21 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

All the best to BA... one of the greats of the trinity era... wish he could've achieved his goals here... but good for him to do what's best for himself.

22 hours ago, bigg jay said:

I'd be more inclined to believe that maybe they've turned a corner, if they hadn't s**t the bed so bad in the 2nd half against Montreal. 6 of the last 8 quarters they've played have been great but those other two were absolutely terrible. The lack of consistency (game to game, half to half and even quarter to quarter) makes it really hard to predict how the rest of the season goes.

I think you meant Edmonton... but yeah, if we were coming off back to back, complete game wins against the #1 team in the west and the #1 team in the east... there certainly would be more hopeful feelings around here

13 hours ago, Tracker said:

There are lies, damned lies and there are statistics. Giving up yardage is one thing, but giving it up in critical situations is quite another. I believe it is called choking.

to me, giving up 13 yards on 2nd and 14 is absolutely blowing a 2nd and long situation... the stats just don't show it like that... that was my point

13 hours ago, Tracker said:

Hasn't worked so far, and it appears unlikely to now.

Arguably, the bottom hasn't truly fallen out in previous years... the team has been progressively declining but they can still say "we won 10+ games every year" and "we keep making the playoffs"... a 6-7 win season would be a proper bottoming out

10 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

If you want to actually be optimistic.

Playing the Als twice you might catch them with their pants down in one of those meetings and catch lightning in a bottle and play a whole game like they played the first half against Edmonton.

Riders look like a mess right now

They've already beat the Argos

They've split against Calgary and they are Jekyll and Hide anyways

They've played Edmonton strong twice now and two weeks out of the playoffs they could be in coast mode

BC they played well for 56 minutes and who knows what level of competition there could be in the last week of the season.

We've got 3 teams on the West who all look extremely flawed, and one team whose recent play just busted that out of that moniker. Things are wide open.

Also playing October Vernon Adams is much different than July Vernon Adams...

4 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

You are in luck!

Going into Week 12 the Bombers opponents were 39/110 for a success rate 35.5 percent at 2nd and 7+, which was good for 3rd in the league behind Saskatchewan and BC.

The 2nd and 14 you mentioned wouldnt count as a success in your stat, and the Bombers were 13/15 on 3rd and 0-2 which is 7th in the league.

35.5% is historically better than average for a defense, back to 2023.

FWIW the Bombers are above average in preventing TDs in the red zone, below average in preventing TD drives overall, and exactly average at forcing 2 and outs (although they are RiGHT THERE for a 3 way tie for 3rd)

Thanks for this... I figured the stats wouldn't necessarily align with the "feel" of it... in that example drive, it "felt like" the Bombers gave up 3 consecutive 2nd and long conversations... but in reality, it was 1/3

1 hour ago, Booch said:

soft scheme...and zero DB aggresion...Just let play come to them as opposed to actually making a play on a ball...passive play not to lose approach...or play with risk....but it's killing us

Is this stat tracked anywhere?... I would love to know what our record is against 2nd and long this year... I think it was the first drive of the second half in this game where Edm almost converted 3 consecutive 2nd and longs (the shortest was 2nd and 8, and one they got 13 yards on 2nd and 14, then easily converted the 3rd and 1)... the only reason they didn't get the 3rd is because the receiver dropped the ball

19 minutes ago, Booch said:

a sad reality just peeking around the corner...If we lose this week...which is a 99.5% certainty if we change nothing...and that's a 99.5 certainty as well, and CGY beats the Elks...we in the basement at the 11 game mark of the season

Then we have MTL..SSK..SSK...BYE...TO..MTL...CGY...EDM

I have a real hard time seeing us crawl outta the gutter looking at that next 7 game stretch as we likely are 6 and 11 after that...Maybeeeee 7 and 10 but that's being ultra optimistic...especially if with that bye wedged in there we just stand pat with the excuses and justification of the what's and why's...which also is probably a 90 percent certainty

We also close out vs BC who could be playing for a position in standings too so wont be sitting anyone

It could quite possibly be a tasty lil 7 and 11 season....and a continuation of the current 5 yr slide...5 yrs!!! and significantly worse than previous...... Definitely not going to get us 3rd, and high chance of no cross over as a 4th place finish in West is a pipe dream with 7 wins, and even then...that may not even cut it for the crossover

unfortunately a 6-7 win team might be the best thing to happen to this management (coaches included)... maybe it'll wake them up... or, they'll continue on the path of complacency...

I'm not sure if this has been discussed in other threads... but why is our defense sooooo bad at 2nd and long situations?... it seems like teams convert like 75% against us when it's 2nd and 8-15.... or at least they get it to 3rd and 1....

2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

100%.

Woodbey was spinning like a top in Edmonton. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets demoted, sat for Jaworski/Dixon if they think one of them is ready or recast as more of a DE.

Jones is injured. As much as people want to **** on him he's probably the best run-stopping/blitzing LB we have.

100% but a one-dimensional (does blitzing and run stopping count as two dimensions??) guy is not what you want as your starting MLB

Hate to be a debbie downer... but when in Rome...

I'm expecting a blow out win by the Elks.... followed by zero changes to the Bombers rosters... and another blow out win by the Als next week... I wish I could have optimism about our team right now...

The plus of being negative... I'll be very happy to be wrong

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Is it possible you're answering your own question?

I mean, maybe... but I think most would agree we could use a little help on offense.. and don't need so many linebackers

the fact that we have 2 American LBs for essentially only ST... is mind-boggling... keep Ball on for Hazen and dress a receiver... hell, dress Stuart for teams and add another O skill player... that seems fairly obvious to me and I don't know ****!

EDIT: I see Ball is on the 6-game... so bring on Stuart and my theory still applies...

22 hours ago, Noeller said:

How do people know that it's the receivers that are the problem.... Vs the coordinator.... Vs the QBs.... Vs the OL.... Vs "the entire offense as a whole is a problem"....

?

to me, it's all about the line... the old adage of building from the lines out still holds true today... if you're going to be starting 3 Americans on the OL... they better be dominating... our OL has been below average... the receivers, QB, and Brady don't matter if the OL isn't holding up their end

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Know what I would do? Drop elsbury, start Eli at C and have vanterpool as the 6th OL. No need for a 7th ok. Just use the pieces you have properly.

I would've kept Randolph... said to Big Stan "hey goat, you're 40 now so it's safe to assume you always have a back issue. How does 6-game/assistant OL coach sound?"... then worked Wallace or Neuf at C... started a line of Broxton-Vanterpool-Neufeld-Wallace-Randolph.... if you're gonna have a 3-american OL... they need to be dominant... I don't know if my proposed group is "dominant"... but I have a hard time believing it's worse than what we've seen

11 hours ago, Goldkobra said:

For a team that's getting nothing but older, and we go and cut a Young Buck.

I don't know anything about Jackson... I don't even remember him doing anything in the game he played (likely only played teams)... but I would've cut Moxey and started Jackson on Friday... might as well see what the young guy's got... can't get worse, right?

14 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

4-4 but do we beat Hamilton if BLM finishes the game? Calgary was a close win and we needed extended OT to beat Ottawa. We could easily be 2-6 or 1-7. Club is not playing well.

I think the worst part is it doesn't go the other way... we're not a few plays away from being 6-2... all 4 losses were embarrassments...

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

Saw this posted on some AI slop page and can't find anything else about it. I don't think this is a thing.

besides... who the hell measures area in hectares??

14 hours ago, Booch said:

Even pros need to..and have to work on even the basic fundamentals..as bad habits creep in fast...and then become the Instinctive move

But I agree...when we were successful we had guys like Biggie..BA..Adams...Bailey..guys who took zero bs..to lesser extent Woli and a few others who quietly led...Bryant as well who didnt have to say anything but when he did...everyone listened..prob still do but sadly his on field stuff is shell of what it was

They self policed and managed the team...it was in cruise control but now cruise is off and the coaches can't drive...part is talent..a lot coaching..but I still stand with the notion the HC made poor choices

I was in the upper deck concourse during the second half of the Calgary game having a drink and chatting... when BA walked by... I just tapped him on the should and said "we need more guys like this playing back there"... he just chuckled and said "thanks, I appreciate that"

about this leadership group...

Mike O'Shea used to be angry at every loss... we'd lose a pre-season game by 2 and he'd be pissed in post game... the only thing he cared about w3as winning... these last few years, seems like just doesn't seem to care anymore

Kyle Walters was the underdog GM... people felt he didn't deserve the job, and once he got it, no one worked harder... he unturned every stone possible, brought in every player available to try and find more wins... now, he seems content with the average group we have

Wade Miller was the ultimate underdog... he had no business on the football field, yet played 10+ years in the league... he had no business acumen, yet built one of them most successful recruiting businesses in the province... he had no football management experience, yet built the best game day experience and marketing in the league... no one used to care about this team and winning more than Miller... now, is he content with this?

WTF happened??

unfortunately this is just a bad football team now... there's a million examples from last night's game that could highlight that... but the one that keeps me up is the fourth quarter defensive performance... we were facing a one-dimensional team, playing their their back up RB and 3rd string QB who had clearly shown zero ability to pass the ball... basically we knew their only hope of coming back was running... and we let them run for close to 200 yards in the quarter to cruise to an easy victory... this is probably the most embarrassing loss in the Mike O'Shea era... this is the kind of loss that should lead to a full scale house cleaning this bye week... but thanks to coaching cap and "loyalty" we know that's not going to happen

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

I'm not disagreeing on the Moxey move but that wouldn't have won us the game last week. Problems are much deeper than that.

just because we can't change everything... doesn't mean we can't start with something

21 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Can't use Tui at C after last week. What a fiasco that was.

I agree... which is why I suggested starting Vibert at C...

26 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Woodbey is a change to the D. Honestly what changes are ppl expecting. These guys just gonna be signed and play cuz they don’t exist on the PR do they. No they do not. Vets like holm Nichols and Moxey? All missed multiple tackles last week. Who you replace them with? Pr don’t got 2 DBs nm 3 plus lbs plus DL plus a receiver over 6 feet. To replace guys you need replacements around to step in. JSK prob an improvement at lb but injured. Kramdi injured. Then we got a whole bunch of nothing.

You can't make dramatic, full scale changes at this time but there are some options... on D I'd bring in Texada or keep on Jackson (whoever they like better at corner) and bench Moxey... or you could play Smith full time and rotate in Shay and play Texada at corner and Jackson at S... either way I would like to see Moxey off... on O, you might as well try Vibert at C and start Singer at the 4/5 WR spot... OL has been average or worse, which is unacceptable when you're starting 3 Americans.

46 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

I'm really hoping that Vanterpool can get the job done and that then Broxton can be moved to LT but I have zero faith that they'd make that move in-season.

I wish I could disagree with you... but I fully expect the same

Woodbey and Vanterpool in are good... If Vanterpool is solid at RT, I have no idea how the team can justify continuing to trot out Bryant when two significantly better options exist... If Elsbury continues to be average at C and the team wants Eli for the TE role... why not play Vibert at C?... Which would open up an import spot for a receiver...