gbill2004 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 "Oops." -Kyle Walters in July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Other than the fact that he can't block anybody 1 on 1, he can't block well enough to play anywhere but centre and his snaps have been unreliable the last 2 seasons, I have no issue with Picard. I doubt that he plays any significant role on our team unless Morley retires or is injured, and I really hope we didn't tie up more than a few thousand in bonus money on him. Walters basically committed to Picard as our starting centre this season at today's presser.Banks was our SAM too.All of this is how I feel. I tweeted this morning that the whole thing reminds me of Banks last year, and I got shouted down by a few people. I'll believe the Picard hype when I see it in the summer.Situations aren't similar at all. Banks was released because his GM thought he was washed up. His GM was right. Picard was released for cap reasons, the season after winning his teams top OL award. And Riders tried to bring him back on a restructured contract. If the award was an accurate one... which I'm obviously not convinced of, then you would obviously find someone else to release to relieve your cap stress. Not your supposed "best" offensive lineman, who also happens to be your Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Other than the fact that he can't block anybody 1 on 1, he can't block well enough to play anywhere but centre and his snaps have been unreliable the last 2 seasons, I have no issue with Picard. I doubt that he plays any significant role on our team unless Morley retires or is injured, and I really hope we didn't tie up more than a few thousand in bonus money on him. Walters basically committed to Picard as our starting centre this season at today's presser.Banks was our SAM too.All of this is how I feel. I tweeted this morning that the whole thing reminds me of Banks last year, and I got shouted down by a few people. I'll believe the Picard hype when I see it in the summer.Situations aren't similar at all. Banks was released because his GM thought he was washed up. His GM was right. Picard was released for cap reasons, the season after winning his teams top OL award. And Riders tried to bring him back on a restructured contract. If the award was an accurate one... which I'm obviously not convinced of, then you would obviously find someone else to release to relieve your cap stress. Not your supposed "best" offensive lineman, who also happens to be your Center.He was due a $140k roster bonus. That's unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Then Picard was foolish if he thought he was going to see that bonus money... And I sure hope Wylie knows what he's backing here. Picard is going to have to play like this guy, ……...for that salary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Picard has tweeted that he is happy and excited to be coming to Winnipeg. I hope he still has tread on his tires and makes the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard Holy crap that's a lot of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard Holy crap that's a lot of money!Yep, way more than I thought. I could be wrong, but I believe this makes Picard the 2nd highest paid OL in the CFL, after Josh Bourke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 $140K bonus!? WOW. I've never heard of a CFL bonus worth that much before. Smart of Taman to get rid of Picard before he had to pay it. $195K a season sounds about right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard Holy crap that's a lot of money!Yep, way more than I thought. I could be wrong, but I believe this makes Picard the 2nd highest paid OL in the CFL, after Josh Bourke. Labatte. And I guess we know where the bar is going forward for national OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 One for sure positive I can think of for signing Picard, is that it almost guarantees we'll be able to keep at least 3 Canadians on the OL every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 One for sure positive I can think of for signing Picard, is that it almost guarantees we'll be able to keep at least 3 Canadians on the OL every game. .....another he can teach the younger O-liners how to hold like a SOB and not get caught! Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 And I don't understand why some are suggesting the Bombers should not cut Steve Morley. He's still a very valuable asset. You don't just go and cut a starting Canadian OL At worst, Morley is our 6th OL this season. Competition is always a good thing. I see the OL shaping up like this: LT - January/Daniels LG - Greaves C - Picard RG - Goossen/Morley RT - Neufeld 6th - Morley/Goossen That's some nice Canadian OL depth. A stud import tackle would be the icing on the cake. If Neufeld starts at guard instead of tackle it'll be very interesting to see what they do with Morley. If Neufeld can play more than 3 games in a row without pulling up lame, I'll be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think this is a shrewd move by Walters... Sign a top NI centre and then let his salary leak - gives more incentive for guys like Heenan and Holmes to test free agency Bombers still have cap room, more than a lot of other teams - Sask, Hamilton, T.O. - I think we have a good shot at signing one more OL Mr Dee, Fred C Dobbs and Shanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard 195K?! That's too much for Picard even if the bar for NI salaries is steadily rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I was initially shocked at the $195k figure, but I see where Walters got the number from. Picard's contract with the Riders was set to pay him $175k per season, but that was signed under the previous CBA. New CBA the cap went up a little more than 10%. So add 10% to $175k and there's your $195k. The more I think about it the more I think Walters made the right call. One more stud OL and we're in business! I'm okay with giving Heenan $300k per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apparently Ben Heenan and Pat Neufeld are best friends. The plot thickens... MOBomberFan and bearpants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 From Penton: The Riders released Picard because he was due a $140,000 bonus on Jan. 1, according to a source, and they weren't willing to pay it. The Bombers, who created quite a bit of 2015 salary cap before the end of December, stepped up to the plate immediately with a two-year deal for Picard that will pay the 32-year-old north of $195,000 per season, according to a source. http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/06/bombers-welcome-back-dominic-picard 195K?! That's too much for Picard even if the bar for NI salaries is steadily rising. On the surface I'd agree, but with the cap moving up for the second of five consecutive years? The reality is the Bombers are committing around 4% of their cap space to a starting NI. That is a reasonable percentage. Can't do it for everyone, but you can do it for a few. And a $140,000 offseason bonus in the CFL is insane. Insane. I don't know why Picard would even have agreed to that. It basically guaranteed he'd be released, and will wonders never cease, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apparently Ben Heenan and Pat Neufeld are best friends. The plot thickens... Former teammates Willy and Picard are now here. The plot does thicken. Anyone know a Winnipeg girl who's willing to flirt with Heenan online for the next 2 months? Anyone willing to pretend to be a Winnipeg girl and is willing to flirt with Heenan online for the next 2 months? SPuDS, bearpants and Shanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Other than the fact that he can't block anybody 1 on 1, he can't block well enough to play anywhere but centre and his snaps have been unreliable the last 2 seasons, I have no issue with Picard. I doubt that he plays any significant role on our team unless Morley retires or is injured, and I really hope we didn't tie up more than a few thousand in bonus money on him. Walters basically committed to Picard as our starting centre this season at today's presser.Banks was our SAM too.All of this is how I feel. I tweeted this morning that the whole thing reminds me of Banks last year, and I got shouted down by a few people. I'll believe the Picard hype when I see it in the summer.Situations aren't similar at all. Banks was released because his GM thought he was washed up. His GM was right. Picard was released for cap reasons, the season after winning his teams top OL award. And Riders tried to bring him back on a restructured contract. If the award was an accurate one... which I'm obviously not convinced of, then you would obviously find someone else to release to relieve your cap stress. Not your supposed "best" offensive lineman, who also happens to be your Center. Not necessarily true at all... even IF Picard was their "best" O-lineman last year... ahead of Labatte and Heenan... the latter two are still more valuable based on age and potential... Picard, meanwhile, is on the downside of his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Lawless certainly seems confident that Walters will be strongly going after Heenan. Believes the starting offer will be at least $250,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 The thing with Lawless is sometimes his speculation is based on solid inside information and sometimes it is speculation. It is tough to know which it is. I have no doubt there will be 9 teams talking to Heenan if he goes to free agency, and if the 200k to Picard is accurate, then 250k to Heenan as a starting offer is not a stretch. The question becomes if 250k is our starting offer, wonder what our limit is. What will Ottawa offer, and does Saskatchewan now have the cap room to match any of those offers. All things being equal, if the money is the same, can't see him leaving Saskatchewan since that is where he is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apparently Ben Heenan and Pat Neufeld are best friends. The plot thickens... Former teammates Willy and Picard are now here. The plot does thicken. Anyone know a Winnipeg girl who's willing to flirt with Heenan online for the next 2 months? Anyone willing to pretend to be a Winnipeg girl and is willing to flirt with Heenan online for the next 2 months? I thiink I can convince Logan007 to step up to the plate and take one for the team .. SPuDS and mbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Lawless certainly seems confident that Walters will be strongly going after Heenan. Believes the starting offer will be at least $250,000 I'm afraid I must lol at this. Even though nothing about it is inaccurate. Rather the idea that while Heenan is on the market, he is really on the market. He will go to free agency to establish value, and then re-sign with the Riders for slightly more than that amount. The Riders are preparing for this by clearing cap space. i.e. cutting Picard. Walters will make an offer. Probably several. He will be aggressive. Heenan will get a contract well in excess of $250,000. But we will almost certainly finish second on his list of suitors. Still, we have to do it anyways. Best case scenario, we get Heenan. Worst case scenario, we drive up the price for Heenan, handcuff the Riders for cap space right out of the gate, and possibly eliminate Saskatchewan from the running of other FA's we're interested in. Both scenarios have positive aspects for the Bombers. wpgallday1960 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Lawless made some interesting points yesterday that I choose to believe in order to stay optimistic. He said Patrick Neufeld is Heenan's best friend, Bob Wylie was his coach when he had his most success so far, and a couple other guys are here that he played with in Sask (Picard, Willy). And hey, he should know about Grey Cup host teams breaking the bank to try to win it all and actually succeeding. Maybe he wants to try it again. Just no one tell him that being the Bombers there's a good chance it backfires horribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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