Bombers at Stamps early chat

[rebusrankin]

Reporters should have pointed out to Hogan that he did this twice in three games.

[wbbfan]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Reporters should have pointed out to Hogan that he did this twice in three games.

I watched the interview and they did talk in general about the multiple situations and he talked about making the same call with zach who also threw a td. 
 

 He really just chalks it up to poor execution and accuracy on the throws. 
 

Parts of it are better than it sounds, but parts are worse. I don’t think he gets that the co and hc are responsible for creating execution through preparation and practice. 
 I think his defence of strevys play is not great either. Clearly Chris is struggling to act quickly. Be it getting the ball out of his hands, rpo, run option or when pressured. 
 

He really harps on being right in his play call. Says he is hard on him self in review and hindsight. 
 

Seems really singular minded. Which matches what I’ve seen from his play call so far. If he thinks he’s right even if it isn’t working, he’s gonna keep doing the same thing. 
 Watching JYs interview it’s easy to see the difference and why his D has bounced back and found ways to excel. And why Hogan hasn’t. 
 

I was disappointed with hogan but happy we got Jackson. Try to hope for the best and give him the benefit of the doubt. 
 But damn, I’m worried about him as OC. Even with Jackson, he doesn’t seem ready. His complete lack of experience with being an OC at any real level is a lot to over come. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

11 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I watched the interview and they did talk in general about the multiple situations and he talked about making the same call with zach who also threw a td. 
 

 He really just chalks it up to poor execution and accuracy on the throws. 
 

Parts of it are better than it sounds, but parts are worse. I don’t think he gets that the co and hc are responsible for creating execution through preparation and practice. 
 I think his defence of strevys play is not great either. Clearly Chris is struggling to act quickly. Be it getting the ball out of his hands, rpo, run option or when pressured. 
 

He really harps on being right in his play call. Says he is hard on him self in review and hindsight. 
 

Seems really singular minded. Which matches what I’ve seen from his play call so far. If he thinks he’s right even if it isn’t working, he’s gonna keep doing the same thing. 
 Watching JYs interview it’s easy to see the difference and why his D has bounced back and found ways to excel. And why Hogan hasn’t. 
 

I was disappointed with hogan but happy we got Jackson. Try to hope for the best and give him the benefit of the doubt. 
 But damn, I’m worried about him as OC. Even with Jackson, he doesn’t seem ready. His complete lack of experience with being an OC at any real level is a lot to over come. 

An old fart of a Bomber fan here. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person by the way they carry themselves, the way, of all things, they wear hats. Go back a page and check the headgear on the three coaches. O'Shea...very old school, kind of mature, I think. Younger...he's getting there. When he first started, his cap had a really flat, straight brim and more often than not was pointing askew. Hogan...well, I'll leave it to you. And, throw in the sunglasses. IMO, he's a young, arrogant guy who, this early in his career, thinks he knows it all. At this point, he's not going to admit a mistake. IMO, he called the wrong play for the situation. Too bad he's not mature enough to accept even part responsibility. I fear that the O is in for a long, unproductive season reagardless of the talent on the field.

[DTonOB]

3 hours ago, Mike said:

I wish someone had asked him a follow up question. What’s the difference between going up 9 or 13 there? That was an inexcusable call. There was 2:58 left … run the ball twice, kill a minute at minimum … make it a two possession game with 2 minutes and change left.

Even if you give them a 13 point hole instead of 9 … it was first down, you’re giving them an entire extra minute to work with. 

From the scrum:

Q: "What's the benefit of the touchdown in that situation when you're already up 6?"

Jason Hogan: "Putting the game away. Y'know putting the game away. A 'kill shot' is really all it was. Instead of going up 3 (more) it's putting the game away, making it hard on the opponent. Little more momentum, maybe lifting the bench a little more...confidence booster, all that good stuff."

Q: "You don't feel like that same thing applies to being up 9? (blahblah about sergio being 100% FG from there)"

JH: "Sergio is going to hit...no doubt about it. But I think defense tries to go 0, 1, 3. We try and go 6, 3. Right? So that's the mindset behind being in the red zone is trying to be...trying to take shots when we need to when they're there. And we felt at that time was the right time."

[coach17]

15 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

An old fart of a Bomber fan here. Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person by the way they carry themselves, the way, of all things, they wear hats. Go back a page and check the headgear on the three coaches. O'Shea...very old school, kind of mature, I think. Younger...he's getting there. When he first started, his cap had a really flat, straight brim and more often than not was pointing askew. Hogan...well, I'll leave it to you. And, throw in the sunglasses. IMO, he's a young, arrogant guy who, this early in his career, thinks he knows it all. At this point, he's not going to admit a mistake. IMO, he called the wrong play for the situation. Too bad he's not mature enough to accept even part responsibility. I fear that the O is in for a long, unproductive season reagardless of the talent on the field.

Ya I agree, after watching that , then seeing Younger and the way he handled himself I have no confidence in this new OC. Kind of reminds me a bit of Kellys arrogance. I think its time for a mid season change and put Jackson in charge of that O, otherwise going to be a long season.

[17to85]

18 minutes ago, DTonOB said:

From the scrum:

Q: "What's the benefit of the touchdown in that situation when you're already up 6?"

Jason Hogan: "Putting the game away. Y'know putting the game away. A 'kill shot' is really all it was. Instead of going up 3 (more) it's putting the game away, making it hard on the opponent. Little more momentum, maybe lifting the bench a little more...confidence booster, all that good stuff."

Q: "You don't feel like that same thing applies to being up 9? (blahblah about sergio being 100% FG from there)"

JH: "Sergio is going to hit...no doubt about it. But I think defense tries to go 0, 1, 3. We try and go 6, 3. Right? So that's the mindset behind being in the red zone is trying to be...trying to take shots when we need to when they're there. And we felt at that time was the right time."

Did someone rightly call him an idiot for that answer?

 

I mean he knows that missing that play can lead to a turnover right? Situational awareness is huge as a coach and it was lapos main flaw

[bigg jay]

25 minutes ago, DTonOB said:

 

JH: "Sergio is going to hit...no doubt about it. But I think defense tries to go 0, 1, 3. We try and go 6, 3. Right? So that's the mindset behind being in the red zone is trying to be...trying to take shots when we need to when they're there. And we felt at that time was the right time."

Key part from his own answer, that he's oblivious to, is that they didn't need to take the shot there.

[Mike]

35 minutes ago, DTonOB said:

From the scrum:

Q: "What's the benefit of the touchdown in that situation when you're already up 6?"

Jason Hogan: "Putting the game away. Y'know putting the game away. A 'kill shot' is really all it was. Instead of going up 3 (more) it's putting the game away, making it hard on the opponent. Little more momentum, maybe lifting the bench a little more...confidence booster, all that good stuff."

Q: "You don't feel like that same thing applies to being up 9? (blahblah about sergio being 100% FG from there)"

JH: "Sergio is going to hit...no doubt about it. But I think defense tries to go 0, 1, 3. We try and go 6, 3. Right? So that's the mindset behind being in the red zone is trying to be...trying to take shots when we need to when they're there. And we felt at that time was the right time."

I feel like you not adding your own commentary tells me how you feel about that answer 

 

all I know is he needs to learn from that, because that is an absolute clown answer 

[rebusrankin]

Thinking that your decisions are always right and being inflexible is a huge red flag. Everybody should reflect and adapt.

[17to85]

19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Thinking that your decisions are always right and being inflexible is a huge red flag. Everybody should reflect and adapt.

Unless you're like me and always right

[3rdand1.5]

Run, run, field goal....period 

Snap at 1 second each...

Clock and score awareness...

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Did someone rightly call him an idiot for that answer?

 

I mean he knows that missing that play can lead to a turnover right? Situational awareness is huge as a coach and it was lapos main flaw

Lapo’s main flaw is he would have played for the FG there with 10 minutes left in the game to go up 9 and then lose by 2-3 after getting outscored by 11 points the rest of the game.

[Zach Schnitzer]

1 hour ago, DTonOB said:

From the scrum:

Q: "What's the benefit of the touchdown in that situation when you're already up 6?"

Jason Hogan: "Putting the game away. Y'know putting the game away. A 'kill shot' is really all it was. Instead of going up 3 (more) it's putting the game away, making it hard on the opponent. Little more momentum, maybe lifting the bench a little more...confidence booster, all that good stuff."

Q: "You don't feel like that same thing applies to being up 9? (blahblah about sergio being 100% FG from there)"

JH: "Sergio is going to hit...no doubt about it. But I think defense tries to go 0, 1, 3. We try and go 6, 3. Right? So that's the mindset behind being in the red zone is trying to be...trying to take shots when we need to when they're there. And we felt at that time was the right time."

DT did an amazing job of holding Hogan’s feet to the fire. 
 
The play-call was absolutely indefensible. And Hogan’s defensiveness and arrogance in the interview was almost worse. 
 

A couple weeks back, he also lauded his offence’s ability to get 400+ yards, even though they lost by 21 points and most of the yards were in garbage-time. 
 

To be young and inexperienced is understandable. To be defensive, rigid, and arrogant is not. I am officially concerned. 

[Bigblue204]

It happened at Home against CGY too. Inside the ten (I believe, at the very least it was in the redzone), instead of giving it to Brady, they put it in the hands of Strev who then misplaces a ball that is picked off and the game was essentially over. So there was already a reason to maybe not do that (let Strev throw in that situation) and he did it anyway and almost gave the game away. Sure, Streveler underthrew it. But acting like it was a needed "kill shot" is just odd.

Hogan, we can do simple math. This isn't SSK.

[Blue In BC]

14 hours ago, Booch said:

3 Canadian receivers...well we better trade for a legit one...cause Demski...Clercius and Corcoran ain't gonna win us many games...especially with Sterns and Wheatfall as the imports

 

That's a load if crap...pathetic thing to say...

 

Coaching kills us...said it many times

 

Yeah...agreed...all comes down to again poor roster management and usage of assets

 

Yup...he has zero street cred yet...to say something like that is not a good look

Our Canadian receivers are not the best in the CFL except for Demski. So I'm not a fan of that choice starting 3 Canadians. We didn't keep any of all the import rookies we looked at in tryout camps or TC. So that was an absolute failure. Sterns is not horrible for a 3rd or 4th guy but he's not going to scare defences. Obviously losing Schoen didn't help but our choices are extremely limited with only Mitchell and new guy on the PR.

The only advantage with 3 Canadian receivers if we use the extra import elsewhere effectively. What did we decide? Adding Cooley while bumping Peterson as the back up RB. That made zero sense and I expect it to change this week with some players coming off of IR. Of the choices we have, I'm not sure which they will choose.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Blue In BC

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[WinnipegGordo]

Rest of the practice week:

Tuesday, August 5
Practice: 11:30 a.m. - 1:10 p.m.

Wednesday, August 6
Closed practice

Thursday, August 7
Off day – no availability

Friday, August 8
Travel to Calgary

[Noeller]

Really shitty to see Lawson out. Even more reps for Jake is bad news all around. Unless they have enough sense to just insert Woods for Lawson and rotate him in there, and either play less NIs or start a Canadian somewhere else...

[BomberBall.]

13 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Really shitty to see Lawson out. Even more reps for Jake is bad news all around. Unless they have enough sense to just insert Woods for Lawson and rotate him in there, and either play less NIs or start a Canadian somewhere else...

Yup, exactly what I thought when I read Lawson was out again.  And we know there is ZERO chance they trim Jake’s snaps for an import.  Ugh.

[JuranBoldenRules]

15 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Really shitty to see Lawson out. Even more reps for Jake is bad news all around. Unless they have enough sense to just insert Woods for Lawson and rotate him in there, and either play less NIs or start a Canadian somewhere else...

If they popped on Bailey, global DE, straight across for Lawson.  Use him in that Cheetah front with all the ends on 2nd and long, maybe 15 snaps a game, put Woods on for the most surplus of the American LB's...keeping in mind majority of D snaps we have 1 of them on the field...maybe see 2 more this week vs Calgary over Toronto who doesn't try to run at all.  Jefferson, Vaughters, Person, Bailey (counts as a Canadian effectively), Woods, Adams, Thomas, Kornelson.  Solid group of 8.  Bailey and Person for sure can cover kicks.

Likely keeping 3 Canadian OL starting with Vanterpool out.  3 OL, 2 receivers, 1 running back, 1 Canadian/Global on the field every snap on D.  So between Kramdi and Kelly you've basically satisfied that.  Any reps Canadian DL or LB get is extra.  And lots of coverage for that Canadian spot if something funny happens.

[Atomic]

I don't know how they are going to manage the roster this week. Especially if they want to get Woods and Bryant on. I think they're going to have to pull at least one of Ayers or J. Jones, and pull Randolph/Lofton out of the lineup.

I guess:

OFF: Artopoeus, Cooley, Lawson, Parker, Randolph, Ayers

ON: Collaros, Mitchell, Woods, Bryant, Lawson Jr., Peterson

They could also bring on Bailey or Schmekel instead of Peterson but then they are going without a backup RB.

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I don't know how they are going to manage the roster this week. Especially if they want to get Woods and Bryant on. I think they're going to have to pull at least one of Ayers or J. Jones, and pull Randolph/Lofton out of the lineup.

I guess:

OFF: Artopoeus, Cooley, Lawson, Parker, Randolph, Ayers

ON: Collaros, Mitchell, Woods, Bryant, Lawson Jr., Peterson

They could also bring on Bailey or Schmekel instead of Peterson but then they are going without a backup RB.

Peterson for Cobb I would bet if Mitchell is going on.

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I don't know how they are going to manage the roster this week. Especially if they want to get Woods and Bryant on. I think they're going to have to pull at least one of Ayers or J. Jones, and pull Randolph/Lofton out of the lineup.

I guess:

OFF: Artopoeus, Cooley, Lawson, Parker, Randolph, Ayers

ON: Collaros, Mitchell, Woods, Bryant, Lawson Jr., Peterson

They could also bring on Bailey or Schmekel instead of Peterson but then they are going without a backup RB.

Idk if we will go with 2 imp dts and Jake. I think schmekel/kornelson will find their way on for sure. I’d be pretty happy if woods gets on though. 

[rebusrankin]

10 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I don't know how they are going to manage the roster this week. Especially if they want to get Woods and Bryant on. I think they're going to have to pull at least one of Ayers or J. Jones, and pull Randolph/Lofton out of the lineup.

I guess:

OFF: Artopoeus, Cooley, Lawson, Parker, Randolph, Ayers

ON: Collaros, Mitchell, Woods, Bryant, Lawson Jr., Peterson

They could also bring on Bailey or Schmekel instead of Peterson but then they are going without a backup RB.

Collaros for Artopoeus

Mitchell for Cooley

Dawson Jr for Parker

Peterson for Cobb

Bailey for Lawson

Bryant for Randolph

Woods for Ayers

I believe I have managed it well