Zontar Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". It's good for the league that Canada's team is strong because it's what fans across the country want. Fatty Liver and NotoriousBIG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousBIG Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". And you call them out on Riderfans for it and they ban you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousBIG Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing "IF" the CFL is serious about their salary cap rules they should occasionally conduct an official audit of suspicious accounting to keep teams in line. I nominate Mr. Taman and his "numbers-by-napkins" system as a likely benefactor of this program. The sickening smell of fudge is beginning to waft across the prairies and it's only February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing "IF" the CFL is serious about their salary cap rules they should occasionally conduct an official audit of suspicious accounting to keep teams in line. I nominate Mr. Taman and his "numbers-by-napkins" system as a likely benefactor of this program. The sickening smell of fudge is beginning to waft across the prairies and it's only February. That's a good point. Does the CFL conduct audits or is it all based on the honor system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing "IF" the CFL is serious about their salary cap rules they should occasionally conduct an official audit of suspicious accounting to keep teams in line. I nominate Mr. Taman and his "numbers-by-napkins" system as a likely benefactor of this program. The sickening smell of fudge is beginning to waft across the prairies and it's only February. That's a good point. Does the CFL conduct audits or is it all based on the honor system? Of course they do audits. Every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehedra Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Yeah I actually think Sask will be under the cap this year or just over by less than 100,000. That's just smart business, I would hope that we attempt to do the same or do what we did last year and save room for player bonuses if we don't get whom we want in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else?There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah.He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing "IF" the CFL is serious about their salary cap rules they should occasionally conduct an official audit of suspicious accounting to keep teams in line. I nominate Mr. Taman and his "numbers-by-napkins" system as a likely benefactor of this program. The sickening smell of fudge is beginning to waft across the prairies and it's only February.That's a good point. Does the CFL conduct audits or is it all based on the honor system? Of course they do audits. Every year. We may have different definitions of audits. Does the CFL go through each teams books, compare their records to players actual pay etc? I thought Walters said that basically teams just submit their salary spreadsheet to the league, they review and that's it. So my question is how thorough is the leagues review/audit? If there's no meat to the audit, teams could really abuse the SMS. NotoriousBIG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I don't understand why it can't be like the NFL or NHL where teams just can't go over, because it's always being tracked. It seems ridiculous that the Riders have been over so many times and someone only finds out after the season is over and they've won the Cup. What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 There is a forensic audit of all teams financials with serious penalties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 People tend to forget a large portion of the roster makes slightly above league minimum. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 You guys sound surprised that Taman is getting all these guys in under the cap? It should come as no surprise at all. In fact, I am willing to wager that he signs Heenan at some point for over 200k as well. This, however, does not make the Riders a better team. Common sense would dictate that Heenan should shake free because cap pressure through the rest of the lineup. Most GMs would probably agree. Not Taman...not his style. He will spend copious amounts on his top 10 players and sacrifice further down the depth chart. The star players will play like stars but the Riders will lose because Bob La Janitor and Fred Le TowelBoi making league minimum will be starters, and there entire depth chart will be picked off the scrap pile or retirement villas of the league. Injuries will hit and the Riders will begin being decimated. The Riders will finish sub .500 and everyone will blame the vets for underperforming and a couple will be thrown under the bus or coaches will be fired, for not getting more out of the Safeway bag boys they had throughout the lineup. We have all seen this movie play out before in Winnipeg. Cripes, in 2008 we were getting beat like a rented mule but managed to put 6 players on the league Allstar team. How? Because we had zero depth on our team. It sure appears that Taman is hell bent on not leaving any cap room for his depth. That is a good thing for the rest of the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousBIG Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 There is a forensic audit of all teams financials with serious penalties involved. That's BS. Yes, there are team financials, but the CFL has ZERO authority to go beyond the league boundaries . I shouldn't have to remind people here of Wetenhall having Xmas parties in MTL where Als players were reportedly given envelopes of "gifts?" Ripper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wide Right Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 You guys sound surprised that Taman is getting all these guys in under the cap? It should come as no surprise at all. In fact, I am willing to wager that he signs Heenan at some point for over 200k as well. This, however, does not make the Riders a better team. Common sense would dictate that Heenan should shake free because cap pressure through the rest of the lineup. Most GMs would probably agree. Not Taman...not his style. He will spend copious amounts on his top 10 players and sacrifice further down the depth chart. The star players will play like stars but the Riders will lose because Bob La Janitor and Fred Le TowelBoi making league minimum will be starters, and there entire depth chart will be picked off the scrap pile or retirement villas of the league. Injuries will hit and the Riders will begin being decimated. The Riders will finish sub .500 and everyone will blame the vets for underperforming and a couple will be thrown under the bus or coaches will be fired, for not getting more out of the Safeway bag boys they had throughout the lineup. We have all seen this movie play out before in Winnipeg. Cripes, in 2008 we were getting beat like a rented mule but managed to put 6 players on the league Allstar team. How? Because we had zero depth on our team. It sure appears that Taman is hell bent on not leaving any cap room for his depth. That is a good thing for the rest of the West. Most depth players are hovering around the league minimum salary so I don't understand you're argument. Fans want Walters to spend top dollar for Heenan (who is just an average Canadian Olineman in my opinion) & then chastise Taman when he spends top dollar on his top players. Sorry but that doesn't compute.Aren't you the one who said on the other site that there is no way Taman can re-sign all their top free agents? looks like they are doing exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I don't understand why it can't be like the NFL or NHL where teams just can't go over, because it's always being tracked. It seems ridiculous that the Riders have been over so many times and someone only finds out after the season is over and they've won the Cup. What's the point? The year ends Dec 31st the last time I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 You guys sound surprised that Taman is getting all these guys in under the cap? It should come as no surprise at all. In fact, I am willing to wager that he signs Heenan at some point for over 200k as well. This, however, does not make the Riders a better team. Common sense would dictate that Heenan should shake free because cap pressure through the rest of the lineup. Most GMs would probably agree. Not Taman...not his style. He will spend copious amounts on his top 10 players and sacrifice further down the depth chart. The star players will play like stars but the Riders will lose because Bob La Janitor and Fred Le TowelBoi making league minimum will be starters, and there entire depth chart will be picked off the scrap pile or retirement villas of the league. Injuries will hit and the Riders will begin being decimated. The Riders will finish sub .500 and everyone will blame the vets for underperforming and a couple will be thrown under the bus or coaches will be fired, for not getting more out of the Safeway bag boys they had throughout the lineup. We have all seen this movie play out before in Winnipeg. Cripes, in 2008 we were getting beat like a rented mule but managed to put 6 players on the league Allstar team. How? Because we had zero depth on our team. It sure appears that Taman is hell bent on not leaving any cap room for his depth. That is a good thing for the rest of the West. The most puzzling thing is that so far they have done nothing to improve their QB depth which killed them in 2014. Other than sending Kerry Joseph back to his retirement villa, which is one small step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". Esk's payroll was two to three times what the other teams were paying. Comparing that to the current Riders spending less than 100k more than other teams is hilarious to say the least. How about the stamps paying Flutie one million a year, why don't we talk about that? Or the Argo with Rocket Ismail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". And you call them out on Riderfans for it and they ban you. Before the banning they will lecture you how its okay because they've waited a long time for success and how much they deserve it and how proud they are of not being doormats any more and their fans no longer being seen as easygoing. Oh yeah , if you don't like it it means you're jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league". When Riders do it they call it "building a winner". Esk's payroll was two to three times what the other teams were paying. Comparing that to the current Riders spending less than 100k more than other teams is hilarious to say the least. How about the stamps paying Flutie one million a year, why don't we talk about that? Or the Argo with Rocket Ismail? "WE'RE NOT CHEATING AS BADLY AS OTHERS CHEATED!!!11!!!" don't ever change Rider fans, don't ever change. rebusrankin and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing So we grossly overpay. It's not like the Bombers are up against the cap like the Riders. I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing our qbs being used for punching bags by other teams defensive linemen in the league. I don't care what they pay the guy to sign him. Just sign him. Noeller, blueandgoldguy and JohnnyOnTheSpot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wide Right Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing So we grossly overpay. It's not like the Bombers are up against the cap like the Riders. I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing our qbs being used for punching bags by other teams defensive linemen in the league. I don't care what they pay the guy to sign him. Just sign him. How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else? There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah. He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK. I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point? I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing So we grossly overpay. It's not like the Bombers are up against the cap like the Riders. I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing our qbs being used for punching bags by other teams defensive linemen in the league. I don't care what they pay the guy to sign him. Just sign him. How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th. 1. Getzlaff reported salary $225,000 2. Dressler reported salary $200,000 3. Watson reported salary $120,000 4. Labatte reported salary $200,000 5. Durant reportedly makes between $300,000 and $400,000. That's five players making 1.05 and 1.15 million on a salary cap of 5 million. I didn't include Dressler's reported $200,000 bonus so 1.1 million to 1.35 million for 5 players. 20-27% of your cap tied up in five players. I didn't include NI vet starters like Emery and Best either. Can Taman afford to add $200,000-$250,000 for Heenan. Say you're adding $250,000 for Heenan. That could be 1.6 million tied up in 6 players or a third of your cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 There is a forensic audit of all teams financials with serious penalties involved. That's BS. Yes, there are team financials, but the CFL has ZERO authority to go beyond the league boundaries . I shouldn't have to remind people here of Wetenhall having Xmas parties in MTL where Als players were reportedly given envelopes of "gifts?" Parties like that count against the cap IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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