...Lawless says Riders looking at Ottawa Asst GM and John Murphy as potential new GM. Have asked for permission to speak to both. Fwiw.

if your not familiar 

 

Here's a package for St. John

- Neufeld

- first pick in the 8th round

-a 10 oz jar of Mrs. Dumfitter's ego tenderizer 

For St. John and their 1st overall

(Draft Day type of deal) 

On 18/05/2016 at 0:47 PM, IC Khari said:

8 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

if your not familiar 

 

That is some next level closed captioning going on! Maybe the IGF scoreboard isn't so bad... 

Apologies to IC Khari. I said the closed captioning thing. I'm still new at this! 

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

It bottles my mind that they are trying to play the game this way. I don't see how they come out on top here.

Fixed it for you.

3 hours ago, bearpants said:

There's no way signing one player at a lower rate will suddenly set a new market for top picks... that's why this whole argument is BS... the market is already set... last year's first few picks and this year's first few signed picks are what the Riders will have to pay St John... otherwise he'll never suit up for them

I suspect JSJ is way past the point of ever being a Rider. I'm not here to defend anyone because TBH I'm just as surprised at all this as anyone. Frankly not too happy to see us lose a pick like this either. Wondering if the Riders are trying to push it over the top to get a rookie salary cap implemented in the league. I'm not buying the market correction crap either. But seriously guys, what right does a guy who has never played a game have to ask for 400k? stupidity all around on this one. St John in a way made Jones look bad by walking away from whatever deal they had discussed. Guys like Jones don't get made a fool of. No way Jones forgives and forgets. Highly doubt St John plays for riders. And as much as you guys like to joke, not sure how St John doesn't look bad in this too and it will effect his dealings with other teams. One thing is for sure, a very odd situation

Edited June 2, 20169 yr by Ripper

JSJ has officially asked for a trade as per Justin Dunk

I went to Starbucks today for a latte. I told the barista that I'd pay only $2.50 for it, citing market corrections. In related news, my latte is refusing to report.

Would you trade our #1 next year for him? With a canadian on D maybe?

2 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

Would you trade our #1 next year for him? With a canadian on D maybe?

I'm awfully tempted to.....worst case scenario, next year is a draft where we miss out on a dynamo and JSJ bolts for the NFL and stays as soon as he's able. 

Best case scenario, we win the GC this year and have a late pick anyhow, and JSJ stays here for years and years......

I am sure that the contract would not be a issue here if he wants the same money as Chung

IF they trade him, I doubt they get a first for him. Not with this stink on him.

The attraction of a 1st round pick is tempting.

The hornet's nest surrounding him is cause for caution. 

1 minute ago, Jpan85 said:

Would you trade our #1 next year for him? With a canadian on D maybe?

I interested in hearing the outside thoughts. Does St John look bad in this? How welcome is he in dressing rooms in other cities? Do vets on other teams applaud this? or think shut up rookie and prove yourself. 

To me the Riders look bad they offered a low ball number and JSJ camp went with what the top 2 picks got last year.

20 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

I am sure that the contract would not be a issue here if he wants the same money as Chung

He's going to be way behind Chungh in development, not worth the same money imo.

3 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

He's going to be way behind Chungh in development, not worth the same money imo.

I was curious about this, too....if he's not ready to step in and play right off the hop, then I don't know if it's worth it...

1 minute ago, Noeller said:

I was curious about this, too....if he's not ready to step in and play right off the hop, then I don't know if it's worth it...

I wonder how high Walters rated this guy in the draft?  They can have Neufeld back, I wouldn't even offer them Hurl. 

im willing to part with mulumba/bilukidi & richards for st iohn ?

If we do trade for him I hope the offer attempts to reset the market. 

They will let him sit. Nobody wants to be seen as aquiasing to a player's wishes at this point. Now you can understand why some teams want nothing to do with players represented by Hardaway.

A 2nd round pick next year plus rights to one of Mulumba or Bilukidi?

If they want a player who can play now, then Neufeld and a 3rd rounder?

The second option would affect our current plans of playing 3 OL (regardless of how we all think Neufeld will be injured and we won't be starting 3 OL anyway, the team still thinks he'll play) as JSJ is not likely to start at any point this year. But if we do think we have the depth to start 2 Canadian receivers or someone in the secondary, then either of those trade options I think are a steal for us.

Of course, it's entirely likely that Stubborn Jones doesn't budge and JSJ sits.

What's the deal with that? Is there a time period where he can become a free agent? Or are his rights with Saskatchewan in perpetuity until he either signs and completes a contract, they trade him, or they outright release his rights?

But..but.. everybody wants to play in SSK. It's Canada's team , the heart of the league, best fans in the universe - you can live the rest of your life there.

Must be one big misunderstanding.

I'd give up a second rounder along with Hurl, Neufeld or Bucknor for him. 

2 hours ago, Ripper said:

I suspect JSJ is way past the point of ever being a Rider. I'm not here to defend anyone because TBH I'm just as surprised at all this as anyone. Frankly not too happy to see us lose a pick like this either. Wondering if the Riders are trying to push it over the top to get a rookie salary cap implemented in the league. I'm not buying the market correction crap either. But seriously guys, what right does a guy who has never played a game have to ask for 400k? stupidity all around on this one. St John in a way made Jones look bad by walking away from whatever deal they had discussed. Guys like Jones don't get made a fool of. No way Jones forgives and forgets. Highly doubt St John plays for riders. And as much as you guys like to joke, not sure how St John doesn't look bad in this too and it will effect his dealings with other teams. One thing is for sure, a very odd situation

JSJ has every right to ask for whatever he wants after the Riders disrespected him.