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Oh, I'm fine with MOS back if he fires Hogan and gets a real OC and he starts saying bye bye to the aging vets. I get frustrated by him but appreciate the 9 straight 10+win seasons, 2 cup wins etc. Honestly a little worried about who we would replace him with. Yeah so basically I just want Miller to kick MOS and KW in the ass, light a fire and then improvements.

If they run it back with Hogan, they won't be getting my season ticket dollars. I'm a diehard fan so, of course, I'll watch them and cheer and jeer from my big-assed recliner but that's it! Some interesting management/coaching scenarios have been discussed here. With both Walters and O'Shea without contracts and the situation in Toronto, it will be interesting times watching things unfold. There's a rumor (and I stress RUMOR) out there that Walters and O'Shea are no longer seeing eye to eye. Could it be because Walters has brought in some decent players who have been cut or have not been given adequate chances to prove themselves on the field? Anyway, if football is like most professional sports, the coach will be let go first. (Most managers get at least two coach misses before they're shown the door.)

Your mom! Sorry, I am in a mood today.

7th all time in wins, the most wins of any active HC. It's ridiculous to speak as if his entire tenure was a failure. A few seasons ago, it was all about the culture, and how we were retaining players because of O'Shea. And that players were signing for less because of O'Shea. If changes were made I'd be good with that, but the posts from people who were heaping praise about the culture a few years ago, are mind-numbing.

I'm biased but I'd love to bring Khari home

I'm not 100% opposed to OSH returning if he can show that he can make changes needed. If he can't recognize that Hogan was a mistake and wants to keep continuity there, then I think OSH should be shown the door. Hamilton's column in the Freep today talked about why he didn't think OSH would go to Toronto. Basically saying that OSH wouldn't want to be in an environment where he had to make lots of changes and couldn't keep with continuity. Good description of OSH but also good reasons why we need to move on here.

I see nothing to suggest Hogan is going to improve and if you keep him, I bet Brady leaves and possibly others too.

I agree with what you're saying but those same qualities that make him a great coach to play for are the very same qualities that can destroy the culture they've built if he's not mindful / refuses to adapt.

I think the scheme was fine, you just need the right guys up front to make it work. So this goes to who is responsible for that

The Hogan situation gets worse the more you look at it. Buck showed considerable promise and growth in his first 2-ish years. His last season and a half was basically mailed in. Especially his last year here. Things devolved to an abysmal state where he didn't run any of what brought us success, Zach was constantly frustrated, and no one was on the same page. Fast forward, and Buck has the BC offence buzzing. He needed the change to get away from us; we were the toxic ex-workplace. Then, not only does bc get Buck, they scoop Bourgoin who was a better candidate to move up here than hogan and an excellent wr coach. We could've made a decision faster, and given him half a promotion and kept him. Finally we have the whole mess that hogan was and if we had quickly picked Jackson, the right decision the whole time, we could've been drastically better of. If we run it back with Hogan, I bet JY takes any offer that brings him out of here. Maybe Hall retires. I think retaining Hogan could be a major slef inflicted wound.

That would work with me in all honesty....nothing wrong at all in that scenario Osh has had 4 chances since 2021....and his decision in Hogan was the cherry on top of the shitsundae on how he goes about things...Players...coaches.... If we run it back as is.....we know a good majority of the less than stellar giys will be back....positions given...not earned....no deviation from anything if not working or optimal....insistence no to use all the rules afforded to us.....so yeah peob a write-off...casue in all honesty, why would we expect anything different?? Factor in other teams working to be better....Hi there 5th place

IF.....Osh left, which I think is not likely, but hypothetically, JY as HC with Bowman as DC, Hall still advising defence asst. coaching, and Lapo as OC.....deep experience in Lapo and Hall up and comers in JY and Bowman.....possibly even AH as Rb and offensive asst. to work with Lapo again provided young new blood, and a connection to the young guys......other assistants stay.....Walters stays, and puts key focus on the lines..... Ok flame away..if you wish.....

I mean...the hardcore fans here see that it's been slipping for more than just this year. But the vast majority of ticket buyers do not. They still made the playoffs still had double digit wins (10yr in a row) and 14 straight sell outs and counting. You might feel they don't have the right...but in pro sports like in most businesses, $$$ trumps your feelings. The only way both aren't back is if they don't want to be.

He might not scout but it looks like he has more say in the roster than you seem to think, Coaching dominoes begin to fall – Winnipeg Free Press

They also had like 3 loses by 3 or less. Toronto capsized because for years they have been hammered away at in free agency, with out doing much to bring stars back. Just like us. That Dejon Allen trade, even though he was hurt a good chunk of this season, was still just awful. The chatfield trade was the only decent one pinball made, and he swung a bunch of trades this season/off-season. Pinball also couldn't manage to find the argos a RB worth a damn to replace AJ with. The dip in the argos production is squarely on pinball/muphy but they let Dinwiddie take the fall. No he's off to better things and the argos will probably be a basement dweller.

2 cups in 3 years, an Eastern Final and one non playoff year when they still competed on offense with Arbuckle having a career year and Henslow emerging as a stud. Missing the forest for the trees, Dude.

If we continue on this path it'll lead to us falling off a cliff. I foresee terrible times ahead.

JY took a defensive unit with no ability to get pressure from the DL, or gap cancel, and gave up the fewest opposition points and tds in the league. Not to mention we ran away with the league lead on offensive give aways, leaving our D in a terrible field position field. They also played among the most minutes as our off was among the worst in 2nouts. We also gave up the fewest first downs. 2nd lowest passing yards against, lowest completion percentage against. 2nd best in terms of opposition QBR. We had the lowest of TDs per drive given up on D in the league by a large margin. Worst front 6 in the league by a mile, and he gave us one of the best defenses in the league. Not only that, he did the same thing last year. Both years, he had to wholly rebuild our secondary mid season. If we had a decent DL, and didn't use all our DIs on special teams, his D the last two years would've been 21 levels of dominant maybe even more so.

AS a girlfriend of mine once said,"a hard man is good to find".

Wade has to make a decision in a short period of time on what to do (if he hasn't already), hesitation is one of those decisions and maybe the worst one. I think Toronto will move fast, and I think the Cats will as well once their season is over.

Honestly, Id argue Arbuckle had the better year by quite a bit. Arbuckle had a less talented Oline, a less talented RB group and a for the most part a less talented WR group....and a Defense that wasn't anywhere near the Defences Kelly played with, like not even in the same atmosphere.

Yeah the off season signings etc will either add fuel or extinguish things. At the start of the year I was openly critically of MOS/Walters/Hogan to friends who aren't as in tune with the CFL but still fairly knowledgeable. And the push back I got for suggesting MOS was becoming a problem told me, most people aren't really seeing what's wrong. They see the sacks/ints/missed tackles etc etc...but not the reason those pile up. It takes losing/blow outs to get most people to see there's a problem.

Also agree ...no Thorpe especially when there is a lot better candidates out there......Getting a little ahead of ourselves here BUT I hope IF the major changes are made that we are not going to to be moving ahead at a snails pace....Have to pay due diligence but also would like to see us proceed in a timely manner

Steinauer is president of football ops, why would he take a demotion? Also why would Hamilton allow it? They can't block a chance at a promotion but they could deny the Argos permission to talk to him about a lower position.

You’re like an obsessive ex bro. Its unhealthy.

please please lol Tell me you got the scoop hahahaha

I think you nailed it w taking a chance on Khari… he was killing it in MTL before a lot of things out of his control went wrong. If JY didn’t have so much potential, one guy I’d be really keen on hiring as a DC is John Bowman, he had that Calgary front playing at an insane level all season, regardless of who was on the DL.

I think the only chance to replace both and have a chance to be competitive just evaporated with ott getting dinwiddie. Firing both is rebuild mode not just this off season but next year. I think the best move is to replace one and do a strong re tool in the off season. I believe walters is the easiest to replace competently, but that mos is a larger piece of the problem. I also don’t expect either to go any where unless they decide to go. Toronto may well lure mos away. I don’t think we will make an active decision. I think what we do will be reactionary. Any one who seriously tables keeping hogan on as oc should be immediately escorted out by security. Id be interested in the young guys up front of the als organization for gm, for hc man that’s hard.

So our answers are a guy who isn't available and an imaginary coach with no name. lol. My buddies have had this discussion but based on Walters/MOS leaving on their own. GM - Danny Mac HC - Younger These are not my choices, just actual examples lol. My choices are the guys in the roles currently. IMO they've earned the right to attempt to right the ship.

Coach who plays no favorites....Utilizes the best players available to him, as well as the rules afforded to him, and won't play hurt players.....A coach where you need to earn your starter spot AND maintain said spot with your play....or you get replaced...That's my coach

Through all this discussion about our lazy GM Walters, Osh leaving for Toronto (please go), firing Hogan or maybe losing Brady if we don't, Zach's unhappiness, Younger & his Cheetos no pass rush defense, Walters not doing enough this past off season, Osh roster management issues.... All I want is a change. The room has gone stale. It stinks. We need Wade Miller to go in & open the window wide to let a fresh breeze in. As a fan, I want change. Meaningful & serious change. I don't care if that means head rolls & we don't renew the contracts of Walters & O'Shea. After 12 freaking years, the team has to do something to shake it up. I don't want to watch my team decline further while we have a GM mail it in another off season. While players & coaches who should be gone get special treatment & undeservedly stick around for another season. After 12 going on 13 seasons, I don't think as a fan that I can take anymore of this **** because I know it'll just get worse.

18-18....but also one yr was thrust into the Als job what...like a week before season started???...Something like that...and then still got em 10-8...was OC for Hamilton that brought them to EF I believe...QB coach for Rider Grey cup win....I'd discount his Ottawa stuff as that is just a place to go and die....and was ultra bad when he was there...gets a Mulligan for that

I’ll pay for his ticket, first class, to toronto. Then he can find his way where ever he pleases.

is that like a doughnut....but different?

If I read O'Shea's personality correctly, he will absolutely balk at not having "his guys" and bail- we can only hope. I am also a Khari cheerleader.

We ran the 30 significantly less this last year than the previous year. Our front play was basically entirely different. The previous year we used a wide alignment hoping ends could win a battle. This year we used a tight alignment to close the middle. The delay blitz, is a play adjustment based on what the offence does. Lber has HCF zone, if the qb rolls or is flushed he becomes a rusher. The actual delayed blitz was extremely low use from JY, and the Lber blitz package was a tiny fraction of previous years. 2 years ago JY made a D with a new secondary that dominated opposition passing games. But teams eventually adjusted to the drop 9 rush 3. This year, we ran the drop 9 match zone much less that we ran last year. Calgary ran our previous years base D much more than we did. The secondary JY managed to cobble together could not work the switches and split field zones to save their life. So he again had to recreate the entire D, mid season. Tbh, what JY did the last 2 seasons is the most impressive thing I've ever seen from a DC up here. If we fix the ratio, roster the best players, and give him a DL who can get a farts worth of pressure next year that D will carry us. When you look at the stretch where wj wasn't able to accomplish any thing, and we ran 2 canadian DTs with korny on the ar playing primary reps its truly astounding how good the D ended up performing. That was the most pitiful DL I've ever seen pound for pound at any level. I've seen junior teams do better with no more than 1 guy over 200 lbs on their dl.

BO basically said he is in it to win it...and with that he wants to be in a place where the cast around him is a supporting cast...players and coaches to get it done....so effectively him being our marquee player without saying it as such "show me you ready to get real and do this right" or I'm taking my ball and going where someone else is Shot across the bow so to say and rightfully so, and good on him...Someone had to say it...

does need tweaking...and influx of talent But 3 man rush with some dirty dawgs is effective...especially with a Jack who is on search and destroy And DB's who dont get lost on a crowd of 9th graders

In terms of football ops I would expect him to have full control to the point he would likely update them on his intentions not have to ask for permission. An act as president that was veto’d by the bog would be like failing a none confidence vote. Agree with the first bit. I didn’t read the article i’ll have to check it out. I’ll say though that it’s on pinball to make the primary changes. Mos would be involved, but i’m not sure he would face much more change there than we need. Hed keep his buddies on the staff like eiben, try to poach a couple of our guys and others, and re tool via free agency. It’s soo wild to me that his idea of accountability for our offences systematic failures is that he should have stepped in and micro managed them to ensure they performed better. If i head that as Jackson, i’d quit instantly.

Good post. Yes, O'Shea has absolutely disclosed why he no longer should be the Bomber head coach. He also described himself as a control freak.

I'm assuming that Miller is responsible to the volunteer Board of Directors. Would he have to get their permission on major matters like this?

Not gonna flame, though I will say I don't really have interest in AH back here coaching any time soon. Right now, we run 11 coaches. With the front office cap, I would either have position coaches being decent scouts as well, or cut back on some positional coaching. We have Billy Jean, Andre Bulduc, Jackson, Hogan, and Costello on offense. I would make Costello OL/run game co. So he would coach the OL and the RBs, and help the OC with designing and installing the run side of the playbook. In this case, let's say JJ is the new OC. Next, I'd bring in a QB coach/pass game assistant, let's say that's Khari. He coaches the WRs, Qbs, and again helps the CO with design and weekly install of the passing game. That is 3 guys covering the same load as 5 are currently. If those 3 are comfortable with their roles and work well enough together and with the HC to do all that, great. If not, I'd bring in 1 offence QC assistant coach, who is also a scout. Basically, he splits his load between the two roles, depending on how much support the offensive staff needs. That scout would be the active CFL side scout, and scout the NFL and spring leagues, etc. Pro scout only, he would work on the guys we bring in actively more than the guys we earmark to try and get up here in the future. This might be a guy like Markus Howell, one of the recently retired guys, etc. On D, I would look to do something similar. We've got JY, Hall, Patterson, and Stanley. If Hall wants to stay, and JY wants to continue to have his support, Hall coaches Lbers and is the defensive assistant; he would be in charge of the run fits and coaching every play with a gap in any scheme in that role. JY is the DC and coaches the secondary. Then I'd love to bring in a guy like Bowman or Irvin, or maybe a guy like Jackson Jeffcoat to be the DL/pass rush coach. Currently, James Stanley is the director of analytics, which would be a valuable role if we had an HC inclined to making decisions in the scientific process. This role for me would be a coach that is Ast to the HC, Competitive advantage coordinator type of thing. Every major NCAA team has a guy whose job it is to spot trends, mismatches, and such in advanced scouting. This would also be a two-part job, providing in-league scouting for in-season pick-ups and free agency each year. This is the guy who says, "Hey, the bombers put Woodbey on their PR and that kid is a player at a position we need". With Mos, I'd have him be the team's CO or defensive assistant. But I really like Miller and the job he's done. So I'd have Miller take on a role as tackling coach (I'd bring in hawk tackling, especially with how practice is these days) and have him scout the league during the season and the cis for teams' guys. Even then, with 4 offensive coaches (1 part scout), 3 defensive coaches, 1 general coach(part scout), Hc and Sts coach, that leaves 1 open spot for either higher pay of current guys or the ability to add another regional scout in the US. I mean, I won't stop cheering for the bombers. But they would have to have a year and start the year to get me to spend money or be optimistic about our chances. If we bring Hogan back, my expectations will be to miss the playoffs. If Walters and Mos are back and Hogan isn't, it'll depend on the offseason moves. Another off-season like the last couple and I'd again have no particular hope or expectations. At that point, it's counting down the losses till the house gets cleaned. As it is, short of meaningful change, I won't be giving any money to the club next year. And I tend to support with my wallet very freely.

yup....some dominoes are gonna have to fall first...and any excessive feet dragging by us like before and we could be wandering the wilderness a bit Do we strike first and set the table and move on from Osh...Promote up JY now and then work from there?....Be a real kick to the nads to pussyfoot this...and have almost everyone defect...and with that...prob a lot of players as they see a sinking ship for a few yrs Will be interesting close to November for sure

yeah....he got done hard raw....Players were not happy about that as well I also think Bowman is also a up and comer and some of the new breed who could be around a while as a HC... Yup...He's quietly biding his time and is a guy who building a nice resume of experience there in Mtl and can see being plucked as there not much MTL can really do there for him uless they cut bait with some guys...which I can't see.....Maybe they move from Thorpe but I dont want him anywhere near here...As far as cancers go on a coaching staff...He's the poster child...Melanoma Head personified Mickey Donovam is also a guy who would be a good candidate for new blood somewhere....No Nonsense kinda guy...players love and respect...and will get best outta everyone....If there was an outlier off the radar kinda guy to give a shot to...in an already established culture like here...He's be a real good pick and I would be more than happy with him

And also won 2 of last 3 Cups under Dinwiddie...not his fault his team got gutted in FA last yr Id take him over Osh in a heartbeat Yeah...totally lost their dline...top reciever Coxie missed most yr...not Dinwiddie fault...he who has won 2 of last 3 cups...

Arbuckle in 15 games was 365/504 with 4370 yards and 26/15 In Kellys MOP season in 18 games he was 270/394 for 4123 yards and 23/12 Only real difference between the two stats wise is Team wins and Kelly also ran the short offense and has a bit more mobility. There really wasn't much of a drop off between Kelly and Arbuckle

Argos missed the playoffs dude.

Yep. Imo if you brought in khari he’d be a position coach and support Jackson who’d be the oc. You could have both work with qbs, and khari also coach wrs while being offensive assistant. Qbs are underrated as wr coaches. They’re much better at helping wrs and qbs build chemistry and understand what the qb is looking for. Khari was also one of the last qbs to call his own plays, is much better coaching rpos and btl screen packages. Though I do worry if khari would be the worst guy to put with zach. Two guys who just wanna chuck bombs lol

There were plenty of 1000 yrd runners. but only 1 lead the league in all purpose yards. Brady is more than just a runner. His ability out of the back field is just as good imo. Add in his ability to block and the only answer is to pay him. I also don't think this regime can afford to let another league leading all star player walk (like Lawler).

I'll be disappointed if Brady goes elsewhere.