Atomic Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I find it weird to keep reading how important size is in "the new NHL" for defencemen. Size is less important than ever. That's why you saw all the huge guys lose their jobs when the 05-06 lockout ended. Defencemen are, as a whole, much smaller now than they were before the lockout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I find it weird to keep reading how important size is in "the new NHL" for defencemen. Size is less important than ever. That's why you saw all the huge guys lose their jobs when the 05-06 lockout ended. Defencemen are, as a whole, much smaller now than they were before the lockout. Except that's not really true. Yup, ten years ago, there was a wave of smaller defencemen... and that's when Enstrom played well. Now it seems to be over, maybe its been proven too many times in the playoffs, don't know. Teams have big D cores now. There will still be a few guys like Vatanen who are powerplay, offence specialists but not much. Even Morrissey, who is considered under-sized, will be 6'0, 200 when he hits the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 All these coaches and GMs that think Enstrom is awesome... check their lineup - Minn, St Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Nashville, Anaheim... Then tell me that they would trade a top 4 defenceman for Enstrom. Not a chance. 5'10, 180 is at best a 6th D and power play specialist... I have mixed feelings on Enstrom except when it comes to the powerplay - if I never see him on the powerplay again it will be too soon. Watching him repeatedly pass the puck OUT of shooting lanes like his children will be murdered if he takes a shot is sooooo incredibly frustrating. He effectively turns a 5 on 4 into a 4 on 4 when he's out there. The other team's forwards stopped wasting their time challenging him this year - when he gets the puck they don't move into shooting lanes, they move into passing lanes. The penalty killers can cover 5 guys with 4, just because they've seen enough tape to know that when Enstrom gets the puck, 95% of the time he will move it to one of the other 4 Jets. As for the rest of it, with Enstrom you take the good with the bad. A statement true for all defencemen. And athletes. And humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I find it weird to keep reading how important size is in "the new NHL" for defencemen. Size is less important than ever. That's why you saw all the huge guys lose their jobs when the 05-06 lockout ended. Defencemen are, as a whole, much smaller now than they were before the lockout. Is that a guess, or is there info out there somewhere that supports this? I don't agree or disagree, I just wonder if it's accurate. There have always been small defensemen. It's not a new phenomena in today's NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I have mixed feelings on Enstrom except when it comes to the powerplay - if I never see him on the powerplay again it will be too soon. Watching him repeatedly pass the puck OUT of shooting lanes like his children will be murdered if he takes a shot is sooooo incredibly frustrating. He effectively turns a 5 on 4 into a 4 on 4 when he's out there. The other team's forwards stopped wasting their time challenging him this year - when he gets the puck they don't move into shooting lanes, they move into passing lanes. The penalty killers can cover 5 guys with 4, just because they've seen enough tape to know that when Enstrom gets the puck, 95% of the time he will move it to one of the other 4 Jets. My section calls it the "Enstrom groan". It's the sound you hear from the crowd every time he fakes a shot and passes to a guy in a worse position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I find it weird to keep reading how important size is in "the new NHL" for defencemen. Size is less important than ever. That's why you saw all the huge guys lose their jobs when the 05-06 lockout ended. Defencemen are, as a whole, much smaller now than they were before the lockout. Is that a guess, or is there info out there somewhere that supports this? I don't agree or disagree, I just wonder if it's accurate. There have always been small defensemen. It's not a new phenomena in today's NHL. It just feels right, and you can take that to the bank. sweep the leg and Floyd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I have mixed feelings on Enstrom except when it comes to the powerplay - if I never see him on the powerplay again it will be too soon. Watching him repeatedly pass the puck OUT of shooting lanes like his children will be murdered if he takes a shot is sooooo incredibly frustrating. He effectively turns a 5 on 4 into a 4 on 4 when he's out there. The other team's forwards stopped wasting their time challenging him this year - when he gets the puck they don't move into shooting lanes, they move into passing lanes. The penalty killers can cover 5 guys with 4, just because they've seen enough tape to know that when Enstrom gets the puck, 95% of the time he will move it to one of the other 4 Jets. My section calls it the "Enstrom groan". It's the sound you hear from the crowd every time he fakes a shot and passes to a guy in a worse position. Lol I like that term! He definitely hates taking the shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I find it weird to keep reading how important size is in "the new NHL" for defencemen. Size is less important than ever. That's why you saw all the huge guys lose their jobs when the 05-06 lockout ended. Defencemen are, as a whole, much smaller now than they were before the lockout.Is that a guess, or is there info out there somewhere that supports this? I don't agree or disagree, I just wonder if it's accurate. There have always been small defensemen. It's not a new phenomena in today's NHL. It just feels right, and you can take that to the bank. One of the smaller banks I would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Toby mighta been to fastest skater in th league... and he can shoot a puck clear over them mountains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 My section calls it the "Enstrom groan". It's the sound you hear from the crowd every time he fakes a shot and passes to a guy in a worse position. Kind of like the Brock Ralph groan...when he'd run for out of bounds two yards before the marker rather than take a hit...or just plain not bother to try and catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 My section calls it the "Enstrom groan". It's the sound you hear from the crowd every time he fakes a shot and passes to a guy in a worse position.Kind of like the Brock Ralph groan...when he'd run for out of bounds two yards before the marker rather than take a hit...or just plain not bother to try and catch the ball. You sir take that back! enstrom should never be mentioned in the same breath as that cad. Toby fought on thru an injury.. Ralph would have been outta there a loooong time ago.. Good day sir! BigBlueFanatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Future looks bright indeed Let's recap the past couple of months for Jets prospects....Top WHL playoff scorer (Petan).Top WHL defenseman in points/game (at least 7 games) (Morrissey).Top QMJHL scorer (Ehlers).Top QMJHL defenseman scorer (Kostalek).Top WHC goalie (GAA, save%) (Hellebuyck). HardCoreBlue, johnzo and FrostyWinnipeg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Yup, we also have a cupboard full of upcoming goalies....anyone think Helle makes the big team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I definitely felt like Helle was a couple years away but his performance at the world championships is making me think he's ready now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Helle will be called up after the trade deadline when we dump Pavelec to Edmonton after the Oilers make a cup push with Yakupov leading the league in scoring. Ducky and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb.king Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 In Dave Hodge's latest Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down column on the TSN website he talks about Tampa Bay missing the playoffs two years ago, losing in the first round last year, and going to the final this year. He lists five teams that missed the playoffs last year and lost in the first round this year: Winnipeg, New York Islanders, Ottawa, Nashville, and Vancouver. Of those five he thinks Winnipeg stands the best chance of repeating what Tampa Bay has done. Probably a bit of a stretch, but interesting that someone who has been around the NHL as long as Dave Hodge thinks that Winnipeg could pull off something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 All we need are Steve Stamkos and Ben Bishop. And for Nic Petan to become the next Tyler Johnson. FrostyWinnipeg, SPuDS and Brandon Blue&Gold 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think the jets might take a step back this year as they transition to some of their youth. Arnold_Palmer and Brandon Blue&Gold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think the jets might take a step back this year as they transition to some of their youth. I think it all depends on Pavs and Hutch.. I don't see the offense output declining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Petan had a better junior career than Johnson, Stamkos hasn't done much in the playoffs but Ehlers screams sniper for sure.. Bishop? I dunno, he looks lost some games and very good some others. I'm not comparing them cuz that's insanity but Petan,Ehlers and Hellebuyck very well could be our stamkos johnson and bishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kelownabomberfan Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Stamkos is freaking awesome. He and Jonathon Toews are two of my favorite players to watch, because they aren't just clutch guys with unbelievable talent, they are born leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Petan had a better junior career than Johnson, Stamkos hasn't done much in the playoffs but Ehlers screams sniper for sure.. Bishop? I dunno, he looks lost some games and very good some others. I'm not comparing them cuz that's insanity but Petan,Ehlers and Hellebuyck very well could be our stamkos johnson and bishop. I'd trade all 3 even up for Stamkos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I wouldn't. Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 http://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-tops-tsn-s-final-draft-ranking-1.300634 If the Jets stay true to the board, then we're getting Merkley at 17. I'd be happy with that pick. If Bittner is still around at 25 I'd grab him, otherwise Jake Debrusk. http://www.tsn.ca/jake-debrusk-left-wing-1.293927 Brandon Blue&Gold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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