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  1. 5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

    I'm not going to go back pages to see if this subect was discussed just because you told KBF to do so. I know already & I'll answer KBF's question with a bit of background detail for him, you & everyone else,

    Jim Van Pelt signed with the Bombers out of the University of Michigan. In 1958, he made the team as a rookie backup qb & played defensive back while Ploen was the starter. Midway during the 58 season, Ploen suffered an injury & Van Pelt took over. He played so well that Ploen couldn't get his starting qb job back. So he moved to the defensive backfield & played very well there. So well, that he had one interception in 1958 & another 10 the following season for 104 yards in 1959.  Ploen was named a CFL Western Conference All Star that season at DB even though he came back to play qb the rest of the way after Van Pelt's shoulder injury.

    Van Pelt started the 1958 Grey Cup & Ploen subbed in for  some plays as well. So they both played the position in that championship game with Van Pelt getting the majority of the snaps. Van Pelt was also the Bomber placekicker. He kicked two field goals & 4 converts that game in a 35-28 win over the Ti Cats. 

    In 1959, Van Pelt again was the starter but suffered a hand injury during the exhibition season. He had to wear a cast on his non throwing hand. Still, he didn't miss a snap. In late September of 59, Van Pelt suffered a separated shoulder which ended his season & unfortunately his career with the Bombers. He never played for us again. During the off season, in late 1959, Van Pelt was drafted into the US Air Force for a 3 year hitch. After suffering his separated shoulder, Ploen had taken over from Van Pelt & he never looked back as he became the starting qb for the Bombers until he retired after the 1967 season. In between, winning 2 more Grey Cup championships at qb & also a finalist in 1965.

    Van Pelt completed his Air Force duties in late fall of 1962. He was a special guest of the Bombers at the Grey Cup in Toronto as they wined & dined he & his wife in order to convince them he should come back, They tried to get Van Pelt to sign a new contract for the 63 season with the Bombers but he turned down the offer to become a chartered accountant in Chicago where he lived until he passed away last year.

    Who knows why he turned down the Bomber offer as ther CFL was paying as good or better than the NFL at the time.  Van Pelt showed no interest to play in the upstart AFL which began in 1960. However, salaries were beginning to rise as the new league was competing with the NFL & CFL for players. The Canadian dollar was on par with the US dollar back in those days so there were no implications with the exchange rate for American players going back to the US in the off season. Perhaps Van Pelt felt that the team belonged to Ken Ploen now after being away 3 years. Maybe he felt that he had lost his edge. He certainly lost his desire to play as he was ready to move on to other things than football. Whatever the case, he never came back. He settled into private life in the Chicago area. 

    So KBF, Ploen never started 4 consecutive Grey Cups as a qb but he won 3 as a starter & played in 6 championships. 

    this was a great read, Thanks @SpeedFlex27.... the old school days were wild... imagine Dru Brown realizes he's not going to unseat Zach as the starter so he just goes and becomes an all-star DB... though I guess TSN thinks he plays there...

  2. 11 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

    Fajardo or not, this won't be easy. Montreal D feasted on us this year. Buck needs to have some tricks up his sleeve. Hopefully he opens up the playbook.

    “Feasted” would be a strong characterization… yes they had 2 pick sixes in the last meeting… but our O also put up 6 TDs against them in that game…

    as others have mentioned… the key to winning this game is playing clean on offense and don’t let their defense/ST beat us

  3. 22 hours ago, Brandon said:

    I'd call it a learning experience for Dinwiddie and Kelly,  I expect that next year they wont lay an egg.    

     

     

    6 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

    Will the Argos be able to field as good as a lineup? Wont Kelly be making 400k more than this season?

    This is exactly what I was thinking too… if you’re the Argo fan the concern is that Kelly failed miserably with a supremely talented team around him… next year he needs to carry this team… can he do it or will his contract become a major anchor?

  4. 9 hours ago, Rod Black said:

    Friends offered the Theory that Brady was bagged, exhausted, but not injured, after the first half. End of game he had 21 carries, 3 targets, 2 receptions, 124 total yards, mostly in the first half, aàplus the blocking assignments, guy was a one man army. 
     

    and that Prukop shot gun snap play at the 3 was…stupid. 

    If you’re throwing in prukop from the three… just bring in the jumbo package and go short yardage… I’m 100% convinced they would’ve scored on two attempts, if not one 

    either that or leave the regular offense out… no need for overthinking that 

  5. 37 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

    Every one ready to see the marine on the gdr? I’m mentally prepared for a full on mos roster management moment. No fox, Parker, back up cover db, back up imp dl, ni wr, oh I’m gonna be sick. Nope im ready im ready. 
     

    I get and agree with your point... but I can't imagine we make a significant roster change after using a similar weekly lineup in a 14-4 season... To my limited knowledge, a Canadian FB with the extra DA on defense seems to make way more sense... but I don't see it happening and I'll have to concede to the experts and hope they are right.

  6. I mean, any given Sunday (Saturday) and all.... but I just don't see any way Montreal wins this game... or there are multiple things that need to happen... (1) Toronto has to be really rusty.... (2) Mtl needs to get an early lead... (3) Mtl needs to defend the lead with run game (including Fajardo scrambles) and defense... should be an easy W for the Argos.  

  7. 32 minutes ago, Noeller said:

    And has been consistently one of the most intelligent, well spoken and knowledgeable posters on CFL message boards going back to the early days of OB.com. He's more than earned my trust and respect. 

    I agree with you and I trust his football knowledge more than most here... but he, himself, said it was purely speculation... where is that speculation coming from?... gut feeling?... if there was any smoke to this, someone from the media would've said something by now... I'm not saying it won't happen... it just feels like nothing right now

  8. On 2023-11-07 at 10:08 AM, Stickem said:

    The cat's will never have a winner with this guy at the helm.....in 2 positions....The 'caretaker' is blind if he thinks there's ever going to be success with Steinauer....The saying that 'nice guys finish last' is never more truer, when you have Orlando in a CFL conversation

    maybe Green Day will play it at half time and dedicate it to Coach O...

    On 2023-11-07 at 12:20 PM, wbbfan said:

     

    Perfect example. Burke was maybe the most decorated and successful dc of his era. One fail as a hc and done. Devone claybrooks is another excellent dc who crashed and burned as a hc and was never heard from again
     Chris jones imo is a failed hc up jumped dc. 

    I think it's a little soon to say he'll never be heard from again... it's only been two years and he's only 46 years old... If any team is looking for a DC next year, he'll definitely be on the list. 

  9. 7 minutes ago, bluto said:

    If he was my pick for QB all-star (he isn't, Collaros had a better year), that's not the argument that I'd have used to justify it. Sure, he's the QB of a historically good team, but it's the "valuable" argument that make him look best. And 1 for 1, I don't think there's a guy in the league I'd feel happy to swap him for.

    I don't totally disagree with the selection... I just thought the justification was a joke... and assuming his contract didn't carry over (bc that would obviously effect the roster composition)... the Argos would be an even better team with Collaros as QB

  10. 6 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:

    I hope its -25C and the leos huddle around that stupid space heater while our boys are out there in sleeves.

    I get your point but at some point it gets so cold, it levels out... at -25 both teams will be uncomfortable... like we saw in 2021 against Sask... game was closer than it should've been because of the cold...

    something around -5 is perfect... enough to make BC shiver while Wpg will be in their comfort zone.  

  11. Not only does Calgary need to run the ball to have any shot... they need to be able to get an early lead... if BC gets down early they are going to rely even more on the home run shots... because they don't have much else for offense... Calgary needs to control ball possession, maintain the lead, and defensively win 50/50s at about a 75/25 rate.... that said, I still think BC wins fairly easily  

  12. On 2023-11-02 at 10:37 AM, bigg jay said:

    4 TD's from punt returns & 6 from interceptions.  The Bombers only had 3 that didn't come from the offence (1 punt return, 1 interception & one fumble recovery).

    it's too bad I can specifically remember our three non-offense touchdowns... Grant vs Sask, Houston vs Cgy, and Biggie vs Edm... would prefer to have so many, I can't possibly remember them all 

    18 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

    Holm over Nichols?

    won't somebody please think of the knockdowns!!

  13. 2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

    Looked up modp, jovon is the only db to ever win. First half Fleming won one some how, explain that to Doug brown please some one lol. Dt bayliss in 93, dt dr death (what a nick name) and Helton in 74. 4 out of 48. 44 de/lbers. 
    for mop soli won it in 14 then hal Paterson in 56 for defensive players. 
     Mol going back to 74 has never gone to a dl. 
    teams has never gone to any one but a kr/kicker. Not a punter not a cover guy. And we’ve seen a couple good blocked kick years from guys in the early ots too. 

    The award is "most outstanding Offensive Lineman"... not most outstanding lineman

  14. 19 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

    STAMPS, LIONS INJURY REPORTS: BEGELTON, MIZZELL FULL PARTICIPANTS ON TUES.

    The Stamps began their week without defensive lineman Terrell McClain (ankle) and defensive back Brad Muhammad (hand). Defensive back Branden Dozier (calf) was limited. The Stamps’ healthy scratches from their regular season finale were all full participants on Tuesday.

    In Vancouver, the Lions were without defensive back Jalon Edwards-Cooper (shoulder) and running back Kienan Lafrance (triceps). Running back Taquan Mizzell (ribs) was a full participant on Tuesday.

     

    https://www.cfl.ca/2023/10/31/stamps-lions-injury-reports-begelton-mizzell-full-participants-on-tues/

    TICATS, ALS INJURY REPORTS: JULIEN GRANT SITS OUT ON TUESDAY

    Three players sat out for the Ticats on Tuesday, including receiver Tyler Ternowski (shoulder), defensive back Nic Cross (knee) and defensive lineman Jonathan Kongbo (head).

    In Montreal, the Alouettes opened their week of practice without five players, including wide receiver Kaion Julien-Grant (shoulder) and offensive lineman Pier-Olivier Lestage (knee).

    https://www.cfl.ca/2023/10/31/ticats-als-injury-reports-julien-grant-sits-out-on-tuesday/

    I had no idea Lefrance was still in the league...

    10 hours ago, Brandon said:

    If (when) they meet up in the finals it will be a 50/50 game that will come down to who can make the big plays and who can win the turn over battle.   Like F last year we have a kicker and Prukop not tossing a lame duck that game more then likely ends differently.   It usually comes down to a few plays

    I don't love to rehash these memories... but to me there were 5 major moments where if any ONE of those were reversed, the Bombers would've won:

    1. Leigghio missed kick
    2. Prukop 4th quarter INT
    3. Collaros 4th quarter INT
    4. not stopping the Argos on 2nd and 20
    5. Jeffcoat injury (I'm convinced this would have subsequently also reversed #4)

  15. 27 minutes ago, Booch said:

    but according to RFans...its a conspiracy...and refs favour us hahaha

    Could never be a case of reputation preceding you tho.....much like their undisciplined bottom of the league mark

    lot of that goes to vets in locker room setting the culture and how to go about things on and off field more than anything....But also Walters and Osh bringing in, and keeping the character guys too

    It's funny how the league always decides to favour the teams that are already good...

  16. 16 hours ago, Booch said:

    So Kelly has trully been.....outstanding...hahahaha....or shall we say average?....to good?

    watch this....Duane Ford at around the 11:45 minute mark makes great sense...and nails the Argo thing on the head

     

    I only listened for about 20 mins... but this seems like a fantastic podcast... might help that Bob was on (unless he's a regular)... and providing full league wide coverage, not just the Ticats was nice. 

  17. 36 minutes ago, Noeller said:

    I don't believe anyone ever said that in seriousness. There is a lot of joking on here about Jackson being on the roster purely because of how animated the anti-Jackson sentiment became, but I don't believe there's a single poster who believes that Jackson being on the roster is a good thing. 

    There have been people who have pointed out specific plays where Jackson made a significant contribution... but I don't recall anyone saying he was significant to the overall run game

  18. 52 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

    Was Madani.

    Just voted for CFL East and West awards.

    Of note, Brady Oliveira for West MOP, but Betts over Oliveira for Top Canadian in the West. Betts' impact in games was staggering.

    Crum got my vote for East rookie of the year. What they asked him to do was wild, right into the fire.

    — Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) October 29, 2023

    I think, for me, the worst part is his justification that Betts' impact was "staggering".... was it staggering how invisible he was for about 6-8 games this year too?... If "impact in games" is your barometer... the winner is Brady by a mile

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