GCn20 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 7 hours ago, wbbfan said: Ford is raw as a teams guy mostly returning kicks in college and won’t out do exume who got drafted based on teams ability alone and has been doing it at a high level for 4 seasons. Hallett wasn’t our best teams guy at any point in his time here. Clements cut his teeth in this league as a strong teams guy. We spent the last 3 drafts picking teams guys with little to show for it. The last 3 drafts haven't been particularly stellar for any teams. We are losing way too much of our top end draft talent to the NFL now. rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, wbbfan said: Ford is raw as a teams guy mostly returning kicks in college and won’t out do exume who got drafted based on teams ability alone and has been doing it at a high level for 4 seasons. Hallett wasn’t our best teams guy at any point in his time here. Clements cut his teeth in this league as a strong teams guy. We spent the last 3 drafts picking teams guys with little to show for it. our best teams guys consistantly last year from what I saw was Kelly..Cole...Cadwalder...Bolo....Gauthier....I exclude Exume from his work after getting here because he is gone now and is a under appreciated big loss And yup...draft strategy failed last several drafts now for quality team depth, and we need to shift the mindset.....I have said before you can make anyone a good teams player....you cant make a good teams guy a useful rotational guy/back-up If we keep all these picks this yr, focus should be on the best players on the board and not just these one trick pony guys, as it has severly depleted our quality of depth... I don't see Murphy amounting to much here, or really offering us much either other than a guy to stand on the sidelines....and not see a rep for the next several yrs if e keep him...now looking back at last few seasons mybe he does have a purpose as we have shown a penchant for dressing guys who didnt even need thier shoes tied up Piggy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 On 2024-03-05 at 3:22 PM, Noeller said: some real "nose of the plane is pointed straight down" takes in this thread for sure.... cripes. Not much in the way of expectations for '24... Bubba Zanetti, wbbfan, Bigblue204 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, GCn20 said: The last 3 drafts haven't been particularly stellar for any teams. We are losing way too much of our top end draft talent to the NFL now.agreed ,looks like 5-7 prospects will end ip in nfl camps ty Edited March 7 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 9 hours ago, wbbfan said: Ford is raw as a teams guy mostly returning kicks in college and won’t out do exume who got drafted based on teams ability alone and has been doing it at a high level for 4 seasons. Hallett wasn’t our best teams guy at any point in his time here. Clements cut his teeth in this league as a strong teams guy. We spent the last 3 drafts picking teams guys with little to show for it. Need to look at the stats before making comments,, Hallet led team in st tackles. ly, clements had 6 ,and only 4 the previous yr. Ford In his rookie season had 10 st tackles. Exume is good but was also cut by mtrl midseason wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, Pete said: Need to look at the stats before making comments,, Hallet led team in st tackles. ly, clements had 6 ,and only 4 the previous yr. Ford In his rookie season had 10 st tackles. Exume is good but was also cut by mtrl midseason Oh so you’re one of those guys who thinks the only thing that matters on special teams is who makes the tackle. You know not every position on a cover team is “guy whose primary job is make every tackle”, right? You know there are no tackles to be made on plays where our guys are helping block for OUR returner, right? wbbfan, Jesse, Piggy 1 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Mike said: Oh so you’re one of those guys who thinks the only thing that matters on special teams is who makes the tackle. You know not every position on a cover team is “guy whose primary job is make every tackle”, right? You know there are no tackles to be made on plays where our guys are helping block for OUR returner, right? Just responding to the players that were named in terms of their contribution Everyone has a role, but if you point at exume and clements being gone means we are going to be bad,, back it up. Of importance also is that we are replacing st coach to address some of those shortfalls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 The most important person is the person who has the contain responsibilities. Force the returner into coverage. When the Bombers were at their best on SP, they had guys who were disciplined and did not chase tackles but stuck to their jobs. Piggy 1, Noeller, JCon and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 So who should we be hoping for with our three top 20 picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: So who should we be hoping for with our three top 20 picks? We can't even tell who's making the team when we watch practices and pre-season games. How the hell are we expected to know who is good when we've never seen any of these guys play? JCon and Tracker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 4 hours ago, GCn20 said: The last 3 drafts haven't been particularly stellar for any teams. We are losing way too much of our top end draft talent to the NFL now. That’s true. I suspect this is the new normal. Which sucks. Imo we need a developmental system for Canadian kids. The gap between rookie imps and nis has never been bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Pete said: Need to look at the stats before making comments,, Hallet led team in st tackles. ly, clements had 6 ,and only 4 the previous yr. Ford In his rookie season had 10 st tackles. Exume is good but was also cut by mtrl midseason Tackles doesn’t mean much. Maruo was leading us in sts tackles couple years ago and got benched. Kick cover is one role in teams which has a lot of different sets and roles. Wes lysack was leading the league in tackles here in his last season. We cut him mid season. Tackles are not a success indicator. Not on teams not on D. 1 hour ago, Pete said: Just responding to the players that were named in terms of their contribution Everyone has a role, but if you point at exume and clements being gone means we are going to be bad,, back it up. Of importance also is that we are replacing st coach to address some of those shortfalls They are pointed at because they are strong teams players. Exume was good here last year after we picked him up and we improved with him here but he didn’t stack up tackles. The Hallets are good soldiers good players. They aren’t great or the best at any thing. 29 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: So who should we be hoping for with our three top 20 picks? All depends on who gets nfl deals, camp invites etc. still guys declaring for the draft too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Cleveland browns are the most successful franchise in modern sports history. Along with the maple leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 51 minutes ago, Jesse said: We can't even tell who's making the team when we watch practices and pre-season games. How the hell are we expected to know who is good when we've never seen any of these guys play? Not seeing a person play has never stopped anyone from judging them before. Tracker and rebusrankin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Not seeing a person play has never stopped anyone from judging them before. I like Gabe Wallace because he plays for Buffalo and wears 69 JCon, Tracker, rebusrankin and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, wbbfan said: That’s true. I suspect this is the new normal. Which sucks. Imo we need a developmental system for Canadian kids. The gap between rookie imps and nis has never been bigger. This year an entire 1st round of talent is going to be gone to the NFL. It's like every draft starts with 2nd round talent now outside of maybe the top 1 or 2 picks. 1 hour ago, wbbfan said: Cleveland browns are the most successful franchise in modern sports history. Along with the maple leafs. Don't forget the 4 stripes....but could you imagine being a Leafs fan? No one has ever seen them win a cup on a color TV. Edited March 7 by GCn20 wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegGordo Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, wbbfan said: Cleveland browns are the most successful franchise in modern sports history. Along with the maple leafs. This never gets old. Bigblue204, rebusrankin and wbbfan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, GCn20 said: This year an entire 1st round of talent is going to be gone to the NFL. It's like every draft starts with 2nd round talent now outside of maybe the top 1 or 2 picks. Don't forget the 4 stripes....but could you imagine being a Leafs fan? No one has ever seen them win a cup on a color TV. Yep. Might even be more than that with camp invites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, 17to85 said: Not seeing a person play has never stopped anyone from judging them before. Even for guys you’ve seen every single snap of, or that top level scouts have, there is a good 80% crap shoot on rookies. Some guys can do stuff and show it at other levels, in other leagues, or even other cfl teams and not replicate that success after a team change. A great example is the scout who suggested drafting Albert pujols in baseball. Late pick super low opinion of him pujols got him run through the wringer for those opinions despite him getting drafted. And he had a hof career. Some times it’s competition level, athleticism, work ethic/preparedness, or desire or a bunch of other things. A guy I was super sold on was Fred Otis amey a sac state wr. Saw soo many of his games and games in the conference. But he just didn’t get it done. All you can do is look at what a guy can do at the level/team/league they left and project how they would fare if they can execute here. Some times they will, some times they won’t, and some times a guy drastically over achieves and makes it look easy like schoen. Every one who watched any of schoen from games to highlights was excited about him coming into camp. No one thought he’d instantly own the league. Barrett last year looked like a blue chip lber prospect came in and looked totally lost in pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegGordo Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Another receiver has been signed -Josh Johnson out of Tulsa. He went to Detroit's camp in 2022 and played in the USFL last year. rebusrankin, bb1, JCon and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublezero Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, WinnipegGordo said: Another receiver has been signed -Josh Johnson out of Tulsa. He went to Detroit's camp in 2022 and played in the USFL last year. Runs like Milt. Noeller and Tracker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, WinnipegGordo said: Another receiver has been signed -Josh Johnson out of Tulsa. He went to Detroit's camp in 2022 and played in the USFL last year. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/josh-johnson-tulsa-wr-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/ interesting mixed review. Looks like he has tons of talent and potential. Also looks like a gamer. Top 10 pr player is an interesting accolade. Some guys tear it up in practice and camp. David kircus a wr with the lions was that guy for like 3-4 years. Looked like a world beater in practice. Didn’t get a ton of shots when he did was ok. Certainly fits the flashy talent. Lacking size and athleticism isn’t easy. He’s a lot like McKnight but also the exact opposite talents while also being a poor testing small guy. Could really blow up in rookie camp. WinnipegGordo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, Doublezero said: Runs like Milt. Fluid gait, exceptional body control and adjusts to the ball well. Interesting battles at receiver coming up. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 On 2024-03-07 at 10:00 AM, wbbfan said: Wes lysack was leading the league in tackles here in his last season. We cut him mid season. Tackles are not a success indicator. Not on teams not on D. When it's a safety who leads the team in tackles, that is definitely an indicator of something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Jaylen Hall, WR out of WKU signed to the roster bb1, wbbfan and JCon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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