bearpants Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Here is something that a lot of fans tend to forget.... The huge free agent deals are often the ones that teams regret the most. You get a great player for sure, but he eats up a large chunk of your cap space and if he doesn't live up to the very high expectations it becomes a lightning rod for criticism. Generally the best free agent deals are the under the radar ones where you snag a guy on the verge of breaking out and get good value for money. Let's not worry about Muamba too much, we're getting good play from our linebackers in my opinion for a lot cheaper than if Muamba was here. Would have loved to have him here, but he's in Montreal and so be it. Like Sam Hurl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Sam Hurl is quite young and coming along... who knows, maybe he will be an all star in a year or two SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Interesting that the contract info yesterday said 2 more years after this season, now it's only 1? Does that mean the 1st source was wrong, which means the salary numbers are probably wrong too, or is the second source wrong.At the time that info was reported it was thought he was signing with the Eskimos.And if you read the tweet I posted from the Als official feed, they say 2 years. One of those "2 years" might include remainder of this year.It means this season and next - just like you posted before. Not what they said on TSN today. This year plus 2 TSN was wrong. @JacquieWinnipeg: @HerbZurkowsky1 Confused about Muamba contract. Als tweeted it was 2 years which means this season and next season, doesn't it? @HerbZurkowsky1: @JacquieWinnipeg yes SPuDS and iso_55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I just don't get why the Als (Poppp) would spend so much $$$ on Muamba & cheap out on the qb position. Put someone like Glenn at the qb position & they're GC contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Interesting that the contract info yesterday said 2 more years after this season, now it's only 1? Does that mean the 1st source was wrong, which means the salary numbers are probably wrong too, or is the second source wrong.At the time that info was reported it was thought he was signing with the Eskimos.And if you read the tweet I posted from the Als official feed, they say 2 years. One of those "2 years" might include remainder of this year.It means this season and next - just like you posted before. Not what they said on TSN today. This year plus 2 TSN was wrong. @JacquieWinnipeg: @HerbZurkowsky1 Confused about Muamba contract. Als tweeted it was 2 years which means this season and next season, doesn't it? @HerbZurkowsky1: @JacquieWinnipeg yes Cool thanks for that. Makes me feel better knowing we passed on him or he passed on us or whatevs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Interesting that the contract info yesterday said 2 more years after this season, now it's only 1? Does that mean the 1st source was wrong, which means the salary numbers are probably wrong too, or is the second source wrong.At the time that info was reported it was thought he was signing with the Eskimos.And if you read the tweet I posted from the Als official feed, they say 2 years. One of those "2 years" might include remainder of this year.It means this season and next - just like you posted before. Not what they said on TSN today. This year plus 2 TSN was wrong. @JacquieWinnipeg: @HerbZurkowsky1 Confused about Muamba contract. Als tweeted it was 2 years which means this season and next season, doesn't it? @HerbZurkowsky1: @JacquieWinnipeg yes Nice work, Jacquie. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bomber Fan Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 While I totally understand that football is a business and I also understand that players have to make hay while the sun shines, it nevertheless irritates me to no end when a players turns their nose up at the organization who put in the time to develop them to become what they are today. There is no loyalty in sport any longer as the all mighty dollar rules all. I can only wonder where we would have been if that were the case back in the 50s and 60s where loyalty to the organization and teammates meant something. Frankly I'm glad he is gone, hope he falls on his rear end and didn't think he was that good in the first place. He was good at letting people know he made a play though but sure was absent when he screwed on up. Just my thoughts on a greedy football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Muamba was good. Very good, in fact, but I share your distaste for his traveling road show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 While I totally understand that football is a business and I also understand that players have to make hay while the sun shines, it nevertheless irritates me to no end when a players turns their nose up at the organization who put in the time to develop them to become what they are today. There is no loyalty in sport any longer as the all mighty dollar rules all. I can only wonder where we would have been if that were the case back in the 50s and 60s where loyalty to the organization and teammates meant something. Frankly I'm glad he is gone, hope he falls on his rear end and didn't think he was that good in the first place. He was good at letting people know he made a play though but sure was absent when he screwed on up. Just my thoughts on a greedy football player. If he's no good, he can be cut tomorrow. You're right though, football is a tough business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 There is no loyalty in sport any longer as the all mighty dollar rules all. Don't paint all players with the same brush. There are plenty of players who have re-signed with their former team when they could have gotten more money elsewhere. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Why is there a perception that athletes are to have a greater sense of loyalty to a team then you are I should have to a business? We all do what we feel is in our own best interest, what ever the reasons are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 There is no loyalty in sport any longer as the all mighty dollar rules all. Don't paint all players with the same brush. There are plenty of players who have re-signed with their former team when they could have gotten more money elsewhere. Exactly. Look at Ian Wild. Milt was super loyal too. He could have won a Grey Cup elsewhere, but said if he was going to win a Grey Cup it was going to be in Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I read that CFL GMs will want to add some kind of restricted free agency in the next collective agreement for players wanting to shop their services as free agents. As in, the team in danger of losing a player has the right to match the offer another team is giving them. If they match the player stays. I'm all for that. A team invests money into drafted players & develops them. Then loses them with nothing coming back. The CFLPA may not like it but I don't think it would be something they'd strike over. Like to see it happen. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I read that CFL GMs will want to add some kind of restricted free agency in the next collective agreement for players wanting to shop their services as free agents. As in, the team in danger of losing a player has the right to match the offer another team is giving them. If they match the player stays. I'm all for that. A team invests money into drafted players & develops them. Then loses them with nothing coming back. The CFLPA may not like it but I don't think it would be something they'd strike over. Like to see it happen. It absolutely needs to be done .. makes for a healthier league all around .. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Wonder if it will only be for drafted nationals. Or if it would be for all first contract players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I read that CFL GMs will want to add some kind of restricted free agency in the next collective agreement for players wanting to shop their services as free agents. As in, the team in danger of losing a player has the right to match the offer another team is giving them. If they match the player stays. I'm all for that. A team invests money into drafted players & develops them. Then loses them with nothing coming back. The CFLPA may not like it but I don't think it would be something they'd strike over. Like to see it happen. I hate that. I don't wish for any player to be stuck on horrible teams like Winnipeg or Saskatchewan. Especially when a team can cut you outright at any time with no questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bomber Fan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 yes there are some loyal players out there Wild is one as you state. However many of the others noted are from old school not today's breed. However I'm sure that can be debated. I also heard that there is much discussion regarding Free agency after 2 years for rookies in the CFL. Perhaps they should adopt something like the NFL or the NHL or perhaps something like: the first 4 years of your career belong to the team who drafts you and develops you. Then you can become a restricted free agent with your draft team having the option to match any offers. That way the team at least has an opportunity to experience the benefit of their hard work and the player has an opportunity to solidify their reputation based on their level of play. The way it is now a team develops a player and while he may have a great second year, he can shop himself around or jump to the NFL. What does the team get in return, diddly squat. Don't think that is fair. Oh and as for Muamba, frankly we don't need him, good bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 yes there are some loyal players out there Wild is one as you state. However many of the others noted are from old school not today's breed. However I'm sure that can be debated. I also heard that there is much discussion regarding Free agency after 2 years for rookies in the CFL. Perhaps they should adopt something like the NFL or the NHL or perhaps something like: the first 4 years of your career belong to the team who drafts you and develops you. Then you can become a restricted free agent with your draft team having the option to match any offers. That way the team at least has an opportunity to experience the benefit of their hard work and the player has an opportunity to solidify their reputation based on their level of play. The way it is now a team develops a player and while he may have a great second year, he can shop himself around or jump to the NFL. What does the team get in return, diddly squat. Don't think that is fair. Oh and as for Muamba, frankly we don't need him, good bye Yeah, he wouldn't have helped, especially late when we needed a stop. I wonder if he regrets his decision to not come here after that loss by the Blue yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 yes there are some loyal players out there Wild is one as you state. However many of the others noted are from old school not today's breed. However I'm sure that can be debated. I also heard that there is much discussion regarding Free agency after 2 years for rookies in the CFL. Perhaps they should adopt something like the NFL or the NHL or perhaps something like: the first 4 years of your career belong to the team who drafts you and develops you. Then you can become a restricted free agent with your draft team having the option to match any offers. That way the team at least has an opportunity to experience the benefit of their hard work and the player has an opportunity to solidify their reputation based on their level of play. The way it is now a team develops a player and while he may have a great second year, he can shop himself around or jump to the NFL. What does the team get in return, diddly squat. Don't think that is fair. Oh and as for Muamba, frankly we don't need him, good bye Yeah, he wouldn't have helped, especially late when we needed a stop. I wonder if he regrets his decision to not come here after that loss by the Blue yesterday. The Bomber defence was good enough. The offense was comatose for the first half and a bit. Muamba wouldn't have changed that, and the Eskies' running game was not what did us in. Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Henoc is a bum. We don't need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 This thread is just like when we missed out on Collaros... and then Burris... ha DR. CFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 MTL signed Kelvin Muamba to PR. Probably part of Henoc's deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Palmer Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 MTL signed Kelvin Muamba to PR. Probably part of Henoc's deal? Pretty sad part of the deal is that your not good enough brother has to play on the same team. Maybe they sign cauchy to a big deal next offseason. He is terrible. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 MTL signed Kelvin Muamba to PR. Probably part of Henoc's deal? Pretty sad part of the deal is that your not good enough brother has to play on the same team. Maybe they sign cauchy to a big deal next offseason. He is terrible. I am of the pretty strong belief that we only signed Cauchy to try and get Henoc to extend. Tracker and M.O.A.B. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 @CFL_News: Muamba's contract is 2 yrs, should pay more than $225K annually, pro-rated over remainder of this season. #CFL #AlsMTL via @HerbZurkowsky1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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