3 turds plus cranky honker don’t say roster management edition

[Goalie]

20 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Faj is a career 3rd stringer who cosplays a starter... **** that guy. 

He’s not tho. Look at his career statistics. He’s a consistent 3000 yards a year guy with more TDs than Interceptions. His career QB rating is 98.8. Zach is 101 ish. What’s the difference. They are both starters.  

[Booch]

31 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Fajardo was a three year starter in Saskatchewan before moving to Montreal, not a career backup. Won a lot of games there.

In what way? Getting old and having a lot less talent around him is what’s rearing its ugly head.

3 yr starter...was by no means good or had the ability to drg teams to wins...poor attitude too and an excuse machine who continually whined 

[ShyGuy]

Fajardo was the West nominee for MOP in 2019. Being the starting QB on the top team in the division goes a long way for that though. Some dudes just catch lightning in the bottle for that one season. Fajardo in 2019, Printers in 2004, maybe Rourke in 2022, 

[Noeller]

8 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Fajardo was the West nominee for MOP in 2019. Being the starting QB on the top team in the division goes a long way for that though. Some dudes just catch lightning in the bottle for that one season. Fajardo in 2019, Printers in 2004, maybe Rourke in 2022, 

The only reason that happened was Andrew Harris PED situation and Nichols getting hurt. Faj was nowhere near their level that season. 

[Bigblue204]

9 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Fajardo was the West nominee for MOP in 2019. Being the starting QB on the top team in the division goes a long way for that though. Some dudes just catch lightning in the bottle for that one season. Fajardo in 2019, Printers in 2004, maybe Rourke in 2022, 

That was primarily because he was the only QB to play in all the games and dipshit WPG media soured on Andrew Harris. Fajardos stats weren't MOP worthy.

[rebusrankin]

59 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Faj is a career 3rd stringer who cosplays a starter... **** that guy. 

2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, parts of 2024 and 2025, I think its fair to say he is a starter.

[Booch]

21 minutes ago, Noeller said:

The only reason that happened was Andrew Harris PED situation and Nichols getting hurt. Faj was nowhere near their level that season. 

yeah he was only QB in west to play all games as well

 

21 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

That was primarily because he was the only QB to play in all the games and dipshit WPG media soured on Andrew Harris. Fajardos stats weren't MOP worthy.

yup

[greenrider55]

I think Fajardo is a fine starter, but that’s where the line is.

He’ll win you the odd game, make some exciting plays here and there. A more talented version of Drew Tate.

I would reflect much more fondly on Faj if his attitude wasn’t so piss poor when things got tough. Never takes responsibility, points fingers, etc.

 

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Fajardo is a better QB than Streveler. It’s not close. People want Streveler to be the guy from 5 years ago still so badly it’s crazy. Clouding the judgment big time. Some of you can’t leave your emotions out of it cuz if you do, you’d realize Streveler isn’t a starting cfl QB. 

Fajardo isn't a free agent and I don't believe he will be traded this season.  So what is the point of this statement?    

Currently we have  :

Zach Collaros -  Was terrible last season with the exception of one game against the worst team (Edmonton) where he had 5 TD and 0 Ints.    Has been very bad this season making piss poor decisions forcing balls into triple coverage.  Has way more experience then anyone else on the list but is making the most rookie mistakes.   % chance of him doing a 180 and playing like he did 2 - 3 years ago is extremely low.  The win-loss record this season doesn't reflect him giving us the best chance for a victory.  

Chris Strelever -  Doesn't have the same mobility as he did years ago and is coming back from a serious injury.  Has won both starts,  has made smart decisions and has looked rusty or a bit off which has resulted in 2/3 ints from last week.   Won without Brady O in week one.   Fajardo toiled in the CFL while Strev was in the NFL... so an ignorant comment saying he's so bad.  Giving him more experience and reps could shake off rust which results in better performances.    I believe that their is a higher % chance of him improving over Zach pulling a 180 and playing well. 

Terry Wilson - Great 3rd and short QB,  has been given basically no chance to play real qb.   It would have been nice had he been given a few series last year and this year to give him some play time and experience.   With how poor Zach is playing at times I wonder why not give him a chance,  he's been with the club for a season and a half so he should be ready for some play time. 

Free Agent QB that we can air lift in: 

None

My opinion of Goalie:   Guy who wants to give no one else a chance and is praying that Zach returns to form.   Also a guy who has not read what the definition of insanity is.   

[17to85]

Are we sure Goalie isn't Mike O'Shea?

[Tracker]

7 hours ago, Stickem said:

Judging by a lot of the comments we seem to have a BIG?? question mark at quarterback...So who starts in Cal.....mediocre/or 'not good enough anymore'....It makes you want to see Wilson or Artopeus and we know how that would end.....We sure have a mess at the pivot spot this season ...Maybe we should look at a trade for Ford languishing in Edm. or Macbeth in Mont., who seems to have fallen out of favour....Just throwing that out there....on second thought maybe the suggestions should be sent to file 13 and the shredder... BUT IF we lose to the stumps for the third time on Sat, using either Streve or Zack or both, there has to be some serious concerns going forward 

Agree that if the Bombers lose badly or lose at all on Saturday, the ship should hit the sand, but I doubt that it will. Hope is not an effective stratagem.

[Goalie]

I wanted to move on from Zach and keep Dru Brown but if you don’t think Zach is the best current QB on this roster, you’re simply on crack. I just have a memory and the Streveler from 5 years ago hasn’t gotten better, you could make the case he has gotten worse. The teams best chance to win is with Zach whether people can accept that or not. I’d prefer we moved on a couple years ago, we didn’t. Streveler can’t throw a ball 8 yards accurately. 160 yards a game is what really averages in his career. He’s not some rookie. Hell he’s a year or so younger than Fajardo. I mean, he’s not the guy and neither is terry Wilson so by default Zach is the best QB on the roster and Does give the team the best chance to win. Streveler just isn’t a starting QB and won’t be. Dude is broken. They broke him last year and he hasn’t recovered. 

Edited Thursday at 03:05 PM by Goalie

[rebusrankin]

I am in the ride it out this year with Zach and hope he retires in the off season and sign Taylor Powell camp.

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

I wanted to move on from Zach and keep Dru Brown but if you don’t think Zach is the best current QB on this roster, you’re simply on crack. I just have a memory and the Streveler from 5 years ago hasn’t gotten better, you could make the case he has gotten worse. The teams best chance to win is with Zach whether people can accept that or not. I’d prefer we moved on a couple years ago, we didn’t. Streveler can’t throw a ball 8 yards accurately. 160 yards a game is what really averages in his career. He’s not some rookie. Hell he’s a year or so younger than Fajardo. I mean, he’s not the guy and neither is terry Wilson so by default Zach is the best QB on the roster and Does give the team the best chance to win. Streveler just isn’t a starting QB and won’t be. Dude is broken. They broke him last year and he hasn’t recovered. 

Zach certainly can be and should be the best QB on our roster easily. He needs to quit throwing back breaking interceptions though. If Hogan smartens up, and Collaros smartens up, then he can have a very nice bounce back remainder of the season and put us in a position to win more often than not. If he keeps playing the way he's playing...it really is a toss up between him and Strev and Strev is not playing very good either.

26 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I am in the ride it out this year with Zach and hope he retires in the off season and sign Taylor Powell camp.

We need Zach in order to win the GC. Our only shot is if he bounces back into form and Hogan goes back and looks at the 2019 film on how to use Strev in a platoon role to take pressure off Zach.

Edited Thursday at 06:05 PM by GCn20

[17to85]

8 hours ago, Goalie said:

I wanted to move on from Zach and keep Dru Brown but if you don’t think Zach is the best current QB on this roster, you’re simply on crack. I just have a memory and the Streveler from 5 years ago hasn’t gotten better, you could make the case he has gotten worse. The teams best chance to win is with Zach whether people can accept that or not. I’d prefer we moved on a couple years ago, we didn’t. Streveler can’t throw a ball 8 yards accurately. 160 yards a game is what really averages in his career. He’s not some rookie. Hell he’s a year or so younger than Fajardo. I mean, he’s not the guy and neither is terry Wilson so by default Zach is the best QB on the roster and Does give the team the best chance to win. Streveler just isn’t a starting QB and won’t be. Dude is broken. They broke him last year and he hasn’t recovered. 

Zach has gotten  worse compared to 5 years ago too... you're spending all your time focusing on the problems of streveler and Wilson meanwhile just hoping that collaros can turn back the clock... 

Collaros will hit some more bombs right now that's true... but he will also get sacked a bunch and thrown ints as well. So I guess in your opinion you roll the dice on hitting enough deep shots to win and that being the best chance? The only,  and I mean only time this team has been successful offensively the last couple seasons has been when Brady carries it on his back.

[TBURGESS]

We're stuck hoping that Collaros will find 'IT' again or that Strev will finally find 'IT' for the first time. 

[bryan35]

5 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Zach certainly can be and should be the best QB on our roster easily. He needs to quit throwing back breaking interceptions though. If Hogan smartens up, and Collaros smartens up, then he can have a very nice bounce back remainder of the season and put us in a position to win more often than not. If he keeps playing the way he's playing...it really is a toss up between him and Strev and Strev is not playing very good either.

We need Zach in order to win the GC. Our only shot is if he bounces back into form and Hogan goes back and looks at the 2019 film on how to use Strev in a platoon role to take pressure off Zach.

Problem is Srev can't run anymore.

[Booch]

57 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Problem is Srev can't run anymore.

It will come back...hes very early off of surgery when you think bout it

He runs better than ZC tho even with his not back to form 

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

We're stuck hoping that Collaros will find 'IT' again or that Strev will finally find 'IT' for the first time. 

All while holding the team down with a massive contract....

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, Brandon said:

All while holding the team down with a massive contract....

He makes starting QB money. He's not holding the team down anymore than any other starting QB in this loop. 

13 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Zach has gotten  worse compared to 5 years ago too... you're spending all your time focusing on the problems of streveler and Wilson meanwhile just hoping that collaros can turn back the clock... 

Collaros will hit some more bombs right now that's true... but he will also get sacked a bunch and thrown ints as well. So I guess in your opinion you roll the dice on hitting enough deep shots to win and that being the best chance? The only,  and I mean only time this team has been successful offensively the last couple seasons has been when Brady carries it on his back.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Zach struggled early last year but in the 2nd half of the season he was the 2nd highest rated QB in the league. Early this season he has only started and finished 2 games so it's a little early to write off the entire season. I am more concerned about the frequency he is getting injured. The INTs is are much coaching as QBing. Both our QBs are tossing up picks at an alarming rate, and that's not all on them. Some of that is the aggressiveness of the OC.  QBs will throw up 50/50 balls all day long if you give them the green light to do so. Every single one of them. 

Edited Friday at 12:44 PM by GCn20

[Mike]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

He makes starting QB money. He's not holding the team down anymore than any other starting QB in this loop. 

Except for the terrible performance coupled to that money.

Nothing matters beyond this year anyways, our team is going to look so incredibly different next year. I’m baffled that we put Collaros on the roster next year but here’s hoping he’s the starter while Elgersma develops.

Bryant, Willie, Thomas, Kolo, Neufeld … I expect we see four retirements out of that bunch after we flame out in the playoffs before getting to the Grey Cup.

[rebusrankin]

Zach makes 600k, the only two other QBs who make that are Kelly (hurt but he's been on the six so they get some savings) and Rourke, who has played well. Adams is at 465k and Harris at 453k, both have played better and elevated their teams. BLM has been excellent and he's at 375k. Zach has not played well and his salary being 150k more than most starting QBs has hurt us.

[GCn20]

52 minutes ago, Mike said:

Except for the terrible performance coupled to that money.

Nothing matters beyond this year anyways, our team is going to look so incredibly different next year. I’m baffled that we put Collaros on the roster next year but here’s hoping he’s the starter while Elgersma develops.

Bryant, Willie, Thomas, Kolo, Neufeld … I expect we see four retirements out of that bunch after we flame out in the playoffs before getting to the Grey Cup.

If things don't improve significantly the rebuild will be on for sure. Not sure that includes Collaros or not. Our team should have looked incredibly different this year. We let studs go and kept duds. That's the bottom line right now and it's showing up in the win column. Not going to make excuses for anyone from management, coaching, or players. All three phases have taken their turns underperforming. I agree that Collaros has terrible performances tied to that money, but some of that isn't really his fault. Not to excuse him, but our OL has been a leaky boat, our receivers are sub par (and that's kind), and our OC is not ready for prime time. Now Zach ain't no MOP calibre QB anymore to be sure, but give him a decent OL and receiving crew and an OC that will realize 2022 Zach has left the building and we may see some improvement for sure.

[Booch]

I don't lay too much blame on the players for under performance when several are just not good enough...many who are hold overs and thats on the coaching, and it seems an inability to actually coach/teach guys to be their best. With success and failure on any given side of the football, 80 percent or more of it is the coaching and preparedness prior to the game and being put in position, and having the right guys out there to be successful....we have really sucked there more often than not

Is it an inability to do so?...or just plain laziness?....or a combination?

Also when you have sub par guys playing it effects the actual good guys....but also, some of our established guys who still can play need to up their game too, but with the country club atmosphere we have v=been subject too, and no fear of losing playtime, even the most professional of vets can become indifferent and lazy

A lot of blame to go around but I sticking to my guns and for the most part I sticking to the notion that our coaching is what has hampered us....last week we did see a shift in rostering and actual use of guys....we got an outright release this week and curious again to see if more roster re-working occurs...now was that a "suggestion" from the guys above the HC?...Could be because it's a total departure on how Osh generally does things...and that's nothing but a good thing, and I have a hard time believing it was all Osh finally having a brainwave idea...based on his 11+ yrs of doing things. And if it took him 11 yrs to see some of the weak points in himself....just wow is all I gonna say

We seen last 2 games that actual legit rotation on the dline has made WJ and Vaughters look like total different players....mind you it was just the Argo's beat up line but still....it has to be seen as progress...this game tomorrow if it continues will be a pretty good indicator....even the Griffin at AM and lots of J.Jones, and Parker before he got hurt made a world of difference, especially in the intermediate area 5-15 yards from L.O.S so looking to see it get even more refined, and an addition of WooDs to go with Adams should even further improve our front 7...especially with J.Jones getting even more reps

 

 

19 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

If things don't improve significantly the rebuild will be on for sure. Not sure that includes Collaros or not. Our team should have looked incredibly different this year. We let studs go and kept duds. That's the bottom line right now and it's showing up in the win column. Not going to make excuses for anyone from management, coaching, or players. All three phases have taken their turns underperforming. I agree that Collaros has terrible performances tied to that money, but some of that isn't really his fault. Not to excuse him, but our OL has been a leaky boat, our receivers are sub par (and that's kind), and our OC is not ready for prime time. Now Zach ain't no MOP calibre QB anymore to be sure, but give him a decent OL and receiving crew and an OC that will realize 2022 Zach has left the building and we may see some improvement for sure.

If we can shore up the play of the oline, and actually have some legit weapons than if our coaching and OC can get in ZC head and have him play within himself and be more surgical, and not always look for the big plays I think we can be very successful, especially if we really rely on the run and extended run type plays with BO and actual play making ability guys.....Mot sure our OC has the compatance right now to do that, and switch gears mid game, but Jackson can and hopefully he gets a bit more say in things.

The next 3 games are big and how we go about the remainder of the season I think hinges on these games, 

[GCn20]

14 minutes ago, Booch said:

I don't lay too much blame on the players for under performance when several are just not good enough...many who are hold overs and thats on the coaching, and it seems an inability to actually coach/teach guys to be their best. With success and failure on any given side of the football, 80 percent or more of it is the coaching and preparedness prior to the game and being put in position, and having the right guys out there to be successful....we have really sucked there more often than not

Is it an inability to do so?...or just plain laziness?....or a combination?

Also when you have sub par guys playing it effects the actual good guys....but also, some of our established guys who still can play need to up their game too, but with the country club atmosphere we have v=been subject too, and no fear of losing playtime, even the most professional of vets can become indifferent and lazy

A lot of blame to go around but I sticking to my guns and for the most part I sticking to the notion that our coaching is what has hampered us....last week we did see a shift in rostering and actual use of guys....we got an outright release this week and curious again to see if more roster re-working occurs...now was that a "suggestion" from the guys above the HC?...Could be because it's a total departure on how Osh generally does things...and that's nothing but a good thing, and I have a hard time believing it was all Osh finally having a brainwave idea...based on his 11+ yrs of doing things. And if it took him 11 yrs to see some of the weak points in himself....just wow is all I gonna say

We seen last 2 games that actual legit rotation on the dline has made WJ and Vaughters look like total different players....mind you it was just the Argo's beat up line but still....it has to be seen as progress...this game tomorrow if it continues will be a pretty good indicator....even the Griffin at AM and lots of J.Jones, and Parker before he got hurt made a world of difference, especially in the intermediate area 5-15 yards from L.O.S so looking to see it get even more refined, and an addition of WooDs to go with Adams should even further improve our front 7...especially with J.Jones getting even more reps

 

 

If we can shore up the play of the oline, and actually have some legit weapons than if our coaching and OC can get in ZC head and have him play within himself and be more surgical, and not always look for the big plays I think we can be very successful, especially if we really rely on the run and extended run type plays with BO and actual play making ability guys.....Mot sure our OC has the compatance right now to do that, and switch gears mid game, but Jackson can and hopefully he gets a bit more say in things.

The next 3 games are big and how we go about the remainder of the season I think hinges on these games, 

Every game now matters. We need to go on a run. We are looking 3rd, maybe even 4th place, dead in the eye. Can we play better than we have been? Cripes, I hope so.

As you stated, coaching definitely matters and our coordinators have not been good nor has our roster usage. However, as you also stated you can't blame guys for underperforming when they are just not good enough. That's a huge part of the problem and one that falls outside the ability of the coaches to mitigate. We needed an influx of talent this offseason, we didn't get it. Our FA was a disaster to put it nicely, and our recruitment was not up to snuff either. KW is as much a part of the problem right now as coaching. I am not seeing anything going on to add to our roster that may help either. Not that there is much out there right now, that is where we had to do better than what we got in FA right now with Sterns being the only guy getting playing time. We needed OL help, didn't get it or retain it. We needed DL help, didn't get it or retain it. We needed receiver help, didn't get it and didn't retain it. Just a giant F grade for our offseason, and it's showing up early this year.

Edited Friday at 02:23 PM by GCn20