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Like @17to85 said in another thread, if Singer and Womack aren’t good enough to replace Gavin ******* Cobb then why are they even employed by us? I don’t think replacing a guy like Cobb or Kelly is going to be the move that turns us into Grey Cup contenders but it could be the kind of move that changes (or leads to a change) culture in the locker room. It’s obvious to anyone (well, almost) that there is absolutely no accountability on this team from the top all the way down. Why should guys try on game day? They’re not playing for anything. There’s no threat to their spot on the team. There’s no coach on the sidelines that will chew them out if they don’t show up prepared or if they don’t execute. It’s no wonder that we never play a full 60 minutes. We’ve got a coach who doesn’t use all the advantages available to him because he thinks they’re silly, a general manager who is the least active in the CFL during the season and a locker room full of people who don’t really seem like they give a single ****. This might be one of the most frustrating versions of this team that I’ve ever seen, even beyond some of those Mike Kelly or Tim Burke years because this front office and coaching staff has proven they ARE capable of so much more than this, they just don’t really seem like they can be bothered.

So .. already in field goal range and Younger has DBs 10 yards deep off the snap of the ball. Missed tackle or not, he’s conceding an easier kick.

who’s up for a Head Coach Hogan redemption arc

We forgot about the adjusting aspect..or adapting to the game nuances..next week we come out looking like 45 rookies...but adjust in 2nd half when the game is out of reach? Lol Like ive said..our main ailment which has caused us to choke in 3 Grey cups..and look continually worse and worse over the last 2 yrs...is coaching..100 percent certain u fix that...and we look alot different

Not that I completely disagree but Walters has … mostly done his job even if I don’t like his approach or philosophy. He’s had his fair share of whiffs but there are some talent issues I can’t even lay at his door until these guys even get a chance to play.

Collaros looked like he belonged on the field in the first half. he didn't in the second. So what happened? The Elks adjusted & we didn't. I put what happened in the second half on Tommy Condell. Not so much on Zach. At least we know our OL can still totally dominate. for one half. Coaching is a joke.

Coach first...G.M and the whole gang next if a coaching change is not the answer....No G.M is gonna take a job where he has a HC and his staff forced upon him More often than not a G.M will get a second guy opportunity...especially with the success he had the first time. A G.m/HC removal I dont think a lot of you know the upheave that causes and could be yrs of wandering the wilderness...Things here are set pretty much in a way all teams are trying to mimic. So unless the Prez and G.M are utter schmucks...which they are not there is no real fear of us hiring a dense fool who will brak things down even more...won't happen Yup...was mentioned last off-season that Osh was given too much say and that some of that was being taken back...Walter's even said they had several episodes of Osh being very combative of things too...but in the end they came to compromise...so that there too is a bit concerning. And shouldn't be happening. Walter's is the Boss, not the other way around...and he needs to start doing Boss things...and if he has a head coach who is fighting it...in what profession does an employee who bucks the system and goes against upper management retains his job??? He did it before so we know it's in him. The fact that Osh refuses to use a beneficial rule that would help his team because he doesnt like it...is more than enough to can his butt...Himself before team...how many players last on a team with that mindset?...none We dont need to hire from within..we have seen how that has panned out and looking at who we have the only one who would I think be a possible guy is Costello...he's actually earned it, and would be a pretty big loss if a new G.M came in and cleaned house...Pretty sure tho a new head coach tho would retain him if he wanted to stay...and why wouldn't he? I mentioned this last yr, and still believe in it but we should be offering the HC job here to Mickey Donovan...He has had a lot of experience in his 20 yrs, is a no nonsense guy with fire and a great work ethic in him....Players love him and would as they say round here "run thru a wall for him" His players would play with attitude and aggression cause they know if you dont...you will be yanked...All I hear about him is good stuff. He is kinda like what we got in the beginning with Osh before he got what seems to be lazy and complacent....and I think exposed due to his actual lack of coaching experience. He had 3 yrs as a ST coordinator...and it's showing now when he has to actually coach and fix...he doesnt have the chops...leading is one thing...but if what your leading them to is pretty vague and empty...you flounder Donovan interned in the NCAA to start his journey...has been a ST coordinator obviously, as thats his role now, but he has also been a positional coach, defensive coordinator..asst. HC...A Head coach for 4 yrs in the Canadian University ranks, and he does, and has done player recruitment, and seeing as T.O always seem to find these new guys outta nowhere he likely has had hand in that, or could bring one their sleuths with him in a promoted scouting role....To me that says hire this guy and you know the culture here wouldnt change...if anything become better cause with him you will need to earn the job...then keep it

Don't speak evil into the world

I think we need a repeat of what happened way back before the grey Cup runs. Someone tells O'Shea to get his head out of his ass and make some roster moves. We saw how pro-active Kyle Walters can be when there's a call for new bodies.

THAT is coaching. Anyone who says that it's the players fault this happened is clueless. This is a coaching issue. Younger may not be the whiz we thought he was. Condell is just a freaking disaster as an OC. Then we have Mike O'Shea who keeps doing this when he's asked how it'll all get fixed.

GM's generally ger at least 1 head coach firing before fingers tun towards them.

It was a rare game where we looked prepared and ready to play and then absolutely nothing in the second half.

Same goes for Walters.

Thanks. I would still suspect the primary outcome will be no major change; Mac and Hall move on in the offseason. We will see what the appetite is around the mafia for struggling though.

@wbbfan , great post about potential options. It will be interesting to see what transpires.

We've tried nothing and apparently are out of ideas.

Realistically, if we let both go, we would have to either promote from within or find someone willing to work for a low salary and do both jobs. So I don't think both will go any time soon. Walters would be easy enough to replace internally, but we don't really have a viable candidate on the coaching staff. Here are a couple of scenarios that could take place. During season Low-hanging fruit event. Mos fired, Walters takes HC gig, Jauch becomes interim GM, Deslauriers AGM. Even lower-hanging fruit. Mos stays, Walters fired, Same with Jauch/Deslauriers. Hail Mary-level event. Mos fired; maybe Lapo comes in out of the blue, or maybe Hall has half a season as HC in him. After the season. Walters takes HC and GM role, brings in another AGM. Mos takes Hc and GM role, the usual suspects at AGM, league vet like Lapo comes in as assistant above the COs. Mos out, Lapo or Buck come in; front office stays the same. Mos stays with a HC in waiting like Lapo, Walters out for Danny. I don't think any of these are great options, but with the coaching cap and the 3 year deals for mos/walters, I don't think a great option exists or will exist no matter who is available. Here are some of the lower-impact moves I'd like to see transpire. Hall retires, and another senior defensive mind is brought in to refine JY. I still believe JY can be refined into an excellent coach with high potential. This year has been a mess, but if he can learn from it he can still go far. Marty becomes run game CO, and another bright offensive mind is brought in to be passing game co and OC. Someone from outside of the usual lineages who isn't going to run an archaic form of the West Coast offense. Either Mos is fired, or Walters is replaced with someone who will be firm as his boss in the GM spot.

I agree, though Walter's refusal to be Mos' boss is worrisome. Though, imo, it is easier to replace the GM than a HC in the cfl today. That or Buck. I could see buck getting his walking papers in BC this year.

In Ottawa right?

If the Bombers don't want 18-20000 showing up next year have to do something, I believe. They just can't keep ignoring the obvious. That this regime has seen its best days. Head Coach & coordinators need to be gone first. Walters gets an extra year or two to see if it can be turned around. And no coach, absolutely no coach from this staff should be promoted to head coach. A clean break has to be done. If they prmoted Younger to HC with his many years under O'Shea then that will be mistake #2. (With keeping O'Shea around as mistake #1). Nothing will change if thius happens. No one on this coaching staff deserves a promotion.

Most organizations when faltering like us and there is prety obvious issues..can Coach first and see if the issues dissappear...well the well functioning ones do. Turning both means total organizational overhaul on many levels..which we dont need..and with that too can come a yr or 2 where big fa's may take a pass until things get sorted..we dont need to go down that path....yet...deduct 1 thing at a time and see if the issues dissappear

B.C came in here shorthanded, tired and with a first time starter. That was our best chance to beat to them and they literally ran all over us.

Way too many plays on D with 8 guys in coverage behind 3-4 rushing including a spy but none of those guys in coverage within 12-15 yards of the LOS. We should only be running that on like 3rd and 25. We basically play without a 2nd level in all of our pass coverages since these past couple seasons and we can’t get off the field when we really need to.

MOS knows what the problems are; he's just refusing to do anything about them.

Give it to Strev to finish out the yr...guys would follow him and go thru anything for him...and im not even kidding Plus he is a brilliant mind...he would get the most outta his guys...ive seen him coach first hand. He pulls it off ...reup him

Osh in sny gm capacity and final say in player signing/releasing would be kiss of death and we would be even worse than we are now with badically no hope The cap thing isnt as big an issue as many think..especially if you just can coach...mid season just interm someone...end of yr find the replacement...we can get out of his salary 2 ways...the previously mentioned escape allowed once...or he signs elsewhere which I sure would happen..and even if not for a yr..so be it..if there's the will there's a way He's ran his course here..it happens to every successful.. formerly successful coach

Boo freaking hoo.

who is left for them to fire now other than dinwiddie? the ball boy?

i don’t think ac would come here for this clean up. especially for the peanuts we could afford.

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I think we are beyond the internal head coach promotion. Our guys were picked over by other organizations already.

No, please. Besides, with the way O'Shea is slow to react, any changes will be done this off season. What about Calvillo for HC?

While I agree that coaching is a major issue with this team, another (major?) contributing factor is the lack of quality Canucks in starting positions. Sure, Demski and Oliveira are fine but at safety and other receiver spots, not so fine. We are a team of very good ST players (Canadians in particular), on O and D not so much.

You gotta think if Osh is let go, it’s the lapolice redemption arc. Maybe even Coach Jake.

They may be beatable not not by us.

Eastern teams have no chance against the Als

Watching the Dolphins play, to see how Cline does and I know it's preseason but man are they bad. Cline is reportedly a long shot for their PR so we may see him sooner rather than later. Fins also brought Gronowski back after another QB got hurt so I get to watch him too (he just fumbled a snap on his last series so not great so far).

and based on Osh's comments...any changes to have a beneficial effect don't seem likely. He thinks we are o.k

Toronto and BC are beatable, depending on which version of the team shows up (both them and us) but I don't have faith that we can get our **** together for a full game.

Yup...and if anyone thinks Lewis would offer less than Cobb and Nield they seriously have issues Man drop Hazen for Singer..Add Lewis for Elsbury...start them and only have 1 Canadian reciever and 2 starters on defence Canadian which we could easily do...plus use the Nationslized American...would be night and day difference for the Offence...Demski with White..Singer..Lewis..Pokey..and Clercius and Nield as rotation and depth...how's that not better than what we currently running out there? And the thing with the nationalized American he actually counts as your required eighth Canadian starter but since we choose not to use him h Osh has to start eight true Canadians which makes us weaker...guys a fool...and if u designated one like say Bryant.. then that also allows you to add an additional American on the roster to fill his spot...just plain lunacy to serve his bias

yeah ...the drop in the endzone in the Ottawa game was not Pokey...Maybe he's finally seeing the hype we had going fresh into the season is doing the 'big fade'...Still no reason to quit

I dunno how as a qb you watch Pokey Wilson give such piss poor efforts on potential big plays 2 weeks in a row and not blow a gasket at him and the coaches and anyone else that listens... Like that wide open down the sidelines play on 2nd down where he shows less than 0 awareness of his position.... What the **** are they doing in practice?

Its interesting to hear that DT is being critical, I find he's usually a little more pro club. Brown, yeah he's been vocally critical. I mean Brown sounds like most of us here to be honest.

Didn't hear that. Had no interest in listening to any of the post-game. But something switched with Zach at some point. He was getting the ball out quick, finding the hot route with pressure in his face, and like a light switch was flicked, he suddenly couldn't do it anymore.

I was cautiously optimist at halftime. The O was motoring at least by current Bomber standards. The O-line was playing well, heck they were dominating. They were opening up holes for Oliveira and, perhaps, more importantly giving Collaros time. And, the D was playing surprisingly well. But, WTH went on in the Bomber locker room at halftime? I've watched a lot of Bomber football over the years but I don't think I've ever seen (at least I can't remember) a 180ºer like that one. Something has got to give. Someone (several) should be relieved of their duties. This "experiment" of Kelly at Safety has got to end. He is slow and slow to react. He's a career STer, IMO. And don't get me started on our receiving corps. I will anyway. Aside from Demski (who is ageing out a bit but still darn good), our Canadians are downright terrible. White is solid but throw in what seems like a disinterested Wilson and we have what is the worst or next to worst set of receivers in the league. There are all sorts of other issues with this team....coaching including play calling, a QB who has lost his touch and voila! we have a recipe for disaster. There are more tough(er) games upcoming so Ws are going to be few and far between. I've reached that point. I've lost faith in the organization. I'm thinking that not making the playoffs is a very real possibility. They were looking so good to start a game for once. Is there an emoji for"gives his head a shake"?

We can run a full combine lol

I just do short bursts now...if i get to you in first 1..2 seconds you toast....after that...I'll just give up

Morning Big Blue Field Games!

More like thank you 10,000 fans in the stands and a faceless corporate owner who doesn't want to underwrite losses.