gbill2004 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 @RickMoffat: #Alouettes GM/Coach @PoppJim confirms deal with @HenocMuamba, won't play vs Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 For 2015, Hurl stats shows.... - 41 defensive tackles - 4 special teams tackles - 3 sacks - 2 interceptions - 1 forced fumble For comparison 2012 first year Muamba played MLB 65 Defensive Tackles 20 Special Teams Tackles 3 Sack 0 Interceptions 0 Fumble Recoveries Not a big difference when you consider that Hurl still has 5 games to play this year This is not Hurl's first year as a starter. He started last year for the Riders. Compare Muamba’s second year stats to Hurls second year stats. It’s not even close. Hurl is fine against the pass, but awful against the run. OK Muamba stats for 2013 106 Defensive Ttackles 18 Special Teams Tackles 1 Sack 1 Interception 0 Fumble Recoveries Again he has 5 games to play and while he won't get 106 tackles he may end up 55-65 .The question is Muamba worth 120k more than Hurl a year. As for his play against the run it's tough when our DL cant handle other teams OL and they can get to him at will. Tough to make a tackle a RB when your getting caved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 So a good defence gets better while we sit on the sidelines again...He's the opposition now and the Henoc luv in has certainly ended in the Peg...at least for this fan...adios. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I mentioned a while ago I thought it would be here or Montreal. Not surprised at all that he ended up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Your going to a 2013 Muamba performance out of Bass though. I think this defense is built around him being the stopper in the LB core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I definitely have no ill will towards Henoc. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 When you know the kind of personality Henoc is...the charity stuff he does...work with AIA and other Christian organizations.....you can't possibly hate on the guy. Geebrr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dascow Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 For comparison 2012 first year Muamba played MLB 65 Defensive Tackles 20 Special Teams Tackles 3 Sack 0 Interceptions 0 Fumble Recoveries Not a big difference when you consider that Hurl still has 5 games to play this year This is not Hurl's first year as a starter. He started last year for the Riders. Compare Muamba’s second year stats to Hurls second year stats. It’s not even close. Hurl is fine against the pass, but awful against the run. OK Muamba stats for 2013 106 Defensive Ttackles 18 Special Teams Tackles 1 Sack 1 Interception 0 Fumble Recoveries Again he has 5 games to play and while he won't get 106 tackles he may end up 55-65 .The question is Muamba worth 120k more than Hurl a year. As for his play against the run it's tough when our DL cant handle other teams OL and they can get to him at will. Tough to make a tackle a RB when your getting caved in. The Bombers give up on average 115 yards per game and are 8th of 9 in total rushing yards given up. They are also 8th of 9 teams in yards per carry. So yes, I would spend that money to get an elite national MLB. The biggest difference between Hurl and Muamba is that Muamba can make tackles at the line of scrimmage or on the other side of the line, whereas Hurl makes every tackle 5 or 10 yards down the field. Then when you add the fact that Muamba is a special teams demon and that this team is in dire need of one of those, then yes, I would have spent that money. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 When you know the kind of personality Henoc is...the charity stuff he does...work with AIA and other Christian organizations.....you can't possibly hate on the guy. So we should be glad he signed somewhere else?...He's a fine person no doubt but this is football...not a charity organization and a lift this team certainly was in need of has gone... poof... Judd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 You put Muamba behind those Defense Tackles and yards given up wont be much different. I guess we differ about the money that should be given to Muamba, and while Muamba is a very good player he is not elite...........yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I was really hoping they were fattening Hurl up for trade bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 5.5 ypc against in 2013. 5.5 ypc against in 2015. JayBallz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dascow Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 5.5 ypc against in 2013. 5.5 ypc against in 2015. So what's your point? Are you saying that adding Muamba wouldn't improve the run defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 5.5 ypc against in 2013. 5.5 ypc against in 2015. So what's your point? Are you saying that adding Muamba wouldn't improve the run defense? He'd improve the ratio situation. I don't think he's a better player than Ian Wild or Khalil Bass, but he's Canadian. I think that's likely the role he would have played in this defense, I don't think he'd do as well on the line of scrimmage as much as Hurl has been this season as the "MLB." But yes, I don't believe Muamba would make a huge impact on this team right now. His value is being a guy who is as good as most import MLB/WIL in the league and being Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 It sounds like Henoc is being a tad underrated since he choose to sign elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 #10 on MTL just sent out a tweet to Henoc telling him (henoc) to get his check book ready. (to buy his number)If he has to buy it, his cheque book would be more useful. Stupid Americans...He did spell it "cheque" in his tweet. BigBlue204 spelled it "check".@MOBrouillette: Get your cheque book ready @HenocMuamba http://t.co/NwP9try930 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 It sounds like Henoc is being a tad underrated since he choose to sign elsewhere. I don't think that the case at all from my point of view, i respect muamba and think he is a talented football player but at this time the contract that he signed for in Montreal makes no sense here. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 @MTLAlouettes: Alouettes sign coveted national linebacker Henoc Muamba to a two-year deal. #AlsMTL http://t.co/XYGFmasycK Only 2 years. Wiecek claims Henoc will be getting $250,000 a season but I haven't seen any other numbers so far so take that for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would have liked to see him here but... the D is not the issue here... the O is. I'm kind of surprised he went to the als tho... strong D but not a very good O either. I'm honestly not sure how he makes a difference in Montreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm fine with him signing there, we can put cash towards Nicholls or the o line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would have liked to see him here but... the D is not the issue here... the O is. I'm kind of surprised he went to the als tho... strong D but not a very good O either. I'm honestly not sure how he makes a difference in Montreal I'd like to know what Walters offered him and how far apart the two offers were. I'd also like to know if he chose Montreal because of money or some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would have liked to see him here but... the D is not the issue here... the O is. I'm kind of surprised he went to the als tho... strong D but not a very good O either. I'm honestly not sure how he makes a difference in MontrealI'd like to know what Walters offered him and how far apart the two offers were. I'd also like to know if he chose Montreal because of money or some other reason.Most of his family is in Montreal so I'm sure that was a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would have liked to see him here but... the D is not the issue here... the O is. I'm kind of surprised he went to the als tho... strong D but not a very good O either. I'm honestly not sure how he makes a difference in Montreal I'd like to know what Walters offered him and how far apart the two offers were. I'd also like to know if he chose Montreal because of money or some other reason. What does it matter? Don't overlook that 7 other GM's either passed on him or couldn't close the deal either. Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 @CFL_News: A source said @HenocMuamba's deal is only for the rest of this season and next. #CFL #Bombers #AlsMTL via @PentonKirk Must be an opt out to try NFL again after next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm a little sour with this news, but not at the Bombers mind you. I will say to all of those who are pumping up Sam Hurl and saying Muamba wouldn't have improved us equally for the extra money we would pay: Is Sam Hurl a candidate for Most Outstanding Canadian in the CFL or have any chance at being considered by NFL teams for a spot? Because that's the comparable to Muamba right now. Think about how far Hurl is from that and that should say how much better a player the Als now have. But I'll say that there is some bitterness towards Muamba in this corner. Hey, do what's best for your career, but when he said he'd come to Winnipeg as part of his "negotiation tour", then blew us off for a supposed workout with an NFL team that never happens, and signs with Montreal 7 days later without ever re-establishing contact with the Bombers, it says to me that the club would have talked contract but he was never ever interested in returning here. Disappointing since we let him out of his contract early to pursue the NFL in the first place, on top of employing his brother to keep him here when Cauchy had no business being on a football field. I could have done without the dog and pony show and empty promises of including Winnipeg in the negotiation process. JohnnyOnTheSpot, StevetheClub, Bomberfan85 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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