Bombers at Als early chat

[Atomic]

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Looks like it’s hallett out lawson in. Weitz in Peterson out. Logan in. Jones out. Logan replaces the American.  I don’t get Peterson out for weitz. 

I guess because Logan is now the backup RB they must feel like Weitz helps more on ST than Peterson

[Pete]

Jones was dropped to get Logan in. Logan is backup rb for Petersen.

We did need an additional dlineman, most teams run with 8-9 Last game we had 6

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[blue85gold]

Just now, Atomic said:

I guess because Logan is now the backup RB they must feel like Weitz helps more on ST than Peterson

Yup. Would have liked to see what Bailey can do instead of Weitz

[voodoochylde]

4 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Looks like it’s hallett out lawson in. Weitz in Peterson out. Logan in. Jones out. Logan replaces the American.  I don’t get Peterson out for weitz. 

I understand the "math" behind it .. I just look at the defensive side of the ball and see a giant hole right in the middle of the defensive line.

[Pete]

Just now, voodoochylde said:

I understand the "math" behind it .. I just look at the defensive side of the ball and see a giant hole right in the middle of the defensive line.

 

Just now, voodoochylde said:

I understand the "math" behind it .. I just look at the defensive side of the ball and see a giant hole right in the middle of the defensive line.

We added lawson in middle,only other option would be woods, but what import would you have sat, since Jones was already put on pr

[Booch]

1 minute ago, blue85gold said:

Yup. Would have liked to see what Bailey can do instead of Weitz

Yup....3 Canadian DT's...pointless when one is useless really ....Weitz as well...totally redundant and will never see field other than teams...we have enough of those guys...we could have added Bailey for Thomas and had the same amount of dline guys...Ayers is not an effective dline guy and why they keep trying to make that happen is ridiculous...and kept on Peterson in liei of Weitz....rostered Cobb....gave Vibert some reps....and if game got oit of hand for the good...or bad tried him at center.....but Osh does the expected

Curious to see tho if OC guy knows how to utilize Logan and have some packages with both him and BO.....Doubt ot tho...

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

We added lawson in middle,only other option would be woods, but what import would you have sat, since Jones was already put on pr

well we have 2 stud Canadian LB who deserve a shot to get some reps as a backup...So Ayers as we have this brain numbing idea to have him as a Dlineman...theres a way

[rebusrankin]

This need to roster a team of STers to go with the Offensive team and Defensive Team needs to stop. And before anybody says it, STs is not 1/3 of the game if you count the reps. Offense and Defense will have somewhere between 50-60 reps each per game and STs is usually about 20.

[HardCoreBlue]

36 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Good to see Logan draw in but all of Schmekel, Lawson and Thomas on the game day roster?  I also don't get dropping Jones in favour of Weitz.  

JT starting NT? Sure, why not. At this point it's just a big FU to anyone who thinks he should not be on the field.

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

This need to roster a team of STers to go with the Offensive team and Defensive Team needs to stop. And before anybody says it, STs is not 1/3 of the game if you count the reps. Offense and Defense will have somewhere between 50-60 reps each per game and STs is usually about 20.

We have 17 lb's/Db's on roster....38% of our roster....yet only  8 see actual "regular" reps....and another gets on in a lot of packages...A Canadian and gets abused relentlessly...was Hallet...Lately been Kelly....and if we get an injury, the bulk of those remaining 9 guys should never see the field...and the ones who should to see if they can contribute and grow...(Shay/Smith/Ayers and Jones when in) don't  get any meaningful reps....someone explain that to me

And then we also roll with our worst dline guy likely on the roster getting the most reps not counting WJ and Vaughters...another head scratcher....and we wonder why we have issues at times, and any injury issues and we hooped with nobody with any experience...let alone trust

[rebusrankin]

Hey, it gets worse, if a WR goes down the only back up is Corcoran.

[ShyGuy]

Just now, rebusrankin said:

Hey, it gets worse, if a WR goes down the only back up is Corcoran.

Streveler and then Jefferson next mans up

Also where did all the safeties go?

[Booch]

Just now, rebusrankin said:

Hey, it gets worse, if a WR goes down the only back up is Corcoran.

haha....yeah I didnt even wanna bring up the offence side of things.....Cobb being on as opposed to Weitz or Thomas tho almost makes sense eh?

But it's a really sad state of affairs that you depth receivers are those 2 guys, and that for the yr we have only had 1 guy on as depth...a rookie at that ....have sure dodged a bullet with not having 2 injuries on offence tho.....especiaLLY when we set out with a not ready Schoen and a guy in Demski who has been knicked up a lot the last few seasons...and as the only real threat now is gonna get beat to a pulp

4 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Streveler and then Jefferson next mans up

Also where did all the safeties go?

we just cahneg positions for them to make it seem like we have depth and coverage hahaha...Like Ayers as a dlineguy so people cant say we dress too few

[Goalie]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

I guess because Logan is now the backup RB they must feel like Weitz helps more on ST than Peterson

That makes sense. Forgot Logan was a RB by trade. Right. 

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

I understand the "math" behind it .. I just look at the defensive side of the ball and see a giant hole right in the middle of the defensive line.

The dline the last 2 weeks have been much improved tho. Thomas starting is mind boggling stuff when he doesn’t need to but at this point there’s no use complaining cuz Jake gonna go out on his terms. I’d like to see Thomas off and woods on but woods I guess isn’t ready and isn’t Canadian. If someone could ask O’Shea straight up why Thomas starts and gets all these reps and actually not accept the answer and question him if he watches tape that would be great but our media lacks balls. 

[Pete]

Noticed ayers in last game taking more reps, but agree OShea /Younger need to start putting more faith in younger guys like Smith and Shay that they raved about at the draft

This would benefit our ratio mgmt greatly

[GCn20]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

Noticed ayers in last game taking more reps, but agree OShea /Younger need to start putting more faith in younger guys like Smith and Shay that they raved about at the draft

This would benefit our ratio mgmt greatly

Do we want to win, or rush our draft picks into duty they may not be ready for? I have no issue letting first year draft picks develop slowly, it is usually of great benefit to both the team and the player. I am not understanding what short coming people are seeing that would require us to play Shay/Smith right now? If the argument is for a ratio shift along the DL, then are we willing to downgrade LBer play to get this done? Look I want every draft pick to be a starter sooner rather than later as well, but I see no benefit in forcing the situation when we are not necessitated to do so. More players are ruined than actually excel when put in that situation. There is a lot to dislike about our current roster but tossing players in just to see what happens is incredibly short sighted and probably leads to losses if we do it on any kind of scale. 

What's the concensus around here? That we should give up on this season and start going towards next year?

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

Do we want to win, or rush our draft picks into duty they may not be ready for? I have no issue letting first year draft picks develop slowly, it is usually of great benefit to both the team and the player. I am not understanding what short coming people are seeing that would require us to play Shay/Smith right now? If the argument is for a ratio shift along the DL, then are we willing to downgrade LBer play to get this done?

you dont develop in practice...you need real reps...In games where the outcome was basically a non issue...and there been many....they should have got a lot of reps....but we risked our starters if for anything getting hurt in a lost cause....and we all know we can ill afford any injury

Also it would make practical sense to allow then rotational reps here and there as well un a game ...we trot out other guys who in all reality do nothing for us and at times are a detriment...so really not trying your rookies...especially one whom was touted by many experts the most po ready guy in the draft

[GCn20]

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

you dont develop in practice...you need real reps...In games where the outcome was basically a non issue...and there been many....they should have got a lot of reps....but we risked our starters if for anything getting hurt in a lost cause....and we all know we can ill afford any injury

Also it would make practical sense to allow then rotational reps here and there as well un a game ...we trot out other guys who in all reality do nothing for us and at times are a detriment...so really not trying your rookies...especially one whom was touted by many experts the most po ready guy in the draft

Look, I'm all in favor of a few reps here and there. However, not until the coaches feel comfortable with it. We have 3 years of these players being locked in, there is absolutely no reason to rush things. NAT draft picks are the one type of player that we can ripen on the vine.  Yea...we could insert them into blow outs, but honestly those are practice reps as well.

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

That makes sense. Forgot Logan was a RB by trade. Right. 

The dline the last 2 weeks have been much improved tho. Thomas starting is mind boggling stuff when he doesn’t need to but at this point there’s no use complaining cuz Jake gonna go out on his terms. I’d like to see Thomas off and woods on but woods I guess isn’t ready and isn’t Canadian. If someone could ask O’Shea straight up why Thomas starts and gets all these reps and actually not accept the answer and question him if he watches tape that would be great but our media lacks balls. 

Nine games in (1/2 the season), six defensive tackles divided by X amount of reps = Jake hate?

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

Easily most balanced roster we've put on the field.  Arguably best, but without Schoen.

See if Logan gets offensive reps.

Don't really care about dropping Jones.  They don't use him on D.  They don't use Ayers or Wilson on D a ton either.  Between those 3 spots you're looking at most 40 snaps a game.  And that's on the high end (last week) so far.  They've needed to flip that DI to O for 9 games (aside from the Cooley experiments).  Finally did.

Edited 3 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Do we want to win, or rush our draft picks into duty they may not be ready for? I have no issue letting first year draft picks develop slowly, it is usually of great benefit to both the team and the player. I am not understanding what short coming people are seeing that would require us to play Shay/Smith right now? If the argument is for a ratio shift along the DL, then are we willing to downgrade LBer play to get this done? Look I want every draft pick to be a starter sooner rather than later as well, but I see no benefit in forcing the situation when we are not necessitated to do so. More players are ruined than actually excel when put in that situation. There is a lot to dislike about our current roster but tossing players in just to see what happens is incredibly short sighted and probably leads to losses if we do it on any kind of scale. 

What's the concensus around here? That we should give up on this season and start going towards next year?

You're creating a false argument. Many of us, myself for example are calling for Smith and Shay to rotated in on D, not to start. Shay getting no reps at all on D through 9 games is baffling when he was touted as ready to start right away. As for developing picks slowly, you're argument really does not hold. Alford, White, Fortin, Veresuk, Shanks have all started games this season. Labrosse, Mardner, Cantin-Arku, Mital all contributed as rookies last season.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Look, I'm all in favor of a few reps here and there. However, not until the coaches feel comfortable with it. We have 3 years of these players being locked in, there is absolutely no reason to rush things. NAT draft picks are the one type of player that we can ripen on the vine.  Yea...we could insert them into blow outs, but honestly those are practice reps as well.

How is that rushing tho?...it's developing, and assessing....and if you can get more value out of them over the 3 yrs even better. Other teams have first yr guys every yr making impacts...draft picks and recruited guys....Us rarely and even then...it's cause we had to play a new guy due to injury or defection....I can't even think of a player we played who pushed out a vet.....Thats how we got T.Jones...vet guy who got cut as they determined a rookie was better option...and he won R.O.Y...woulda never got that chance here.....

Our coache's are quite comfortable rostering and playing crap too...so if the young players...National and Import are better...then that's a win

Guys not getting a sniff at all too can wanna leave as well after those 3 yrs when they see counterparts elsewhere getting to play, or a lil tampering goes on and are told "hey you come here next yr...you will play"....then we right back to square one again

Reps in a blowout loss or win are wayyyyyy more valuable and inciteful than running skelly in practice....or playing the part of the team we playing next week players 

 

31 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Easily most balanced roster we've put on the field.  Arguably best, but without Schoen.

See if Logan gets offensive reps.

Don't really care about dropping Jones.  They don't use him on D.  They don't use Ayers or Wilson on D a ton either.  Between those 3 spots you're looking at most 40 snaps a game.  And that's on the high end (last week) so far.  They've needed to flip that DI to O for 9 games (aside from the Cooley experiments).  Finally did.

we did it with Cooley one game as well...and saw nary a rep...I have no faith they will know what to do with Logan until shown otherwise

Jones was used a lot on defense the one game....and was our best of the yr, and also the game coincidently where T.Jones picked up his play too, 

The fact we stopped using him on defense was kinda dumb...and our defense hasnt looked as good the last 2 games due to it

[bigg jay]

I'm all for rotating Shay & Smith in but I also don't put too much stock in the "most pro ready" tag.  We heard the exact same thing about Anthony Bennett.

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

You're creating a false argument. Many of us, myself for example are calling for Smith and Shay to rotated in on D, not to start. Shay getting no reps at all on D through 9 games is baffling when he was touted as ready to start right away. As for developing picks slowly, you're argument really does not hold. Alford, White, Fortin, Veresuk, Shanks have all started games this season. Labrosse, Mardner, Cantin-Arku, Mital all contributed as rookies last season.

among many others....our guys....nadda...

Just now, bigg jay said:

I'm all for rotating Shay & Smith in but I also don't put too much stock in the "most pro ready" tag.  We heard the exact same thing about Anthony Bennett.

Anthoiny Bennet...the 26 yr old playing against 18 to 21 yr olds...stupidest pick ever and his uselessness was easily seen...only one 's saying pro ready was our duffess staff trying to justify it

[Noeller]

Ya I'm more than happy to let the two LB kids ripen... We're not in a rush with them, especially if they are Cam Judge and Alex Singleton.....

Edited 2 hours ago by Noeller

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Ya I'm more than happy to let the two LB kids ripen... We're not in a rush with them, especially if they are Cam Judge and Alex Singleton.....

they dont ripen with no playtime...if anything they stagnate and it slows their development

And interesting you mentioned those 2...guys allowed to get at er right out of the gate...learn as they go....Verasuk is another being afforded the same opportunity...DeQuay before them....Richards got a ton of playtime but got hurt....thats to just name a few

Nobody ripens in practice.....just doesnt happen

Edited 2 hours ago by Booch