Politics (Split Thread)

[Fatty Liver]

I cant completely disagree with people not wanting to pay into a health care system, if they themselves aren't ailing. strikes me as a high risk high reward kind of system in gambling with the if/when you'd ever need it.  It would interesting to know what the average person in say a 10 year span pays into health care tax wise, and how much that person actually uses it during same time and what the fees incurred would be against that amount paid.  Of course in places where poverty, disease and violence are rampant I think free health care would end up costing the people way more in taxes as a whole or the government would go broke with how much is being used vs how much they'd bring in money wise.

 

In a place like the US where you pay through the teeth for medical care, how much goes to the government? or are their hospitals and doctors self governing with those payments to look after themselves?

 

For the most part hospitals in the U.S. are private businesses owned by corporations, regulated by government but paid for by insurance companies through health claims.

 

In regard to the cost of health-care there is an obscene stat. that states that 85% of life time health-care costs are incurred within the last 5 years of a persons life.  By the time people reach that age destination very few would have sufficient funds to "pay as you go". 

[basslicker]

i saw a fb what are they called meme's? anyways its said, tired of ppl making like 12 million dollars to make a movie telling me to donate when i make $12 an hour. very few ppl got rich by helping the needy, and i'd image very few would part with their fortunes after they made.

They will never part with their fortunes. Which is crazy because you ain't taking it with you.

The rich don't often make it to heaven.

I'm also very tired of the rich celebrities telling normal people how to live. ......like celebrities know anything worth while........if a celebrity told you something, it's probably evil.

[kelownabomberfan]

Well Ben Affleck anyway...

[Fatty Liver]

 

i saw a fb what are they called meme's? anyways its said, tired of ppl making like 12 million dollars to make a movie telling me to donate when i make $12 an hour. very few ppl got rich by helping the needy, and i'd image very few would part with their fortunes after they made.

They will never part with their fortunes. Which is crazy because you ain't taking it with you.

The rich don't often make it to heaven.

I'm also very tired of the rich celebrities telling normal people how to live. ......like celebrities know anything worth while........if a celebrity told you something, it's probably evil.

 

 

As opposed to what government, the media or mufti-national corporations tell you?

[basslicker]

i saw a fb what are they called meme's? anyways its said, tired of ppl making like 12 million dollars to make a movie telling me to donate when i make $12 an hour. very few ppl got rich by helping the needy, and i'd image very few would part with their fortunes after they made.

They will never part with their fortunes. Which is crazy because you ain't taking it with you.

The rich don't often make it to heaven.

I'm also very tired of the rich celebrities telling normal people how to live. ......like celebrities know anything worth while........if a celebrity told you something, it's probably evil.

As opposed to what government, the media or mufti-national corporations tell you?

Nope. Pretty much the same. Media and the few rich families that own them all are a part of it. It's a rich, connected tapestry. I say 'celebrities' because they influence people more than politicians. They're literally worshipped.

[Fatty Liver]

Del Mastro doing the perp. walk.

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/dean-del-mastro-former-conservative-mp-released-on-bail-as-he-appeals-election-law-conviction

[kelownabomberfan]

 

 

 

Well, that's why I stll hang around here........to help put things into their proper perspective....

And this from a man who uses George Orwell as his avatar.

 

Very passe'- 1984 is long gone.

 

But one trusts....that intelligence, clarity and articulation are not....

 

 

The day that I read "all animals are created equally, but some are more equal than others" I knew I would always fight against socialism.    That sums up that horrible philosophy perfectly.

[HardCoreBlue]

 

 

 

 

Well, that's why I stll hang around here........to help put things into their proper perspective....

And this from a man who uses George Orwell as his avatar.

 

Very passe'- 1984 is long gone.

 

But one trusts....that intelligence, clarity and articulation are not....

 

 

The day that I read "all animals are created equally, but some are more equal than others" I knew I would always fight against socialism.    That sums up that horrible philosophy perfectly.

 

And capitalism works so much better. :-)

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

Keep pushing to upgrade our DT's for sure.

[Stickem]

 

 

 

 

 

Well, that's why I stll hang around here........to help put things into their proper perspective....

And this from a man who uses George Orwell as his avatar.

 

Very passe'- 1984 is long gone.

 

But one trusts....that intelligence, clarity and articulation are not....

 

 

The day that I read "all animals are created equally, but some are more equal than others" I knew I would always fight against socialism.    That sums up that horrible philosophy perfectly.

 

And capitalism works so much better. :-)

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

Keep pushing to upgrade our DT's for sure.

 

Don't know how this has gone political (someone once told me that 'everything' is political) so not surprised....IF we use Greece as an example....capitalism is due for a 'correction' much like the socialist system has has had to go through...AND anyone suggesting the new socialist leader in that country is responsible for their current mess...well that would be incorrect as it was a capitalist mess they inherited..

 

I agree totally ...keep pushing to upgrade our DT's...we definitely have to make ourselves better in that dept.

[Atomic]

Happy Canada Day you socialist pigs

[Stickem]

Happy Canada Day you socialist pigs

 

 

And a Happy Canada Day to the right wing hogs  (no reference to our o line guys though)

[kelownabomberfan]

 

Don't know how this has gone political (someone once told me that 'everything' is political) so not surprised....IF we use Greece as an example....capitalism is due for a 'correction' much like the socialist system has has had to go through...AND anyone suggesting the new socialist leader in that country is responsible for their current mess...well that would be incorrect as it was a capitalist mess they inherited..

 

I agree totally ...keep pushing to upgrade our DT's...we definitely have to make ourselves better in that dept.

Greece's problems are neither capitalist or socialist. All their problems stem from the fact that everyone wants to work only two hours a day, pay no taxes, and retire at 45 on a full pension. Somehow no one in Greece is capable of doing basic math, otherwise they would see their way of life is unsustainable. When you stop working for a living and just vote for a living you end up like Greece. They never should have been let into the EU.

[Stickem]

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...Gonna be some huge ramifications my friend...Let the correction begin.....AND go get em Bombers tomorrow...we're about to do a little correcting ourselves...

[Tracker]

Don't know how this has gone political (someone once told me that 'everything' is political) so not surprised....IF we use Greece as an example....capitalism is due for a 'correction' much like the socialist system has has had to go through...AND anyone suggesting the new socialist leader in that country is responsible for their current mess...well that would be incorrect as it was a capitalist mess they inherited..

 

I agree totally ...keep pushing to upgrade our DT's...we definitely have to make ourselves better in that dept.

Greece's problems are neither capitalist or socialist. All their problems stem from the fact that everyone wants to work only two hours a day, pay no taxes, and retire at 45 on a full pension. Somehow no one in Greece is capable of doing basic math, otherwise they would see their way of life is unsustainable. When you stop working for a living and just vote for a living you end up like Greece. They never should have been let into the EU.

Right on. The problems have been years in the making, pretty much the same as California where a certain Austrian-born governor managed the economy by cutting taxes (always popular) and borrowing to cover state expenses. California has been broke for about a decade but no one wants to call the markers in, but Greece has not had any such luck. Iceland tried the same approach. And by the way, the financial advisor Greece has had on retainer for the past 12 years is....Goldman Sachs.

[kelownabomberfan]

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

 

Not sure what that means.  You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system?  It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws.  It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it.  You are pretty much screwed at that point.  Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak.  Why did it fail?  Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

[Fatty Liver]

 

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

 

Not sure what that means.  You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system?  It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws.  It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it.  You are pretty much screwed at that point.  Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak.  Why did it fail?  Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

 

 

 

If you guys don't stop fartin' around with politics in here the moderators are going to banish this thread to the penalty box then we'll never find out who the new running back is going to be!!!

[gbill2004]

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

Not sure what that means. You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system? It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws. It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it. You are pretty much screwed at that point. Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak. Why did it fail? Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

If you guys don't stop fartin' around with politics in here the moderators are going to banish this thread to the penalty box than we'll never find out who the new running back is going to be!!!

Who farted?

[Fatty Liver]

 

 

 

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

Not sure what that means. You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system? It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws. It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it. You are pretty much screwed at that point. Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak. Why did it fail? Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

If you guys don't stop fartin' around with politics in here the moderators are going to banish this thread to the penalty box than we'll never find out who the new running back is going to be!!!

Who farted?

 

 

Political wind, so to speak.

 

Sigh.....penalties will be allotted as follows.

 

KBF:10 minutes for instigating and a game misconduct for re-instigating.

Tracker::10 minutes for fighting and a game misconduct for his avatar.

Hardcore Blue:Game misconduct for 3rd man in.

Stickem:Game misconduct for farting in a public forum.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Throw Long Bannatyne

[Mark H.]

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

Not sure what that means. You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system? It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws. It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it. You are pretty much screwed at that point. Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak. Why did it fail? Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

I'm too lazy to go looking for the link - but the problem of unused and rotting Olympics infrastructure isn't unique to Greece.

[Rich]

 

 

Maybe Italy, who owes zillions and Ireland and a few others who use the euro shouldn't have been allowed in either....Pretty sure they are well entrenched in the capital system...

Not sure what that means. You would prefer they were "entrenched" in a communist system? It doesn't matter what system you are entrenched in if your people don't want to pay income taxes, and the government can't be bothered to collect them, or enforce income tax laws. It also doesn't matter what system you are in when your people decide they want everything for nothing, and think they are entitled to it. You are pretty much screwed at that point. Have a look at the Roman Empire at its peak. Why did it fail? Because everyone stopped working for a living, and just had a big party, and they became so soft that they were easy prey for other warring nations that just tore the entire empire apart.

If you want some insight into the Greek mind, just look at how other countries have planned for and built infrastructure for the Olympics. They always build with a future plan to use the infrastructure, or move it somewhere else. They have a plan. Greece didn't have a plan for their 2004 Olypmics. They just built these massive stadiums with hundreds of millions of borrowed euros, and now they are all just rotting, unused. Typical Greek planning. That's why that country is so screwed. They have become the welfare case of Europe.

I'm too lazy to go looking for the link - but the problem of unused and rotting Olympics infrastructure isn't unique to Greece.

 

 

Nor is it unique to the Olympics.  See the World Cup in Brazil.

[Mark F]

how bout the USA? 

 

Pontiac Silverdome built 1975 for 55 million by  the city for the lions, who kindly left twenty five years later. Leaving the City a massive white

 

elephant.

 

sold for five hundred thousand dollars, now abandoned, and falling apart. 

 

Recently gone broke City of Detroit was fortunately able to chip in to build a new arena for the Lions to move to. The lions owned by 

 

Someone in the Ford family, who undoubtedly need the help, while the other folks in Detroit, can go screw themselves when their city gets

 

auctioned off. 

 

Olympics no matter where held, are a feast for a few people, and a financial sore  for the rest.

 

 

Forest fire smoke is starting to bother me. also, went for a walk, just picked off five ticks. probably some more hiding on me somewhere.

 

Update… found another tick.

[kelownabomberfan]

According to Brad Wall's ads during the game, they seem pretty proud they aren't NDP anymore. I can see that logic.

[17to85]

According to Brad Wall's ads during the game, they seem pretty proud they aren't NDP anymore. I can see that logic.

Are we so far gone as a country that only Saskatchewan maintains sane voters?

[Tracker]

According to Brad Wall's ads during the game, they seem pretty proud they aren't NDP anymore. I can see that logic.

Are we so far gone as a country that only Saskatchewan maintains sane voters?

So sane that they elected an MP who believes that children ought to carry guns to school.

[kelownabomberfan]

According to Brad Wall's ads during the game, they seem pretty proud they aren't NDP anymore. I can see that logic.

Are we so far gone as a country that only Saskatchewan maintains sane voters?

So sane that they elected an MP who believes that children ought to carry guns to school.

 

When I was in grade five I brought my pappy's shot-gun to school, and the principal called me in to the office.  To show me his 12 gauge and compare notes on different types of ammo.