iso_55 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Big announcement today. Live stream from Calgary Flames website. Watch live here at the link at 3:30 pm CDT: http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=616&id=833177〈=en&navid=DL|CGY|home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 This guy is putting me to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Good on Calgary. Two new professional sports facilities. Just excellent for the Flames and Stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's going to be a huge complex. Be cool if they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 As of now, they're asking $200mm from the City of Calgary, and I'm pretty sure I heard Mayor Nenshi's snort of derision from all the way in Olds..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 plus expecting someone else to clean up the site, man oh man. Nenshi didn't want to use that space for sports facilities to start with, no way he agrees if the city has to clean it up AND hand over hundred of millions of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 As of now, they're asking $200mm from the City of Calgary, and I'm pretty sure I heard Mayor Nenshi's snort of derision from all the way in Olds..... I hate that guy. Just can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Odd, isn't it? Somehow sports franchises (corporations, really) are some sort of sacred cows and deserving of massive public funds as opposed to individuals who are reviled for being temporarily (for the most part) down on their luck. As an example, in Detroit, the city agreed to give over $200 million plus iinfrastructure improvements of an undetermined value to the very profitable Red Wings owner (who is worth some 5.8 billion) to build a $660 million new arena. And the city did this a week after declaring bankruptcy. Sort of a reverse Robin Hood thingie. blueandgoldguy, Bigblue204 and wbbfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Well, it provides jobs, brings in entertainers that want to perform at good venues, brings in tourism, makes people want to actually live there instead of moving away, etc... So it is good for the city in the end. Look at all the stuff they do at IGF now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Well, it provides jobs, brings in entertainers that want to perform at good venues, brings in tourism, makes people want to actually live there instead of moving away, etc... So it is good for the city in the end. Look at all the stuff they do at IGF now.Exactly...One Direction would have never come to Winnipeg if not for IGF Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The thing is, the facilities are going to be used for a lot more than just the corps (Stamps/Flames/Roughnecks/etc) as there will be massive amateur useage, plus the jobs being created in the construction of it are MASSIVELY needed right now. Lotta skilled labourers that could use the gig. So there is a lot of positive to this....but I also understand the "No Public Money" thing, too. This thing is far from over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground. They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm not sure why some people are against public funding for these places tho, Like the star trek guy said... creates jobs, brings in lots of money for the economy. That's honestly why i never understood those who had an issue with IGF being publically funded. Man, if people actually stepped back and look at some of the crap our tax dollars goes too, I don't think they would be complaining about sports teams getting funding either. Pro Sports teams gives your city an identity... Man, look at the JETS, they left and a small part, a large part even of this cities identity left with them.... They were brought back and a part of our identity returned. Sports is huge, does more good than harm thats for sure. If i was in charge, I'd fund every damn arena and stadium proposal possible with tax payers money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I watched like 10 minutes of that video b4 i got bored as hell but the one thing, is that ken king? the one thing he kept saying over and over and over and over is... a PUBLIC fieldhouse... to be used 365 days a year. Pretty evident he was letting it be known that this is being built with the PUBLIC in mind... Yup, it's CFL stadium and a hockey arena but... it's mainly gonna be used as a Public facility... Lets just break something down really quick.. Stamps play 9 home games a year... Flames play 41 or 42 i think... Lets include playoffs and add, let's just say a nice easy round rumber..20 more dates in total.... 51 + 20 = 71. For the remaining damn near 300 days of the year.. it's a public facility. Thought mentioning Public facility over and over was smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm not sure why some people are against public funding for these places tho, Like the star trek guy said... creates jobs, brings in lots of money for the economy. That's honestly why i never understood those who had an issue with IGF being publically funded. Man, if people actually stepped back and look at some of the crap our tax dollars goes too, I don't think they would be complaining about sports teams getting funding either. Pro Sports teams gives your city an identity... Man, look at the JETS, they left and a small part, a large part even of this cities identity left with them.... They were brought back and a part of our identity returned. Sports is huge, does more good than harm thats for sure. If i was in charge, I'd fund every damn arena and stadium proposal possible with tax payers money. That's why I never voted for you. Mark F and bb1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground.They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Odd, isn't it? Somehow sports franchises (corporations, really) are some sort of sacred cows and deserving of massive public funds as opposed to individuals who are reviled for being temporarily (for the most part) down on their luck. As an example, in Detroit, the city agreed to give over $200 million plus iinfrastructure improvements of an undetermined value to the very profitable Red Wings owner (who is worth some 5.8 billion) to build a $660 million new arena. And the city did this a week after declaring bankruptcy. Sort of a reverse Robin Hood thingie. Yes, sports franchises are coveted by citizens. Just stumbled across worldstadiums.com. The City of London, UK, has 14 stadiums, each with capacity of 20k or more. Another 11 with capacity from 10k to 20k. Sports franchises have sway. http://www.worldstadiums.com/europe/countries/united_kingdom/england/london.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground.They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Provincial funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm not sure why some people are against public funding for these places tho, Like the star trek guy said... creates jobs, brings in lots of money for the economy. That's honestly why i never understood those who had an issue with IGF being publically funded. Man, if people actually stepped back and look at some of the crap our tax dollars goes too, I don't think they would be complaining about sports teams getting funding either. Pro Sports teams gives your city an identity... Man, look at the JETS, they left and a small part, a large part even of this cities identity left with them.... They were brought back and a part of our identity returned. Sports is huge, does more good than harm thats for sure. If i was in charge, I'd fund every damn arena and stadium proposal possible with tax payers money. The emotional argument is about the only long-term one. There's no economic benefit on a region to having pro sports. Most of the jobs are comparable to working retail, and very few are full-time. Like Noeller says, there is the short-term benefit of building it. I fully agree with using public money in many cases, I just hate when they try to make it seem financially sensible. In reality it is tossing money into a financial black hole. Fair enough and like you said a lot of public money goes into projects that will never return that money to the public purse, just be honest. Otherwise you end up in the mess we've been stepping in for half a decade now. Mark F, Tracker and blueandgoldguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Looks at stadium/arena design...fudge me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground.They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Provincial funding. Oh. Ok. I'm believing you. Did Edmonton get Provincial Funding for their new Ice Palace? Didn't someone just spend a whack of dough on Commonwealth, right? Did the Prov Gov also contribute to Commonwealth and the facility in Ft. Mac.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground.They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Provincial funding. Oh. Ok. I'm believing you. Did Edmonton get Provincial Funding for their new Ice Palace? Didn't someone just spend a whack of dough on Commonwealth, right? Did the Prov Gov also contribute to Commonwealth and the facility in Ft. Mac.? 200 Million plus the city cleaning up the land? Ouch... Hope it happens but.. I'm not sure it's much more than a dream right now. I will say this tho, Before IGF was eventually built and even the new Mosaic and for that matter THF... there were years upon years of talk and more talk and more talk and designs and all sorts of stuff... This is just step 1. In 5 or 6 years, maybe they actually put shovels in the ground.They might have to wait that long to get Nenshi voted out of power and get someone "more favourable to the cause" voted in...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-reveal-details-of-900m-downtown-arena-stadium-planSo what is a 240 mill Community Revitalization Levy? Sounds like a tax. Provincial funding. Oh. Ok. I'm believing you. Did Edmonton get Provincial Funding for their new Ice Palace? Didn't someone just spend a whack of dough on Commonwealth, right? Did the Prov Gov also contribute to Commonwealth and the facility in Ft. Mac.? Yes,yes,yes,yes,yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 @ISO........thanks. fewer complaints about the government with them spreading the wealth. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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