Jacquie Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I'm surprised Walters is even thinking about this considering how crappt our line has been since 2009 We don't really know if he is. That's the problem when they report these types of rumours - we don't know if it's Walters trying to make a trade or if other teams are calling Walters to see if he's available. SPuDS and bearpants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I'm surprised Walters is even thinking about this considering how crappt our line has been since 2009 We don't really know if he is. That's the problem when they report these types of rumours - we don't know if it's Walters trying to make a trade or if other teams are calling Walters to see if he's available. exactly.. Walters isn't taman. he knows the value of Canadian content and the oline imo. he isn't going to screw up what progress he has made yet for a whim. if he makes a move, it will benefit us. I believe he wouldn't make a move unless it strengthened a position of weakness more needed then oline. (which i dont believe we have ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I've been saying this for awhile, but Greaves hasn't had the steady improvements in development that you'd like, if anything he seems to have plateaued at an above average but not great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 My first reaction was "WTF is Walters thinking?" but on second consideration, Greaves has been serviceable but not irreplaceable, so if we have a replacement who is as good or better as well as a good backup, lets trade for what we need. It seems to be coming down to what Goossen and Neufeld can bring to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Either way you look at it, this is a great problem to have. Too many good Canadian o-linemen. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillerywg Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Either way you look at it, this is a great problem to have. Too many good Canadian o-linemen. Its not too many its too many expensive Canadian Oline is the problem, signing Pickard at $200,000 per year seems to have thrown a bit a wrench into salary cap. I sure hope he lives up to the salary. I am a big fan of Greaves and I hope the Bombers manage to keep him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Canadian Starters are expensive. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 lol @ Riders fans thinking Greaves will be outright cut coming out of training camp. I sure hope we're not in that bad cap trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 There is absolutely no way we trade Greaves. It would be monumentally stupid for Walters to do so. I don't think he is stupid, but I do think that Winnipeg Sun sportswriters trying to meet a deadline on a slow news day can be. This is pure fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 There is no substitute for experience. People continue to want to pencil in rookies as " potential starters" potential isn't proven. The list of potentials that were flops is endless. Pencer, Swiston et al. You can include Neufield in there as far as I'm concerned he is a band aid and therefore remains unproven "potential". Depth is critical especially in a league that is becoming tapped out on Nationals. Case in point Picard getting recycled for 200k. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 There is no substitute for experience. People continue to want to pencil in rookies as " potential starters" potential isn't proven. The list of potentials that were flops is endless. Pencer, Swiston et al. You can include Neufield in there as far as I'm concerned he is a band aid and therefore remains unproven "potential". Depth is critical especially in a league that is becoming tapped out on Nationals. Case in point Picard getting recycled for 200k. Exactly. Given everything we have heard from Walters, since he began his employment with us, about the value of the OL and it's depth this would seem a huge departure. I don't believe it for that reason. The only way I could possibly see Walters looking to trade Greaves is if Greaves asked for a trade, told the Bombers that there is no way he will re-sign, or got caught stealing Booster Juice. I think this trade rumor is a media creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 This is created by the media forsure, as soon as we drafted a guard 2nd overall a bunch of teams most likely called about Patty and Chris. Walters did not pull the trigger. Penton probably got it from his buddy in Sask working with napkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Penton wouldn't just make up a story. Gimme a break. The trade talks might not be serious but if Penton is reporting it, it's because he actually heard something. DR. CFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I don't think Penton made it up but I'd be very surprised if it came from the Winnipeg office. The story probably is less "Winnipeg shopping Chris Greaves" and more "CFL teams shopping for Chris Greaves" voodoochylde, comedygeek, Tracker and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Who knows if he talked to someone in the Bombers or if he is hearing this from someone else in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 greaves is one of the weak links on the line, who knows , i do not think u would get alot for him in a trade , he is a a bottom half of the league in a starting right guard, but who knows, maybe with someone looking to take his job he steps up alittle, we have not had this situation in a number of years where we have some good young o linemen, lets see how this plays out, but i do not see them trading any o lineman , maybe at cutdown date, but until then, too many things can happen in camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I don't think Penton made it up but I'd be very surprised if it came from the Winnipeg office. The story probably is less "Winnipeg shopping Chris Greaves" and more "CFL teams shopping for Chris Greaves" Teams seeing we have a glut (and I use the term loosely) of NI talent at the interior of the offensive line and are kicking the tires .. seeing if we might bite. Can't imagine we'd get rid of Greaves .. he's been a steady, not spectacular fixture on the offensive line the last few seasons .. I wouldn't part with that easily (especially knowing how hard it is to replace and build that depth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Something people are forgetting.... last season Greaves played between an injured January and a declining Morley... putting him between Bryant and Picard will make a huge difference... I agree that Greaves is no all-star... but surround him with all-stars and he'll definitely help solidify the left side... LeBird and Jpan85 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Might be a player out there who makes us better. Might not be. GMs should be talking every week. Maybe Walters dialed the number. Maybe he just picked up the phone. So far, nothing to see here. Maybe that changes. Right before camp starts, GMs take stock of what they have and what they might need. It's a good time to explore a deal. As for Greaves, his best year was above average, but I don't see him ever being a CFL all star. It's a spot that could stand to be upgraded, it just was never the spot where I would have started. Now we've made changes to almost every spot on our Oline, it's Greaves turn to be challenged for his job. Chungh looks to be an upgrade, but it's a risk to count on him being ready to step in by week 1. There are not a lot of plausible trades right now that involve Greaves that would make the Bombers better overall going in to camp, but there could be a few. Walters will approach these conversations with an open mind, as he should. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Might be a player out there who makes us better. Might not be. GMs should be talking every week. Maybe Walters dialed the number. Maybe he just picked up the phone. So far, nothing to see here. Maybe that changes. Right before camp starts, GMs take stock of what they have and what they might need. It's a good time to explore a deal. As for Greaves, his best year was above average, but I don't see him ever being a CFL all star. It's a spot that could stand to be upgraded, it just was never the spot where I would have started. Now we've made changes to almost every spot on our Oline, it's Greaves turn to be challenged for his job. Chungh looks to be an upgrade, but it's a risk to count on him being ready to step in by week 1. There are not a lot of plausible trades right now that involve Greaves that would make the Bombers better overall going in to camp, but there could be a few. Walters will approach these conversations with an open mind, as he should. I agree. I think greaves is serviceable but an upgrade will be needed at some point now that we have depth and decent players in the pipeline.. If he can be moved for a piece that works, awesome otherwise keep him until someone surpasses him on the depth chart.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Fact of the matter is that the Bombers are not in a position to be giving away average players on the OL just yet. Picard is old, Neufeld is overrated (but loved by the GM I think for whatever reason) and Chung and Goosen are young. I think it would be a mistake to move Greaves without a big return coming back this season. Maybe if the youngsters step up you do it in the back half of the year or next season but right now it's too much of a gamble. Bigblue204 and Blueandgold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 There is no substitute for experience. People continue to want to pencil in rookies as " potential starters" potential isn't proven. The list of potentials that were flops is endless. Pencer, Swiston et al. You can include Neufield in there as far as I'm concerned he is a band aid and therefore remains unproven "potential". Depth is critical especially in a league that is becoming tapped out on Nationals. Case in point Picard getting recycled for 200k. I'd be very surprised if Picard's salary is carried beyond 2016 T.C. They will get what they can out of him this year but I think his days are numbered and he will be replaced by Goosen to start next season. DR. CFL and Tracker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I feel like Picard is the epitome of a Grey Cup year acquisition. Bridging the gap until Goossen is ready. Bigblue204 and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Picard got released in Sask because he had an off season roster bonus due that they didn't want to pay. Likely a similar scenario will happen in Winnipeg next off season.works for the player. He either gets a chunk of cash early that likely secures his job or gets released early to seek employment elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I feel like Picard is the epitome of a Grey Cup year acquisition. Bridging the gap until Goossen is ready. For sure he is a grade A stop gap. Whether that is for one season or two depends entirely on Goosen and the overall health of our OL. I think it is very safe to say that Picard was not brought in to be a long term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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