Bombers at REDBLACKS early chat

[Booch]

35 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Engineering is math... engineers are nothing more than calculators. 

To some extent yup...that's why I like to get out in the field and in the dirt too lol

[HardCoreBlue]

4 minutes ago, bearpants said:

I guess the question would be... is he not playing because they don't trust him or are they too loyal to the existing players?... if it's the former, why is he even here?... if it's the latter... that's a good way for a coach to lose his job

And I think this question you pose and similar other questions are fair raise to prompt good discussion and debate and posing these type questions do not mean fire MOS fire Walters, fire everyone, wholesale changes everywhere, do this, do that etc.

[wbbfan]

50 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Sentence structure is helpful to be able to function in society at a basic level. So is learning math. For that matter, so is learning punctuation. As well, if its lacking people may make assumptions about one's intellect, although sometimes one's comments reveal a lot about that.

Oh brother, how disconnected from society art thou? Proper punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling are like speaking Latin in a kindergarten class these days, or Old English. 

Judging a persons intellect by their writing is a fool's errand. If we did that, we would have to discard the great Russian writers like Gogol and Dostoevsky. The ladder of whom has their own name spelled wrong on a huge amount of their published works. Or at that rate, William Shakespeare, who could only manage to sign his will with an X. Or Leonardo Davinci, who repeatedly failed to properly spell many basic words in his journal. Along with many others, I can list if you really like. Even though the likes of EB White and William Strunk would admit that these are pedantic ways to judge people. Even though the hate they had for abuse of grammar led to the publishing of the best pocket book on writing ever, and its later revisions and popularity. 

This is the football equivelant of judging a QBs scouting report based on how pretty his girl friend is. 

42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Engineering is math... engineers are nothing more than calculators. 

Bad engineers, maybe. Good engineers are problem solvers. Great Engineers can solve problems and turn that process into value. I've known and worked with many in my life, and it's always easy to see the good and great engineers. Calculators, who haven't spent much time in a pocket. 

[sweep the leg]

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Oh brother, how disconnected from society art thou? Proper punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling are like speaking Latin in a kindergarten class these days, or Old English. 

Judging a persons intellect by their writing is a fool's errand. If we did that, we would have to discard the great Russian writers like Gogol and Dostoevsky. The ladder of whom has their own name spelled wrong on a huge amount of their published works.

Latter

[Stickem]

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

 

This is the football equivelant of judging a QBs scouting report based on how pretty his girl friend is. 

...................orrrrr judging a man by the thickness of his hair...I've always felt priveledged that I have command of the English lanquage written or spoken...I have to give credit to my early teachers in Winnipeg schools, who taught me very well....Is my writing perfect...no, and my punctution leaves a lot to be desired and the little dots after words would have my former teachers aghast...BUT we do what we do on this team site ....and in the end just hope everyone understands one's sentiment they're trying to convey

7 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Latter

....you are correct...in your correction ....just goes to prove nobody is perfect

[wbbfan]

52 minutes ago, bearpants said:

Maybe I'm missing the tone of this post but to the first bolded point... how do you know that?... I'm not saying Wilson is the next CFL superstar... but at this point, we have no idea what he is... could, at the very least, be an upgrade from Streveler...

Second bolded... we all hope for that every game... it just seems to happen less and less these days...

In the NBA, they say you are the player you are going to be after 3 seasons. Significant jumps up in performance after that window are extremely rare. 

Football is far more varied, with some positions having very small windows (RB, DB, Lber), others having large windows (QB, OL, Canadian LOL). Because QBs have long windows (MBT, Khari, Zach), it can be hard. 

 Most people still write off the first year for a QB. I don't think we've seen plenty of guys step in early and succeed. Even the NFL is cooling off on the 1 year on the bench for top pick QBs. But the 2nd pro TC is a huge checkpoint. Especially up here. You would expect any rookie to take a decent-sized step forward going into their 2nd TC in general or up here.  

The next step forward is moving up to being QB2. Not a huge difference between being QB3 and being on the PR Very few snaps come your way, the team's prep for you is minimal, you likely spend more time with the QB coach than the OC in the prep time before a game. But as a QB2, that all changes. You get snaps in each practice, you get coached, even just to run a scout team, you are involved more in play install, and heavily involved with the game on the sideline. You go from chucking balls on the side to anyone who wants to warm up and standing around to signaling and talking to the sideline coach (QB or OC) on most snaps. 

After that, it gets hard as you need primary reps to progress and show it. 

 Next week, on Tuesday, Wilson will have been here for 2 years. He's had 2 full TCs, and he's been QB2 for 14 games in the CFL. Including 2 playoff games and appearing in the GC. 

From TC 1 to the end of TC2, and both pre-seasons, he hasn't shown improvement. He's Poised, Athletic, and has the Arm. He hasn't shown even flashes of the ability to locate the ball, throw on time, get the ball out to a spot on time, read the D, or run an offense.  

Dru brown struggled early to the point he only got on the roster for 2 games in 21. He was bad in the preseason, he was worse in the late-season window that we worked him in. 22 TC, he came in having taken a big step forward. He led the game-winning drive in W1 after Zach got knocked out and moved up the chart. Late that year, he got a chance and stepped up big again. At 23, he's the best backup QB in the league. 24, he's QB1 for ott. 

 

 Wilson is now at the point, time line-wise, where Dru was when he beat up on BC and put up 350 yards. But his progress is that of a rookie in his first training camp. Pigrome was gone from here in his first year, and gone from the league after 2. Sean McGuire was a depth guy one year, then QB2. He flopped and was gone at the end of his 2nd year. Prukop was in Tor for 2.5 years, then here for 2 years, then EDM for 1. Strevy was here 2 years, went to the NFL, came back, and now is nearing the end of 2 years, has one foot out the door. Or he sure should. 

It's not impossible that Wilson still takes a step forward. But it is getting to be extremely unlikely. Even if he takes a good step forward, that makes him a decent QB2. Not a QB1 candidate. He's a year away from being a year away. 

 We have failed to work him in this year, despite some good opportunities to do so. He really needs one in the final window of this season. And he needs to show serious progression. 

19 minutes ago, Stickem said:

...................orrrrr judging a man by the thickness of his hair...I've always felt priveledged that I have command of the English lanquage written or spoken...I have to give credit to my early teachers in Winnipeg schools, who taught me very well....Is my writing perfect...no, and my punctution leaves a lot to be desired and the little dots after words would have my former teachers aghast...BUT we do what we do on this team site ....and in the end just hope everyone understands one's sentiment they're trying to convey

....you are correct...in your correction ....just goes to prove nobody is perfect

 

25 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Latter

Except Mr.Perfect. Would've been perfect if he caught that. 

 

[BRT]

3 hours ago, Tracker said:

At 79, I am afraid to go into antique stores for fear they may not let me leave. And I get annoyed when they change the supermarket layout. Damned kids.

I just retired and turned 80 in July. Heck I am at times afraid to go to the bathroom as I at times can not remember why I am there!!😁

[HardCoreBlue]

20 minutes ago, Stickem said:

...................orrrrr judging a man by the thickness of his hair...I've always felt priveledged that I have command of the English lanquage written or spoken...I have to give credit to my early teachers in Winnipeg schools, who taught me very well....Is my writing perfect...no, and my punctution leaves a lot to be desired and the little dots after words would have my former teachers aghast...BUT we do what we do on this team site ....and in the end just hope everyone understands one's sentiment they're trying to convey

....you are correct...in your correction ....just goes to prove nobody is perfect

Ahhh speak for yourself. My wife constantly remarks 'oh and you're just sooo perfect'. 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Good engineers are problem solvers. Great Engineers can solve problems and turn that process into value. I've known and worked with many in my life, and it's always easy to see the good and great engineers. Calculators, who haven't spent much time in a pocket. 

Well they certainly like to think they are...

So here's the thing,  people revere engineers but most engineers can't think outside the box and are pretty rigid thinkers, goes back to the math.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Well they certainly like to think they are...

So here's the thing,  people revere engineers but most engineers can't think outside the box and are pretty rigid thinkers, goes back to the math.

Really depends on where you get and find the engineers. If they go out of school to work for the company they intern for and never move up, become stagnant in the profession and company, you bet. I've seen lots of those guys. I knew one in particular who was the proficient procrastinator I've ever met. he was a master of delaying work until it would disappear. 

 If you get them out of the drone mills and into a field where they work hands-on, especially in an area of interest, you see wonders. School, work, and society have a way of drawing any passion out of work and intellectual pursuits. It's just about breaking that cycle. 

Math is rigid at low, basic levels. At higher levels, it's a very pliable problem-solving tool.  If high level maths were completely rigid, they'd be easy, and they are not lol. 

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Really depends on where you get and find the engineers. If they go out of school to work for the company they intern for and never move up, become stagnant in the profession and company, you bet. I've seen lots of those guys. I knew one in particular who was the proficient procrastinator I've ever met. he was a master of delaying work until it would disappear. 

 If you get them out of the drone mills and into a field where they work hands-on, especially in an area of interest, you see wonders. School, work, and society have a way of drawing any passion out of work and intellectual pursuits. It's just about breaking that cycle. 

Math is rigid at low, basic levels. At higher levels, it's a very pliable problem-solving tool.  If high level maths were completely rigid, they'd be easy, and they are not lol. 

Bingo, bango, bongo. You could insert other professions and say the exact same thing.

Human beings are a funny and fascinating species influenced by so many things that make them who they are..

[Booch]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Oh brother, how disconnected from society art thou? Proper punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling are like speaking Latin in a kindergarten class these days, or Old English. 

Judging a persons intellect by their writing is a fool's errand. If we did that, we would have to discard the great Russian writers like Gogol and Dostoevsky. The ladder of whom has their own name spelled wrong on a huge amount of their published works. Or at that rate, William Shakespeare, who could only manage to sign his will with an X. Or Leonardo Davinci, who repeatedly failed to properly spell many basic words in his journal. Along with many others, I can list if you really like. Even though the likes of EB White and William Strunk would admit that these are pedantic ways to judge people. Even though the hate they had for abuse of grammar led to the publishing of the best pocket book on writing ever, and its later revisions and popularity. 

This is the football equivelant of judging a QBs scouting report based on how pretty his girl friend is. 

Bad engineers, maybe. Good engineers are problem solvers. Great Engineers can solve problems and turn that process into value. I've known and worked with many in my life, and it's always easy to see the good and great engineers. Calculators, who haven't spent much time in a pocket. 

Yeah...field and real world experience in my opinion...and experience rules

The book smart and calculator reliant guys were some of the worst engs I know

I have site experience...inspection..GPS survey..and robotics...actually train people in it...so if you thrive in the dirt and see what the calcs and paper dictate...but can't figure out how to make it work in the real world...and more times than not 2d nonesense never does in the field...well...you flounder

51 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Well they certainly like to think they are...

So here's the thing,  people revere engineers but most engineers can't think outside the box and are pretty rigid thinkers, goes back to the math.

I way out the box...have to be...thats why Osh and his status quo and resistance to change...tweaks drives me nuts...I also coach yhe same way

 

45 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Really depends on where you get and find the engineers. If they go out of school to work for the company they intern for and never move up, become stagnant in the profession and company, you bet. I've seen lots of those guys. I knew one in particular who was the proficient procrastinator I've ever met. he was a master of delaying work until it would disappear. 

 If you get them out of the drone mills and into a field where they work hands-on, especially in an area of interest, you see wonders. School, work, and society have a way of drawing any passion out of work and intellectual pursuits. It's just about breaking that cycle. 

Math is rigid at low, basic levels. At higher levels, it's a very pliable problem-solving tool.  If high level maths were completely rigid, they'd be easy, and they are not lol. 

Yup...the busiest guy doing nothing! Seen it all too often

If engineer companies aren't trying to poach you from where u currently are...you got no chops...

I been poached 3x...chop chop lol

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[bryan35]

35 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

 

 

Figures Drew will be safe with our pass rush

[johnzo]

I'm a software engineer and I help build aerospace tools, and the hardest part of my job is not coding or technical crap, it's all communications and learning.  I have to learn enough about my customers' disciplines so that I can build software that's useful to them.  Def no choice but to get out in the field and learn what they do by seeing it directly.  It's never boring.

be interesting to fire up a careers thread and find out what everyone does/did for a living.

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Really depends on where you get and find the engineers. If they go out of school to work for the company they intern for and never move up, become stagnant in the profession and company, you bet. I've seen lots of those guys. I knew one in particular who was the proficient procrastinator I've ever met. he was a master of delaying work until it would disappear. 

yeah, I've known some brilliant people who are not doers.  those guys are so frustrating to work with, they can turn anything into a quagmire.

on the other hand, I've also worked with hi-energy idiots, people who might be smart and eager but who have zero judgment -- those guys are dangerous.

as in all things, you gotta walk the line.

Edited 56 minutes ago by johnzo

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, johnzo said:

I'm a software engineer and I help build aerospace tools, and the hardest part of my job is not coding or technical crap, it's all communications and learning.  I have to learn enough about my customers' disciplines so that I can build software that's useful to them.  Def no choice but to get out in the field and learn what they do by seeing it directly.  It's never boring.

be interesting to fire up a careers thread and find out what everyone does/did for a living.

yeah, I've known some brilliant people who are not doers.  those guys are so frustrating to work with, they can turn anything into a quagmire.

on the other hand, I've also worked with hi-energy idiots, people who might be smart and eager but who have zero judgment -- those guys are dangerous.

as in all things, you gotta walk the line.

yeah....would be....Puts more of a face so to speak behind the username

Was interesting just hearing of some here...and some of the ages! 

[HardCoreBlue]

15 minutes ago, Booch said:

yeah....would be....Puts more of a face so to speak behind the username

Was interesting just hearing of some here...and some of the ages! 

I'll start. I'm in the adult entertainment business.

(wakes up goes to work feeling depressed).

[wbbfan]

46 minutes ago, johnzo said:

I'm a software engineer and I help build aerospace tools, and the hardest part of my job is not coding or technical crap, it's all communications and learning.  I have to learn enough about my customers' disciplines so that I can build software that's useful to them.  Def no choice but to get out in the field and learn what they do by seeing it directly.  It's never boring.

be interesting to fire up a careers thread and find out what everyone does/did for a living.

yeah, I've known some brilliant people who are not doers.  those guys are so frustrating to work with, they can turn anything into a quagmire.

on the other hand, I've also worked with hi-energy idiots, people who might be smart and eager but who have zero judgment -- those guys are dangerous.

as in all things, you gotta walk the line.

sounds like an interesting are of specialty. I love the intersections of engineering and the trades. I’ve worked on 4 different sides of it over the past 25 years and love it. 

Oh yeah, i’ve been on more than a few projects like that. actually most projects seem to have atleast one nutter lol. 

29 minutes ago, Booch said:

yeah....would be....Puts more of a face so to speak behind the username

Was interesting just hearing of some here...and some of the ages! 

First rule of mbb, don’t ask people their age lol

[Booch]

15 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I'll start. I'm in the adult entertainment business.

(wakes up goes to work feeling depressed).

hahaha....well I guess I used to be bouncing ay Teasers

[HardCoreBlue]

58 minutes ago, johnzo said:

I'm a software engineer and I help build aerospace tools, and the hardest part of my job is not coding or technical crap, it's all communications and learning.  I have to learn enough about my customers' disciplines so that I can build software that's useful to them.  Def no choice but to get out in the field and learn what they do by seeing it directly.  It's never boring.

be interesting to fire up a careers thread and find out what everyone does/did for a living.

yeah, I've known some brilliant people who are not doers.  those guys are so frustrating to work with, they can turn anything into a quagmire.

on the other hand, I've also worked with hi-energy idiots, people who might be smart and eager but who have zero judgment -- those guys are dangerous.

as in all things, you gotta walk the line.

Uh oh. Sorry.

[WinnipegGordo]

O'Shea actually said he doesn't think Zach will play.