Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Goalie]

53 minutes ago, Stickem said:

According to some, and the way he conducted our re-signings and fa this year, some definitely ready to buy him a ticket

I mean it’s pretty telling when the gm says nothing all year. That’s not normal at all. Even last year he spoke once or twice during the season. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Goalie

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

I mean it’s pretty telling when the gm says nothing all year. That’s not normal at all. Even last year he spoke once or twice during the season. 

Not really telling at all for Walters.  He's usually gone from public view between the draft and GC.

Do a Google search and you'll really only get things from April or May then nothing until November.

[Booch]

A g.m that's in media lots during season...is a season and team in total free fall

[bigg jay]

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

A g.m that's in media lots during season...is a season and team in total free fall

Yup. Heard a bunch from Hervey and Burke this season.

[Noeller]

Ya I'd rather a GM that's just putting in the work and not having to answer to the media. Obviously we had some problems this year that can be linked to a seemingly rough offseason, but I'm sure we'll hear more about that after the seasons over in a few weeks....

[SpeedFlex27]

7 hours ago, bigg jay said:

Not really telling at all for Walters.  He's usually gone from public view between the draft and GC.

Do a Google search and you'll really only get things from April or May then nothing until November.

No,. it's not normal for a GM to go silent for half a year but c'mon. There's excuses & then there's apologists like this. Walters has mailed it in since he signed his now expiring contract. In a Grey Cup hosting year which makes it even worse. 

[SpeedFlex27]

6 hours ago, Noeller said:

Ya I'd rather a GM that's just putting in the work and not having to answer to the media. Obviously we had some problems this year that can be linked to a seemingly rough offseason, but I'm sure we'll hear more about that after the seasons over in a few weeks....

Putting in the work?? 

[bigg jay]

7 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No,. it's not normal for a GM to go silent for half a year but c'mon. There's excuses & then there's apologists like this. Walters has mailed it in since he signed his now expiring contract. In a Grey Cup hosting year which makes it even worse. 

Oh STFU.  Quit taking one little thing, completely misreading it and blowing it into something it's not.

Show me where I'm defending him.  All I said was it's normal for Walters (not every GM), this is his track record and has been for a while.  That's not being an apologist or being critical as I didn't give an opinion one way or another on his approach. FWIW, I would prefer if he was more visible and I'm definitely not satisfied with the work that was put in this year (from him or MOS).

[Booch]

15 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Oh STFU.  Quit taking one little thing, completely misreading it and blowing it into something it's not.

Show me where I'm defending him.  All I said was it's normal for Walters (not every GM), this is his track record and has been for a while.  That's not being an apologist or being critical as I didn't give an opinion one way or another on his approach. FWIW, I would prefer if he was more visible and I'm definitely not satisfied with the work that was put in this year (from him or MOS).

My take is we (Walters/Miller) allowed Osh to have too much say and input in to what we felt was needed an who we wanted to keep (that should not have) and has got us to where we are. That needs to change going forward if either or both are to stay, and the G.M has to not be the HC buddy...but his Boss and he and his team will bring in the best players they can scrounge up, as well determine who will/and will not be back and the HC works within those parameters....like a typical organization does...

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

My take is we (Walters/Miller) allowed Osh to have too much say and input in to what we felt was needed an who we wanted to keep (that should not have) and has got us to where we are. That needs to change going forward if either or both are to stay, and the G.M has to not be the HC buddy...but his Boss and he and his team will bring in the best players they can scrounge up, as well determine who will/and will not be back and the HC works within those parameters....like a typical organization does...

Whatever reasons Walters has for failing to do his job are his choices. Whether that is giving MOS too much say or whatever he owns it 100%. He's the GM.

[Booch]

we've also seen pretty much every new young guy that finally got to play...played well and acrually made a difference...so talent was/is being brought in...and who knows what other tlent we cut loose could have done the same if not discarded for some of the same ol same ol crap we rostered all yr....or several yrs...so there is that angle too, and it's owned 100% by Osh....as his his refusal to not play injured guys who hindered the overall team....and thats happened for yrs here

Fact of the matter...I wouldn't shed a tear of be worried in the least if both were not brought back....and we'd be just fine...

We re-upped both prior to the Grey Cup last time they finished out the season with them on expiring deals....so if we flop again and actually dont get there.....is that the signal Miller uses for his new direction at the top 2 spots below him and decides it' time?...Possible....I not 100% sold that even if we do back our way in...that it's a given ....guess we shall see 

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[GCn20]

43 minutes ago, Booch said:

we've also seen pretty much every new young guy that finally got to play...played well and acrually made a difference...so talent was/is being brought in...and who knows what other tlent we cut loose could have done the same if not discarded for some of the same ol same ol crap we rostered all yr....or several yrs...so there is that angle too, and it's owned 100% by Osh....as his his refusal to not play injured guys who hindered the overall team....and thats happened for yrs here

Fact of the matter...I wouldn't shed a tear of be worried in the least if both were not brought back....and we'd be just fine...

We re-upped both prior to the Grey Cup last time they finished out the season with them on expiring deals....so if we flop again and actually dont get there.....is that the signal Miller uses for his new direction at the top 2 spots below him and decides it' time?...Possible....I not 100% sold that even if we do back our way in...that it's a given ....guess we shall see 

The only new guys I've seen play that are worth a snot are Bailey, and Jenkins. The other guys are not any better than the guys ahead of them. Jenkins is brand new, so Bailey is really the only guy we can question legitimately as to why he never got playing time. Woods and Woodby have been good but not great. Who else you got?

You say guys came in and made a difference but there are just as many that didn't. Dillon Mitchell, J. Jones, and others played their way off the team lickety split so we can't say that new guys being held back was our problem. It wasn't. Fact of the matter is that Walters whiffed badly this offseason. Very badly and if we are relying on rookies to come in and be all stars then we are in really bad shape because that just won't happen consistently for any team. Glad we got a couple guys that look like keepers but it is nonsense to suggest that the talent was there. It wasn't and isn't.

I don't mind the criticism of MOS, but it is comical how people are hating so much that a GM who really screwed the pooch is getting benefit of the doubt because of this hate. The players underperformed , the GM underperformed, and the coaching underperformed....and here we are. I think that is probably the fairest assessment I've seen on this forum this year. The players didn't underperform because of MOS, the GM didn't underperform because of MOS, and MOS/coordinators didn't underperform because of the GM/players either. They all have to own their roles in this **** show.  Pinning it all on MOS is really glossing over other deficiencies that we really need fixed.

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[Tracker]

1 hour ago, WinnipegGordo said:

 

 

Tony Jones as western nominee all-star? Has happy hour started early?

[Noeller]

I'm always shocked at the lack of respect for Deatrick Nichols, but he never has stats... Just always locks down and rarely gets thrown at. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Noeller

[Pete]

13 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Tony Jones as western nominee all-star? Has happy hour started early?

not sure what your issue is with Jones. He has the second most tackles in the league and ahead of the next bomber by  a mile.

The bomber d is in the top 3 against the rush as well. He's also 2nd in the league in total defensive plays 

[wbbfan]

17 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Tony Jones as western nominee all-star? Has happy hour started early?

people love to over rate tackles especially at lber. 

19 hours ago, Booch said:

A g.m that's in media lots during season...is a season and team in total free fall

and/or is willing/planning to throw his coach under the bus in case of crash. I don’t think walters will do that, I think he will take the bullet for mos. 

1 minute ago, Pete said:

not sure what your issue is with Jones. He has the second most tackles in the league and ahead of the next bomber by  a mile.

The bomber d is in the top 3 against the rush as well. He's also 2nd in the league in total defensive plays 

correlation is not causation. Tackles are not a success indicator at lber or db. jones barely has any tfl, he’s not making stops at a depth where he/we are winning the snap. Most of his tackles are 5 yards and further down field. If he didn’t make those stops, some one else would’ve for comparable outcomes. He wasn’t running around like ray lewis making massive stops and stuffs. 

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

people love to over rate tackles especially at lber. 

and/or is willing/planning to throw his coach under the bus in case of crash. I don’t think walters will do that, I think he will take the bullet for mos. 

correlation is not causation. Tackles are not a success indicator at lber or db. jones barely has any tfl, he’s not making stops at a depth where he/we are winning the snap. Most of his tackles are 5 yards and further down field. If he didn’t make those stops, some one else would’ve for comparable outcomes. He wasn’t running around like ray lewis making massive stops and stuffs. 

actually had 4 tfl, more than Awe and Sankey, and 3 sacks, both more than any other mlb in the league

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

actually had 4 tfl, more than Awe and Sankey, and 3 sacks, both more than any other mlb in the league

Stop correlating

[Pete]

15 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Stop correlating

Edited 1 hour ago by Pete

[ShyGuy]

This happens every year across every sport, I'm not sure why people are confused. The people who are voting are going to more or less looking at the box score.

There are 2 riders with plenty of picks, they make it to the list even though they both didn't play a chunk of the season. The is one Bombers on the list, despite the Bombers secondary being top of the west in most metrics (other than picks)

[bearpants]

48 minutes ago, Pete said:

actually had 4 tfl, more than Awe and Sankey, and 3 sacks, both more than any other mlb in the league

my problem with Jones is that, while yes he's good... but he's not a difference maker... and the team seems content with a 30 year old, above average MLB for the foreseeable future... I'd prefer if they were constantly trying to uncover a superstar and not just settling for "good enough"...

[wbbfan]

58 minutes ago, Pete said:

actually had 4 tfl, more than Awe and Sankey, and 3 sacks, both more than any other mlb in the league

4 TFL in an every-down role, over an 18-game schedule, as a run-stopping only imp Lber is really bad. Awe and Sankey are both classic cases of tackle padders after yards are gained. Take a look back at the thread I made about the average depth of tackle. I broke down multiple games, especially with Aw,e where he was racking up 10+ tackles and huge amounts of them came after first downs, and greater than average yards per touch had been achieved. 

Lber is simply the lowest value starting position on Ds in this era. Wil and Mac, for most teams, are relegated to spying Qbs/Rbs and trying to get in the way of pass lanes. That's why so many teams are flipping those spots. 

Take a look at those 3 LBER teams, and their yards per rush against, rushing yards given up, average rush yards given up on first down, opponent rushes on first down, and big runs given up. If tackles dictated success, you would expect to see similarities in outcome for all 3 teams, and since they were the 3 top linebackers in tackles, that they would be 3 of the top, if not the top Ds across the board vs the run. Only, that is not what you see. What you find is that those 3 teams rank all over last through 2nd in the league in those stats. And that the team that consistently is the top against the run, isn't one with the top tackling Lbers or players in general. 

Last year, the top tackling team was the riders, with a slightly better than average D. This year, they don't, and they are the best front half D in the league.  And who did they turn to at Mac this year? A role-playing Canadian, who, despite having fewer tackles, had a better year than Jones. He 87 tackles with 4 sacks, 3 picks, 3 FF, 4 TFL, and 4 PKDs. 

 Tackles at mac, are an indication of teams running between the tackles. A high volume of tackles 5 yards down field and further, is an indication of not making the play in the gap and coming back to drag a guy down. 

 

 

Edited 32 minutes ago by wbbfan

[wbbfan]

49 minutes ago, Pete said:

This is the equivalent of, "I did my own research on Google, and it told me the scientists are wrong!" 

Tackles are awarded on every single non-scoring offensive snap. All a tackle stat says is you were in the same place when the play ended. Not to mention how spuriously they are awarded in this league without half tackles/Asts. 

[Pete]

38 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

4 TFL in an every-down role, over an 18-game schedule, as a run-stopping only imp Lber is really bad. Awe and Sankey are both classic cases of tackle padders after yards are gained. Take a look back at the thread I made about the average depth of tackle. I broke down multiple games, especially with Aw,e where he was racking up 10+ tackles and huge amounts of them came after first downs, and greater than average yards per touch had been achieved. 

Lber is simply the lowest value starting position on Ds in this era. Wil and Mac, for most teams, are relegated to spying Qbs/Rbs and trying to get in the way of pass lanes. That's why so many teams are flipping those spots. 

Take a look at those 3 LBER teams, and their yards per rush against, rushing yards given up, average rush yards given up on first down, opponent rushes on first down, and big runs given up. If tackles dictated success, you would expect to see similarities in outcome for all 3 teams, and since they were the 3 top linebackers in tackles, that they would be 3 of the top, if not the top Ds across the board vs the run. Only, that is not what you see. What you find is that those 3 teams rank all over last through 2nd in the league in those stats. And that the team that consistently is the top against the run, isn't one with the top tackling Lbers or players in general. 

Last year, the top tackling team was the riders, with a slightly better than average D. This year, they don't, and they are the best front half D in the league.  And who did they turn to at Mac this year? A role-playing Canadian, who, despite having fewer tackles, had a better year than Jones. He 87 tackles with 4 sacks, 3 picks, 3 FF, 4 TFL, and 4 PKDs. 

 Tackles at mac, are an indication of teams running between the tackles. A high volume of tackles 5 yards down field and further, is an indication of not making the play in the gap and coming back to drag a guy down. 

 

 

so who would you have chosen as allstar lb instead ? In the east Mcmanis didn't  play enough. In edm Morgan and ANderson were hurt. And as for research  looked at CFL stats, Given whos voting thats gonna be one of the criteria they use to vote .Maybe we'll get a better idea when the players select the allstars.

Thurman seems the most consistent mlb but hes not great at making big plays either.  None of the mlb's are in the class of outside lbs Pickett and Beverette.. 

Edited 1 minute ago by Pete