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34 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Ultimately MOS will move on or be shown the door. Timetable unknown. The adage coaches are hired to be fired rings true in most cases.
My thoughts/feelings on this entire situation are constantly evolving. I can't deny that our regular season records have been pretty good since he took over (the first 2 years not withstanding) so he obviously has skills as a coach...and it's probably accurate that he is likely to stay as long as that remains the case.
The fact is we really have little insight into how much influence he has on play calling on either side of the ball...how he runs the locker room (except for the tid-bit he let slip during the call in show this week which, frankly, surprised and concerned me a bit)...or any other number of things that may influence our performance.
In reality we simply have to take what we get and hope that at some point they make it to the show and come home with the Cup because god knows we have no control over it. That is probably what frustrates us the most.
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2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:
I would need to see a lot more losses during the regular season to be ready to move on from MOS.
Fair enough.
Just to be clear to all members here I'm not advocating that we do...or not do...something. To be honest while I've followed this team since the 70s it's never been a hobby for me like it has for some of the more learned members here. My comments in many instances are not coming from a place of deep knowledge of the intricacies of the game but rather from the point of an interested/invested observer.
I may be a student of the human condition/tendencies and feel I can speak confidently about that aspect but not the complicated ins and outs of the game...so please don't take my comments as dismissive or arrogant. They are certainly not intended that way.
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28 minutes ago, Carlos Harper said:
I've been watching this one as well. He has passed Dave Ritchie and trails Cal Murphy and Bud Grant. Some of the totals include playoff games.
Don't see much talk about it but I believe both Walters and O'Shea's contracts are up or at least have not been announced as having been extended to my knowledge.
Giving O'Shea another 3 years could mean he passes Grant before winning a Grey Cup. That has to qualify as having been given a chance.
Yes. I didn't include Murphy because his stints were broken up but yes, technically the 3rd longest serving coach if we add Murphy's together.
In his defence he was raw as a HC when given the job and has, admittedly, gotten better over his tenure...but there appears to be a hurdle here that he is having difficulty clearing and this year especially it can't be blamed on talent...and I'm not sure talent can be blamed for the last couple of years. A coach's job is to get the most out his players.
We've had consistency in the coaching positions and the QB spot so we can't blame it all on turnover in important areas.
If he doesn't get us to the Cup this year given all the pieces he's been provided at what point do we begin to discuss the possibility that the issue is his coaching philosophies?
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26 minutes ago, trueBlue83 said:
I've always wondered why Nichols would never call an audible at the line, even when it was obvious a blitz was coming... run it up the gut anyways.
So it's not me just being unaware...you haven't been noticing any audibles either. Good to know.
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44 minutes ago, johnzo said:
I remember back in 2010 the Fabulous Blue Bomber Show was interviewing Jyles and they asked him a question about audibles, and he said something like "we don't ever call audibles, there's reads for me on every play no matter what the defence."
Maybe I heard that wrong, but would that even be a thing, an offence that has no audible plays designated?
Hmmm...interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
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7 hours ago, gcn11 said:
Our sun will have burnt out long before that.
Who's to say by that point our descendants will still be living in this solar system?
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10 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Not all, but there are lots of coaches that know how to coach one way and never change.
I can see that. There are some boxers that are only able to fight one way and have successful careers...but being able to adjust your style based on your opponents proclivities tends to offer the best opportunity for success.
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3 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Only the dumb ones.
Yeah that's kinda what I suspected
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5 minutes ago, Floyd said:
Lapo is not the right coordinator for Adams... I think he'd work really well with Trevor Harris
Is this the way it is with all co-ordinators? They only have one way/style of doing things and they aren't able to adjust to make the most of the players they have?
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4 hours ago, M.O.A.B. said:
Fascinating and illuminating comments from Mo. Should be it's own thread. Thanks for sharing.
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47 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:
there's not enough video evidence to support "Oh ****, he hit him with the helmet?!?"
Do you think it should matter if contact was made if a player swings a helmet at another player with intent?
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31 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
So playing soft can burn you as we saw, but also playing aggressive and running it up can backfire.
While I don't necessarily disagree the only thing that matters is how has playing soft (for lack of a better term) been working for this particular regime over the last few seasons?
When even MOS is second guessing his attitude one has to wonder if perhaps it hasn't been having the desired effect.
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3 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:
I watched the game just like everyone else and while I *believed* he hit Bighill with the helmet and deserved an ejection, I didn't actually see the helmet hitting Biggie.
We could infer that he was hit but without clear evidence of that how can they toss a team's starting QB?
One need not see contact...nor should it matter if contact was made...to eject for ripping off an opposing player's helmet and swinging it at him.
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2 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Agreed. Apparently there was not evidence for the on-field refs to eject Adams but there was enough later to suspend him??????
BINGO!
The notion that the ref that saw the helmet ripping and called the penalty...who ran up into the camera frame a second after Adams swung the helmet...didn't see it is utter BS.
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1 hour ago, Old Bomber Fan said:
It starts at the top and filters down to the players. If the top is complacent then that filters down to the players and results in a lack of execution and urgency. So well said
MOS said something last night that may lend some credence to the top-down notion
Paraphrasing...
The guys came in at half-time all fired up over the lead talking about how they were going to run it up in the second half and I told them to calm down and re-focus...which is what good coaches are supposed to do, right? Maybe that was the wrong thing to do. Maybe I should have let them feed off their bravado.
Players feed off momentum and he wanted them to forget about all the momentum they built up in the first half and go out as if it was zero-zero.
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53 minutes ago, Noeller said:
Gonna need a TL/DR for this....
Paraphrasing...
We're stupid for for feeling emotional after the loss.
Streveler sucks. We would have won if Nichols was in.
We're stupid for having opinions.
Condescension.
Derision.
Self righteousness.
A little extra condescension for good measure.
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I simply may not have noticed but I'll be damned if I can remember the last time a Bomber QB called an audible. I do recall other teams QBs doing it but for the life of me I can't remember Matt or Chris doing it.
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3 hours ago, Tracker said:
Disagree. The proof is that we lost the damned game in the same way we lost in the LDC and against the Argos. O'Shea should have been smart enough to see that the defensive backs had suddenly developed terminal stupidity and the offensive game plan was moribund. He should have called a time out or at least mandated a change in game plan.
Up-voted for "terminal stupidity" and "moribund"
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2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
He told LaPo to run the ball so obviously he doesn't want to run up the score. Thing is, as someone pointed out, just running it up the gut for 2 yards on first down every series may be not what O'Shea envisioned.
Right. So while he may have provided a general direction he didn't give him a road map.
I'm just at a loss to explain/understand why you wouldn't keep playing the game that got you the lead. I guess that's why I'm not a professional coach.
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1 hour ago, BigBlueFanatic said:
This right here...
I keep telling myself the football gods are about to drop 30 years of glory and plentiful championships on the Bombers, just to keep the universe from imploding.
Well...according to the accepted laws of physics the expansion of the universe should have slowed, stopped and began to retract at some point. Instead it continues to accelerate to the point that cosmologists theorize that at some point in the distant future our descendants will look skyward and not see one single star.
In short...the universe doesn't make any more sense than this team.
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21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Well the good news is that we have a lot of past examples of both Lapo and Hall to draw on and these criticisms are ones that have followed them around for a long long long time.
Fair enough...but can O'Shea not just say, "listen...no more of this easing off with a lead. We keep playing the game that got us the lead even if it means embarrassing teams"? Or am I being naive?
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If he gave up 6 interceptions and threw for zero TDs but still won because the D caused 10 turnovers I bet he wouldn't have been much happier.
It is possible to be satisfied with your performance and dissatisfied with a loss...or vice versa.