 60.3% completion rate to Wilson is really killing him.

I've sat through Reinbold, Daley, Burke and this just stinks. Losing and being inept and not entertaining at all is no fun. When the team and players act like they don't care and management and coaching is arrogant and dismissive of concerns, its a huge turnoff.

If pokey is your 3 you're in a great spot. He is at worst a solid #2. But you can't have all of the same type as him. We just don't have a lot of. Variety in our top guys.

Whatever...if a true blue chipper is dumped sure...the rest..all basically of same ilk..u just can't admit osh is a horrible evaluation guy

Aside from roster management, one of the biggest disappointments with talent is that we are really getting the least out of a whole lot of guys. No, but that accusation is very RF board-esque. We all know every stadium that sees high attendance has a good chunk of fair-weather fans. While the dynasty has for sure cemented many new hardcore fans, it has brought in 100x more casual bandwagon jumpers. I mean, how many of the Rum Hut guys are there for the Rum Hut and GD experience, not the game itself? We got 3 good/solid 3s, 1 guy who could become a 3, and 1 guy with a pulse in the WR core. Not too many sets of hands top to bottom, and most wouldn't have been able to ride the Dragon at Fun Mountain with out some one turning a blind eye.

Wilson is meh. WR3 on a championship team. No defensive coordinator in the CFL is game planning to stop Pokey Wilson. And that's the best our GM and scouting staff have come up with.

This post proves @Noeller point.

I hate to say this, but bailing on season tickets at this point is a very Rider "fans" thing to do.

Look it's happening right across the league because of one year contracts. Nobody is coaching up players anymore. I'm not going to defend the errors of MOS that make a bad situation worse, but anyone thinking that he is holding back talent is mistaken. We are not seeing year one development of players anymore league wide. Talent needs to come in and push down the door. We haven't seen it happen in quite some time. What do you mean IF Walters can't make the big boy decisions? He has clearly proven he can't. There isn't another GM in this league that doesn't save their coaches from themselves except for the guys wearing both hats and how does that turn out. NOT GOOD. Coaches and GM think differently and it's the GM's job to actually think differently and not be in lock step all the time with the coach. A GM cannot have the same biases on roster construction as the coach otherwise the pendulum will ALWAYS swing too far in one direction. There are very few coaches that make good GMs and vice versa and there is a reason for that.

Totally agree. The leadership in the locker room is bupkus right now. Completely agree. The only area we have been finding talent consistently is in the secondary. Other than that, with the exception of Schoen, we have not been able to recruit any IMPs that move the needle whatsoever. Like nothing. 1 guy in the last 5 years. That's horrible. If any of our cuts went elsewhere and been an impact player I could blame it on coaching but they haven't . Not a single one, and before anyone jumps in and says that other teams cuts aren't brought in either and become impact players, OH YES THEY HAVE. All teams go over other teams cuts and many are added to other teams across the league and eventually become really good players. That's how we got Kenny Lawler ffs. Don't give me this crap that MOS blew up their career by not selecting them out of TC.

I think that if you have two players of basically equal talent ANY coach is going to go with intangibles and experience. Our young guys need to push the old guys out and it hasn't happened and I don't believe that it is because MOS is purposely denying a superior talent. I think that if you have two players of basically equal talent ANY coach is going to go with intangibles and experience. Our young guys need to push the old guys out and it hasn't happened and I don't believe that it is because MOS is purposely denying a superior talent.

Fans have NOT forgotten- that's why there is the anger. Last game looked an awful lot like the worst of the Reinbold (etc) era.

yup....a losss here and there because we were just not the better team that day...to mounting losses from the same epidemic of basically what could be prevented/fixed are 2 different things...the ineptness and oblivious attitude...or juts the dont have a clue attitude is what is ailing things and turning fans off... exactly....we have deteriorated in a huge way...and to be honest, with Osh here I have no faith and can't see much changing...ever....It has been totally apparent what was/could happen 3+ yrs ago and the clown did nothing about it but stayed the course as it got worse...mainly cause he has knows no other way, and isnt a real builder/coacher and his time has expired...it happens to the best of them the fact that over last 2 yrs especially the losses ...and some ugly ones didnt even trigger the idea of any change/tweak....but the same excuses, and they will fix it...and havnt Sure sign of a coach with nary a clue how to...let alone actually doing anything about it The fact that after being drubbed...having a bye....and we back to work and only change likely is due to injury issues, or a guy or 2 coming back from injury is proof right there they either have no clue what to do...or just dont want to....With injured guys coming back not being the saving grace, as the issues were there already with them....Its about the preparation, the game plans...the adjustment...or more specifically ability to make them and in game decisions....and thats coaching...No group of players is gonna succeed with whats going on here

So right now, am I wrong to say it looks like a Grey Cup rematch is quite possible?

After the last bloody disgrace at home last game and seeing very little change ,if any, you have to wonder is anyone in charge and actually giving a damn..The team was embarrassed,disgraced and humiliated and it seems we're content with that...IF that's what we are taking into the next game against Ottawa, AND we lose, the shite will hit the fan and somebody should lose their job..Will that happen?? doubtful and the writing on the wall will spell ' this club has officially quit in 26'...It appeared that's what they did against BC

I also think that a sports organization shouldn't be using their marketing dept to garner public support for Allen involved in an incident by pointing fingers. This is just strange all around.

The Free Press paywall is about as strong as one built by a 3 year old with blocks.

I mean physical problems aside from whatever mental issues he's dealing with. Mentally, that guy is not ok. Those two often are intertwined. Deadly combo for sure.

most of the teams tho look leaps and bounds better than us tho...save fo Ottawa...and we barely beat them...we need to fix things up and fast or we gonna be left in the dust

Apologies for the lateness of the reply. Busy weekend (Rush). Coach Din has his own way and his own vision. I think given enough time he will surround himself with coaches and players and be a big problem for the Eastern division and the rest of the league. I know that the Dru Brown thing set some people off. But whatever Dinwiddie's vision of a quarterback on his team is, I just don't think Brown fit it. And I don't necessarily think that's a knock on Brown. And ultimately, as you know, taking responsibility for the team will fall on the coach. So he can throw people under the bus in this phase of his tenure because it isn't really a team in his image yet... He won't be able to do that once all the players and coaches are his guys. And as it is, I would say that the Redblacks have the second lowest level of talent for a team in the league. So he's got some time to build something before he'll be held to account for results. As for what you said about Grant losing a step, for me his speed has always been weird. He's the fastest moving player on the field, but at full clip it looks like he's just taking it easy and jogging. And there are guys next to him trying to keep up who are in full on sprints. His return the other night was like that too. Look at the guy who's trying to catch him versus his nice and easy run. You can't teach speed, right?

It’s insane how poor our O line is considering the amount of Americans we have starting.