17to85 Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Noeller said: Even the 600k they claim they're ready to give Rourke seems insane to me. How can you build a team around that?? They have no idea how much of an advantage paying so little for a qb was for them. It's like what? 3, 4 other high level guys you couldn't otherwise get JCon, SpeedFlex27, Bigblue204 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 hours ago, Noeller said: Even the 600k they claim they're ready to give Rourke seems insane to me. How can you build a team around that?? 600k is doable. We are paying Collaros 550k. Once you start getting into the 700k mark though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 48 minutes ago, GCn20 said: 600k is doable. We are paying Collaros 550k. Once you start getting into the 700k mark though.... Only doable if you draft and scout really well. You can't continue to sign FA's like Lucky, Rhymes etc. with a $550K quarterback. Bigblue204 and Jesse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Wideleft said: Only doable if you draft and scout really well. You can't continue to sign FA's like Lucky, Rhymes etc. with a $550K quarterback. No doubt about that. If you paying for a QB like we are, or if BC was shelling out 600k, then you have to change your positional salary scale to accommodate it, so you better have good young players on the cheap ready in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Wideleft said: Only doable if you draft and scout really well. You can't continue to sign FA's like Lucky, Rhymes etc. with a $550K quarterback. Having buy-in from the vets on the team helps too. We have a number of guys who could get more through FA but choose to take less to play here. Wideleft, Noeller and Bigblue204 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, bigg jay said: Having buy-in from the vets on the team helps too. We have a number of guys who could get more through FA but choose to take less to play here. Have to have success first. We paid value to bring guys in, but they've taken less to stay to "run it back". It's definitely not easy to sustain. bigg jay, Bigblue204, Wideleft and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 Lions did get Ryan Rigmaiden back a couple of years ago. Would expect they have a decent pipeline coming in. 17to85, JCon and Jesse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Rich said: Lions did get Ryan Rigmaiden back a couple of years ago. Would expect they have a decent pipeline coming in. They are going to have to. Last year they managed a distant 2nd place finish with only 100k spent on their starting QB. They will be paying at least 4x that with the possibility of 6x this year. That's a lot of salary to cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, GCn20 said: They are going to have to. Last year they managed a distant 2nd place finish with only 100k spent on their starting QB. They will be paying at least 4x that with the possibility of 6x this year. That's a lot of salary to cut. they're gonna be left with VAJ and no chance are they paying 400 or 600k. The upside to VAJ, if there is one, is that it allows them to be active in FA and get some complimentary players. They'll still suck, because VAJ sucks, but it's a better position than Rourke and nobody else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Noeller said: they're gonna be left with VAJ and no chance are they paying 400 or 600k. The upside to VAJ, if there is one, is that it allows them to be active in FA and get some complimentary players. They'll still suck, because VAJ sucks, but it's a better position than Rourke and nobody else... Yeah, the Bombers have pretty much proven that that formula doesn't work A cheaper QB with higher priced talent around him, gets you approximately 11 - 7 and an early playoff exit The odd time, a team like that will fluke their way to a championship - but it's a very unsafe bet Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 10 hours ago, Wideleft said: Only doable if you draft and scout really well. You can't continue to sign FA's like Lucky, Rhymes etc. with a $550K quarterback. They pay Rourke $600,000 then they'll lose guys like Dominique Rhymes & Whitehead. Chungh will want his pound of flesh. Guys on D. Their salary cap issues will be a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Palmer Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: They pay Rourke $600,000 then they'll lose guys like Dominique Rhymes & Whitehead. Chungh will want his pound of flesh. Guys on D. Their salary cap issues will be a mess. We could only hope 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 19 hours ago, Noeller said: they're gonna be left with VAJ and no chance are they paying 400 or 600k. The upside to VAJ, if there is one, is that it allows them to be active in FA and get some complimentary players. They'll still suck, because VAJ sucks, but it's a better position than Rourke and nobody else... The Lions still have Michael O'Connor, it'll be interesting to see if they have confidence to leave him as the backup or pursue another QB like Fajardo in F.A.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 OL not that bad as long as we have Dan Clark!!! rebusrankin, Bigblue204, Dr Zaius and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 54 minutes ago, Noeller said: OL not that bad as long as we have Dan Clark!!! LOL......'Not as bad as we think it is' ......for sure it's worse.....What's the ol saying..'none so blind as those that refuse to see'....No wonder that organization is in the mess it's in....That o line reeks and needs a complete overhaul Noeller and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Noeller said: OL not that bad as long as we have Dan Clark!!! And there you have the Rider problems in a nutshell. Piggy 1 and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 O'Day would have thought the iceberg hitting the Titanic wasn't a big deal. Noeller and Stickem 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Rourke to the Jags https://twitter.com/Bobthemediaguy/status/1614694452253323264?t=vWT0E4BcCfsYVavRrthSZA&s=19 Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Good spot to be a back up and learn from one of the best QB developers in the NFL Doug Peterson Bigblue204 and Piggy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Interesting spot for Rourke. Wonder how much $ he got? So BC goes with VAJ right? So that's what an additional $250,000 or so on qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Adios Rourke.......Leo's will be scrambling now.....Do they go with VAJ..orrrr FAJ....or maybe the backup guy O'Connor.......or is there an outside chance Bo could be in the mix???? hmmmmm...Matters not as Bombers wouldn't mind facing any of the above heh heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 VAJ is their starter for sure this season and I couldn't be happier. They'll be back in the dumpster with The Gappers and the LOLks in 23. Fab. Bigblue204, wbbfan and rebusrankin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Burnham retired Rourke gone, just when BC looked like they were going to turn it around Edited January 15, 2023 by bustamente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 On 2023-01-12 at 10:12 PM, Noeller said: Even the 600k they claim they're ready to give Rourke seems insane to me. How can you build a team around that?? Honestly if it’s 600k to your starter you run thin at his back up. That’d mean no more vaj imo. It’s only 50k more a year than zach. You can’t even get a guy on league min with the difference. 600k makes it harder 700k is borderline crippling. the lions however we’re going to have a hard off season no matter what. When ever you build around big free agent pick ups with a cheap starting qb it’s going to be hard to sustain once you turn it around. The lions will have to add probably 250k in hard salary at qb and try to keep an insane amount of cap flexibility this coming year. Doing that and maintaining your core will be a nightmare doing that and improving will be impossible with out hitting the lotto on rookies. 32 minutes ago, Noeller said: VAJ is their starter for sure this season and I couldn't be happier. They'll be back in the dumpster with The Gappers and the LOLks in 23. Fab. It’s going to be an insanely hard off season for the Leo’s. Do you go all in on a blm or over pay a harris do you cut guys mid season if rourke gets cut? Do you run that much under the cap? It guts their ability to compete in free agency this year too. Who wants to sign with a team in that qb situation? I would love to see the stats on how often starter quality or better qbs go to the nfl and then return to their previous team. I feel like the returnees would be in the minority. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Quote Adams Jr. is under contract for the 2023 season. He’s currently slated to collect a $25,000 active roster bonus on February 15 and earn a $113,000 base salary with an additional $13,500 in housing. The dual-threat passer has a chance to pocket $11,111.11 per game for being the starting QB and $1,388.88 per game for playing 51 percent or more of the offensive plays, while 20 or more touchdown passes unlocks a $25,000 bonus. Assuming he starts all the games & throws 20+ TD's, that's 350ishK. Quote Collaros will be paid $600,000 annually in his new agreement for a total of $1.8 million over three years through the 2025 season. $250,000 of his $500,000 base salary is guaranteed in the final year of the contract, as per the new collective bargaining agreement stipulation allowing contracts for veteran players to be partially guaranteed. $250K more than VAJ. Based on QB salary, we're in a significantly worse spot SMS wise than the Lions. Burnham's $165K salary is already off the books, and the Lions say they won't go shopping for another top end receiver. My guess is they keep VAJ, they don't sign BLM or Faj-JJ & they are still in the top 3 in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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