Floyd Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Walters is kind of painted into a corner... he gave Willy '$400k' so Nichols deserves at least that... Meanwhile Buono probably has Jennings for $250k for three years or something crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Glenn would be a stop-gap until the "next one" arrives and probably couldn't advance the team in the play-offs any further than Nichols. Next one? Do you mean since the Tom Clements or Khari Jones eras? We don't have the greatest reputation in finding & developing our own quarterbacks, do we? We never found or developed those 2. The last one actually was Dieter Brock, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueingreenland Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 The last qb we developed who ended up making an impact was Danny McManus (just too bad he didn't have an impact with us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 We 'developed' Kevin Glenn. Traded our first round pick to get him, developed him and then cut him for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 And we might not have "developed" KJ, but he was a 3rd stringer with BC when we brought him in....gotta get some credit for that. Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Glenn had played 3 years for the Riders, had about 10 starts too. We didn't develop him. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kluchk Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 6 hours ago, Floyd said: We 'developed' Kevin Glenn. Traded our first round pick to get him, developed him and then cut him for nothing. Lol you did not develop Kevin Glenn haha. That's like saying the Bombers developed Willy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 11 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Next one? Do you mean since the Tom Clements or Khari Jones eras? We don't have the greatest reputation in finding & developing our own quarterbacks, do we? We never found or developed those 2. The last one actually was Dieter Brock, I believe. That's why I used the word "arrives", never said anything about "developing" him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 I'm still struggling to understand what the big deal is concerning the idea of "developing" a QB. Does it really matter? Do you get 3 points for a win if you "developed" the QB? Personally, I don't care how or where a QB was developed. The only thing I care about is how good the QB for the Bombers is. That's it. Did we "develop" Khari? Don't care. How did he do when he strapped on the pads? That's the only thing I worry about. And please don't try and suggest that "developing" our own is somehow cheaper, because in these days of free agency, you're only going to get a cheap QB for a couple of years at the most, before the market steps in and adjusts. Nor does it really say much about the scouting department because finding a kid out of college who will develop into the next Ray/BLM/Calvillo is so hit and miss that it's more luck than anything else. So I don't care if we ever "develop" our own. Just get one that can win games for us, you know, like Nichols did this past season. Floyd, Noeller, Fatty Liver and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holoman Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Buono has a history of developing his guys and Hufnagel developed Mitchell. The list is short of organizations that have developed their own guy Edmonton- Reilly was with BC Sask- Developed Durant but easily on his last legs with nobody behind him WPG- Edmonton developed Nichols Toronto- Ray was with Edmonton, and Willy was with WPG and Sask Montreal is trying to develop their guy but is experiencing some (predicted ) growing pains in doing so Hamilton- Collaros developed by Toronto Ottawa- Harris developed by toronto and Burris developed by himself (just ask him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 The biggest perceived advantages to growing your own QB is in fan identification with him and possible loyalty to the organization for doing the work to groom him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 minute ago, tracker said: The biggest perceived advantages to growing your own QB is in fan identification with him and possible loyalty to the organization for doing the work to groom him. That's just it. Those things are really an illusion. If the QB is good, the fans will identify. Go to Calgary and I'm betting you'll see a lot of BLM jerseys. Ask the fans why they are weaing them and I'm betting the zero percent will say "I got this because we developed him ourselves" Now go to Hamilton and see if there are a lot of people wearing Collaros jerseys. I'm betting that the percentages of QB jerseys in those two towns will be fairly similar, even though Hamilton didn't develop him. As for loyalty to the organization, you can actually purchase that. I'd be surprised if there's any player in this league that would be prepared to offer his first team a significant discount in salary simply because he's "loyal". Some guys might want to play for a specific team, but there are very likely other factors, like a spouse's employment or other family stuff that will come into play long before loyalty kicks in. In our case, Sukh Chungh (yes, I know he's not a qb) was developed by this team and I'm sure if you ask him, he'll tell you how proud his is to be a Bomber etc etc. But come the end of his contract (if we can't re-sign him) I'm betting Sukh's going to be way more loyal to his wallet that he is to the Bombers. Developing a player means next to nothing now when talking about retention. Yes, you'll save a little salary for the first contract, but that's it You keep them through $ and $ alone, regardless of how you got them in the first place. Fatty Liver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, tracker said: The biggest perceived advantages to growing your own QB is in fan identification with him and possible loyalty to the organization for doing the work to groom him. You can take player loyalty and shove it up your Muamba as far as it goes. It's overrated compared to $$$. Edited December 19, 2016 by Throw Long Bannatyne Floyd, BigBlueFanatic and Stickem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 http://www.bluebombers.com/2016/12/19/bombers-re-sign-long-snapper-chad-rempel/ rebusrankin and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, bigg jay said: http://www.bluebombers.com/2016/12/19/bombers-re-sign-long-snapper-chad-rempel/ Is this a fishing story? Too lazy to hit link to find out. bigg jay, Floyd and Mark F 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, tracker said: Is this a fishing story? Too lazy to hit link to find out. If you read the last part of the link, it typically gives you a pretty good indication of what the link is about. In this case: bombers-re-sign-long-snapper-chad-rempel bigg jay and Floyd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rich said: If you read the last part of the link, it typically gives you a pretty good indication of what the link is about. In this case: bombers-re-sign-long-snapper-chad-rempel Whoosh. You missed that one. Floyd, bigg jay, Mark F and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Whoosh. You missed that one. Didn't even have to duck. yogi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, tracker said: Didn't even have to duck. Rich can have a do-over when there's a story about Khalil Bass. Mark F, SPuDS and Rich 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, bigg jay said: Rich can have a do-over when there's a story about Khalil Bass. I hope we can land him again. He's a big catch, IMO. Fatty Liver, Mark F and SPuDS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 19 hours ago, Floyd said: Walters is kind of painted into a corner... he gave Willy '$400k' so Nichols deserves at least that... Meanwhile Buono probably has Jennings for $250k for three years or something crazy... Not nearly the same situation. Willy was a high upside young qb in a severe buyers market. and the last guy left. Nichols is in in a sellers market with more qbs then spots, isnt a high up side guy, isnt as young, etc. Chances he improves on the big step forward he took last year with his skill set is slim. You dont suddenly become able to ace deep shots. Just buono being buono. Hes a puppy mill when it comes to QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sard Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Not nearly the same situation. Willy was a high upside young qb in a severe buyers market. and the last guy left. Nichols is in in a sellers market with more qbs then spots, isnt a high up side guy, isnt as young, etc. Chances he improves on the big step forward he took last year with his skill set is slim. You dont suddenly become able to ace deep shots. Just buono being buono. Hes a puppy mill when it comes to QBs. I'd just like to point out that Nichols is actually 4 months younger than Drew Willy, and it was only a year ago that Willy signed the big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Not nearly the same situation. Willy was a high upside young qb in a severe buyers market. and the last guy left. Nichols is in in a sellers market with more qbs then spots, isnt a high up side guy, isnt as young, etc. Chances he improves on the big step forward he took last year with his skill set is slim. You dont suddenly become able to ace deep shots. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 24 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Willy was a high upside young qb in a severe buyers market. and the last guy left. Nichols is in in a sellers market with more qbs then spots, You've reversed the meanings of "buyers" and "sellers" markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, bigg jay said: Rich can have a do-over when there's a story about Khalil Bass. never give a sucker an even break. Fatty Liver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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