Stickem Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Adios to Picard...he was not getting it done as he is done...We will find a decent replacement, you know someone that can actually get the ball straight back into the quarterbacks hands, instead of falling at his feet. I believe father time has caught up with Picard and he should have submitted his retirement papers to the league...His play last year was abysmal and if someone else is willing to pick him up...good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Definition of a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Ideally we draft someone at 9 or 10 good enough to be the sixth man... then we will probably take a prospect later in the draft (assuming one worthy of drafting is available).... then if we can sign a fa good enough to start or at least be the sixth man we would be in a favorable position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 23 minutes ago, bearpants said: Ideally we draft someone at 9 or 10 good enough to be the sixth man... then we will probably take a prospect later in the draft (assuming one worthy of drafting is available).... then if we can sign a fa good enough to start or at least be the sixth man we would be in a favorable position... FA comes before the draft. We can't pin our hopes on a 2nd round pick in a shallow draft year. We need an OL in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 6 hours ago, Rich said: Yes, a conditional 7th round in 2017. If you are talking about the 2nd overall pick (our first round pick), we used it in the supplemental draft to grab Garrett Waggoner. So it wasn't a wasted or traded pick, we just picked a player early. Will take a couple of years before we really know if it was wisely used or not. I stand corrected. Thanks. So the 7th pick was spent on Nichols to try to recover from the QB disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mike said: You remember incorrectly which essentially renders the rest of this argument moot. Nichols cost us a conditional 7th rounder, not a 2nd overall pick. Would your opinion on his QB management change now that you know the asset we gave up to give us a continuing shot at the playoffs last year was a throw away? Walters has done a lot of things wrong as GM - QB management is not one of them. Unless he's supposed to manage the health of Drew Willy. Yes and no. I'm glad the 2nd round pick *may* yet pay dividends but Edmonton basically gave Nichols away. Were Brohm and Marve not also Walters' boys? Even when healthy, Marve was awful and Brohm, well ... Then there's the porous oline which brings us back to Picard, generally conceded to be a waste of money by Walters. I'd like to hear your argument in favour of Walters' QB management or is not being responsible for managing Willy's health it? On a positive note, there's Westerman. Edited December 31, 2015 by J5V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 But was it the qbs or was it the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 12 hours ago, Goalie said: I wonder if they are thinking of going with 3 internationals on the line with Chungh and Goossen. There is always that possibility. Neufeld as the 6 th oline wouldn't be that bad since he can Play multiple spots This could be a possibility if we can pry Laurent from Hamilton in free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Laurent Bilukidi Harris. Take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Laurent is going to make every possible effort to get back to the NFL as his first priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 18 hours ago, DR. CFL said: Laurent is going to make every possible effort to get back to the NFL as his first priority. So you know him personally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 If Laurent really was going to be pursuing NFL opportunities, wouldn't we kind of hear about some by now? Rogers in Calgary, Stafford, Others have all been reported to have NFL tryouts, Nothing about Laurent at all, Tells me he's a CFL guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 According to some on the t-cats forum, Laurent is done with his efforts to get an nfl gig...I think we'll have a shot....although it'll be slim...it won't be none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engelwood Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 12/31/2015 at 1:58 PM, J5V said: Yes and no. I'm glad the 2nd round pick *may* yet pay dividends but Edmonton basically gave Nichols away. Were Brohm and Marve not also Walters' boys? Even when healthy, Marve was awful and Brohm, well ... Then there's the porous oline which brings us back to Picard, generally conceded to be a waste of money by Walters. I'd like to hear your argument in favour of Walters' QB management or is not being responsible for managing Willy's health it? On a positive note, there's Westerman. It is not even a 2nd round pick, It is a 7TH ROUND PICK. Maybe this time you will be able to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Cutting the dead weight like picard and Marcel is all well and good. But the real turn around comes when you replace negative pieces with positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 1/2/2016 at 10:07 AM, Mark H. said: Let's hope Mr. Walters is considering any and all options. Such as finding other NIs who can start and going with 3 import OL. Beat the bushes down south for American guards and tackles. The OL should not be weakened just for the sake of starting Canadians, it should be their first priority. Agree completely. If I were managing a CFL team my goal would be to have 4 NI starters on each side of the ball. What position they play is almost inconsequential. You need to have contingency plans for injury and poor play, so realistically you need at least a dozen NI's who can play offense/defense at a level where you aren't scared when they are on the field. IMO we are reaching a point where the supply of NI receivers and running backs who can play in the CFL is about that same or greater than NI OL who can play in the league at a reasonable level. There's no reason to force a certain number of NI OL on the field. rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said: Agree completely. If I were managing a CFL team my goal would be to have 4 NI starters on each side of the ball. What position they play is almost inconsequential. You need to have contingency plans for injury and poor play, so realistically you need at least a dozen NI's who can play offense/defense at a level where you aren't scared when they are on the field. IMO we are reaching a point where the supply of NI receivers and running backs who can play in the CFL is about that same or greater than NI OL who can play in the league at a reasonable level. There's no reason to force a certain number of NI OL on the field. More diversity in your starting Canadians would also improve the quality of your special teams. In most of the games I watched this year, I found that the OL was over-matched by the DL. In almost every games, there seemed to be a DE that the OTs could not consistently contain and/or they were getting away with blatant holds. Management teams need to be taking a hard look at this trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 13 hours ago, Mark H. said: More diversity in your starting Canadians would also improve the quality of your special teams. In most of the games I watched this year, I found that the OL was over-matched by the DL. In almost every games, there seemed to be a DE that the OTs could not consistently contain and/or they were getting away with blatant holds. Management teams need to be taking a hard look at this trend. Teams are really using the extra DI spots to make life hell on offenses yet teams still stubbornly refuse to ever use more than 2 imports on the offensive line. Just blows my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Teams are really using the extra DI spots to make life hell on offenses yet teams still stubbornly refuse to ever use more than 2 imports on the offensive line. Just blows my mind. Blame the OC's for running outdated protections and slow developing routes. The best offenses in the league get the ball out of the qb hands quickly regardless of who or how many are blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, pigseye said: Blame the OC's for running outdated protections and slow developing routes. The best offenses in the league get the ball out of the qb hands quickly regardless of who or how many are blocking. You have to have YAC players to be effective in the dink and dunk offences. Harris would go a long way in helping to protect our QBs. A guy who could be reasonably counted on for 15 carries and 8-10 receptions as a check down that actually produces would go a long way for our offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 6 hours ago, pigseye said: Blame the OC's for running outdated protections and slow developing routes. The best offenses in the league get the ball out of the qb hands quickly regardless of who or how many are blocking. That stuff works to a point. Defenses are getting pressure consistently with 4-5. With the couple teams really committed to the zone blitzing, you don't know who those guys are going to be so quick game is just a pre-snap guess, and that's why Hamilton and Edmonton had so many takeaways. I believe Ottawa led the league in sacks and they run a pretty straightforward rush. The OL just aren't good enough. It doesn't matter what is called if guys like Picard and Neufeld can't even figure out how to be speed bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) It's not the answer to all our problems but it's a start and I agree about Harris but Cotton was just as effective until he got hurt. It's also tough when you're behind early in games because your defence can't get off the field to try to stretch the field more but that's just the trap that pin heads like Marcel always fell into. Edited January 6, 2016 by pigseye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty30 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Why not play Cotton and Harris together? Harris could line up at FB or SB on some plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 If the O line isn't significantly improved does it really matter who the running backs are? It's like putting bald tires on a Ferrari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty30 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 They've already improved by subtraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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