Winnipeg Blue Bombers @ Montreal Alouettes GDT

[SpeedFlex27]

9 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

Cut the BS.  I was actually happy with ZC play last night.  ZC took what the defense gave him and I admire him for that.  He’s had to adjust his game because he isn’t the deep thrower he used to be.  I’ve been advocating for him to develop  more of a short to midrange passing game and at least for this game he did so successfully. 

Yeah he played really well for a shell of a player that he is. You said that crap. I didn't. You think he asked for the receiving corps he has even before the injuries happened last night? That's on our idiot GM & not Collaros. I'm the first to criticize when Zach plays badly but he had the best game of the season & you're just talking ****. He deserves accolades & not a kick in the gonads. 

Edited 4 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

19 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

And I think Demski is a 1 or 1a receiver, based on how he's played this year. Wheatfall is showing flashes, but he keeps getting absolutely hammered.

Not like Schoen. He gets mugged like I've never seen a receiver experience before. He'll draw back into the lineup get beat up again & be out again. 

[voodoochylde]

3 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Not like Schoen. He gets mugged like I've never seen a receiver experience before. He'll draw back into the lineup get beat up again & be out again. 

And if we're being completely honest, Zach has hung Schoen out to dry more than a few times over the last couple of years and is part of the reason Schoen has taken the beating he has.

[Goalie]

I mean normally you don’t tear acls cuz you taking hits. You tear them cuz you landed funny or someone landed on you. I’ve seen ppl tear quads and acls just by running jogging or even walking. 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, voodoochylde said:

And if we're being completely honest, Zach has hung Schoen out to dry more than a few times over the last couple of years and is part of the reason Schoen has taken the beating he has.

Not anymore than any other receiver. I just thunk Schoen days as an impact receiver are over & trotting him out there is sad. We need to replenish our receiving corps this comng off season. Walters has done a terrible job with personnel decisions. Who they keep & sign. The receiver position has been totally devastated by him. Why have a $500,000 a year qb & spend no money on any deep threat receivers. We might as well have someone like Caleb Evans at qb. We're throwing money away from the salary cap playing Collaros with the guys we have now. 

[Goalie]

I mean besides lawler what guy did we let go that’s having an impact on another team? Nobody. 
 

but I agree. Receiver shouldn’t be hard to find at all. Definitely a F there for Kyle but really it’s just lawler. Maybe lawler hid the issues with the O a bit but in reality our O was and Is at its best when Brady is featured heavily. Whenever Brady or AH before had big games and big touches we were winning, when we relied on Zach and the passing game? Not so much. Our O runs through Brady. It’s why we all want him to get more touches cuz games like last night will become the norm then cuz they were not very long ago. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Goalie

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I mean normally you don’t tear acls cuz you taking hits. You tear them cuz you landed funny or someone landed on you. I’ve seen ppl tear quads and acls just by running jogging or even walking. 

No, I know lots of guys who were injured taking a shot to the knee. I injured mine when I was blocked. Right to the knee, I had all my weight on my left leg whn I was taken out. The same injury Schoen had. It was awful. I hope none of you ever experience it. Or what I went thru for the next 47 years. I feel for Dalton, I really do. 

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No, I know lots of guys who were injured taking a shot to the knee. I injured mine when I was blocked. Right to the knee, I had all my weight on my left leg whn I was taken out. The same injury Schoen had. It was awful. I hope none of you ever experience it. Or what I went thru for the next 47 years. I feel for Dalton, I really do. 

my first rebuild was a shot to side of knee on kick return when a guy barreled into me and took me out when trying to shield ball bouncing out of bounds to retain possesion

ACL's can yes go a lot with non contact....but even then it's likely an underlying issue that was bound to happen from some previous trauma

[SpeedFlex27]

2 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I mean besides lawler what guy did we let go that’s having an impact on another team? Nobody. 
 

but I agree. Receiver shouldn’t be hard to find at all. Definitely a F there for Kyle but really it’s just lawler. 

We should be able to replenish receivers. Wasn't that Keon Hatcher playing for the Als last night? Why couldn't we have picked him up? Dominique Rhymes, Steven Dunbar, & Kurleigh Gittens were all free agents this off season. Yet, here we are having our backup qb Chris Streveler still recovering from his serious knee injury out there running routes. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We should be able to replenish receivers. Wasn't that Keon Hatcher playing for the Als last night? Why couldn't we have picked him up? Dominique Rhymes, Steven Dunbar, & Kurleigh Gittens were all free agents this off season. Yet, here we are having our backup qb Chris Streveler still recovering from his serious knee injury out there running routes. 

Hollins actually....Lewis...Coxie....were also available

[wpgallday1960]

28 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yeah he played really well for a shell of a player that he is. You said that crap. I didn't. You think he asked for the receiving corps he has even before the injuries happened last night? That's on our idiot GM & not Collaros. I'm the first to criticize when Zach plays badly but he had the best game of the season & you're just talking ****. He deserves accolades & not a kick in the gonads. 

I guess you just focus on the -ve in my comments, completely ignoring my complementing him on adjusting his game.

To clarify: ZC isn’t the player he used to be, especially on deep throws.  I’ve been advocating for him to develop more of a mid to short range passing game.  Last night he did that successfully and I’m pleased to see it and hope it continues.  I acknowledge we don’t have the WR core to help him out.

There, feel better now?

[sweep the leg]

I’m sure this was discussed, but that was a bit of a mess by O’Shea at the end of the first half wasting the timeout. I assume he thought the clock wouldn’t run after an injury. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

A few comments about the game.

Glad the Bombers won but there were still a few WTF moments starting with the coaching staff. There was some questionable play calling on both sides of the ball and O’Shea’s time-management skills leave a lot to be desired. Do these guys talk to each other?

The O-line played pretty well especially when run-blocking. Kolankowski deserves a lot of the barbs thrown his way but on Oliveira's initial big run (28 yards?), Kolankowski opened it up for him by blocking one defender and then bouncing back to get a second guy. It actually looked like he knew what he was doing. Oliveira was immediately in open ground. I was pleasantly surprised.

Lawson, the DB, was terrible at least to begin with. There's a reason the Bombers brought back Houston. The sooner he's inserted into the lineup the better. 

Why is Kramdi starting at S when Allen is a keeper. Don't we already start more than the minimum required Canucks?

Kudos to our Special Teams (good coaching). The kicking game is solid. Castillo always was and it has taken several years but Sheehan is coming around. I like Vaval over Logan as a returner but it's probably too early to judge Logan.

Good to see Wilson out there for the 3^rd and short plays although he might have been out there because Streveler was lining up as a receiver.  Do the coaches not see (what seems pretty obvious to me) that Wilson for whatever reasons is at this point the better option. I’m still convinced that the recent game in Calgary was lost because they used Streveler instead of Wilson on that 3^rd and 1 on the Calgary 10. Had we scored on that drive, it would have been a dagger in the Stamps.

Collaros played well. Was that his best game in a long while? Oliveira is looking stronger which points to a full recovery from his injury.

The next two games will be interesting. Objectively, the Riders are the best team in the league so it will be challenging for the Bombers.

Go Bombers Go!

[17to85]

1 minute ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Kolankowski deserves a lot of the barbs thrown his way but on Oliveira's initial big run (28 yards?), Kolankowski opened it up for him by blocking one defender and then bouncing back to get a second guy. It actually looked like he knew what he was doing. Oliveira was immediately in open ground. I was pleasantly surprised.

This is why some people want to see a change there... imagine if that was a regular occurrence?

[Booch]

1 minute ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

A few comments about the game.

Glad the Bombers won but there were still a few WTF moments starting with the coaching staff. There was some questionable play calling on both sides of the ball and O’Shea’s time-management skills leave a lot to be desired. Do these guys talk to each other?

The O-line played pretty well especially when run-blocking. Kolankowski deserves a lot of the barbs thrown his way but on Oliveira's initial big run (28 yards?), Kolankowski opened it up for him by blocking one defender and then bouncing back to get a second guy. It actually looked like he knew what he was doing. Oliveira was immediately in open ground. I was pleasantly surprised.

Lawson, the DB, was terrible at least to begin with. There's a reason the Bombers brought back Houston. The sooner he's inserted into the lineup the better. 

Why is Kramdi starting at S when Allen is a keeper. Don't we already start more than the minimum required Canucks?

Kudos to our Special Teams (good coaching). The kicking game is solid. Castillo always was and it has taken several years but Sheehan is coming around. I like Vaval over Logan as a returner but it's probably too early to judge Logan.

Good to see Wilson out there for the 3^rd and short plays although he might have been out there because Streveler was lining up as a receiver.  Do the coaches not see (what seems pretty obvious to me) that Wilson for whatever reasons is at this point the better option. I’m still convinced that the recent game in Calgary was lost because they used Streveler instead of Wilson on that 3^rd and 1 on the Calgary 10. Had we scored on that drive, it would have been a dagger in the Stamps.

Collaros played well. Was that his best game in a long while? Oliveira is looking stronger which points to a full recovery from his injury.

The next two games will be interesting. Objectively, the Riders are the best team in the league so it will be challenging for the Bombers.

Go Bombers Go!

cant argue with any of that...well said

Just now, 17to85 said:

This is why some people want to see a change there... imagine if that was a regular occurrence?

old adage...sun shines on a dogs ass some days

[SpeedFlex27]

17 minutes ago, Booch said:

my first rebuild was a shot to side of knee on kick return when a guy barreled into me and took me out when trying to shield ball bouncing out of bounds to retain possesion

ACL's can yes go a lot with non contact....but even then it's likely an underlying issue that was bound to happen from some previous trauma

Interesting take. I had a bicycle injury when I was 8 years old where I fell off my bike going as fast as I could when I was racing my friends in pur backlane, I fell knee first (in shorts) into a gravel driveway. I was rushed to the hospital by ambulance (a real old school ambulance - this was July 1963 ya know). I had surgery & was in a plaster cast from my foot to my waist. I was at the Children's Hospital for a week. I always had problems with that same left knee & leg afterwards growing up. I had road burns & scars all over my left knee, head, face, thigh & left elbow. I know I lost some of the skin off my left knee. That's the first time in all these years anyone has ever suggested that a prior trauma may have contributed to my later knee injury. Thanks, Booch as that would explain a lot. 

15 minutes ago, Booch said:

Hollins actually....Lewis...Coxie....were also available

Like WTF????

Edited 3 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[wpgallday1960]

3 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

A few comments about the game.

Glad the Bombers won but there were still a few WTF moments starting with the coaching staff. There was some questionable play calling on both sides of the ball and O’Shea’s time-management skills leave a lot to be desired. Do these guys talk to each other?

The O-line played pretty well especially when run-blocking. Kolankowski deserves a lot of the barbs thrown his way but on Oliveira's initial big run (28 yards?), Kolankowski opened it up for him by blocking one defender and then bouncing back to get a second guy. It actually looked like he knew what he was doing. Oliveira was immediately in open ground. I was pleasantly surprised.

Lawson, the DB, was terrible at least to begin with. There's a reason the Bombers brought back Houston. The sooner he's inserted into the lineup the better. 

Why is Kramdi starting at S when Allen is a keeper. Don't we already start more than the minimum required Canucks?

Kudos to our Special Teams (good coaching). The kicking game is solid. Castillo always was and it has taken several years but Sheehan is coming around. I like Vaval over Logan as a returner but it's probably too early to judge Logan.

Good to see Wilson out there for the 3^rd and short plays although he might have been out there because Streveler was lining up as a receiver.  Do the coaches not see (what seems pretty obvious to me) that Wilson for whatever reasons is at this point the better option. I’m still convinced that the recent game in Calgary was lost because they used Streveler instead of Wilson on that 3^rd and 1 on the Calgary 10. Had we scored on that drive, it would have been a dagger in the Stamps.

Collaros played well. Was that his best game in a long while? Oliveira is looking stronger which points to a full recovery from his injury.

The next two games will be interesting. Objectively, the Riders are the best team in the league so it will be challenging for the Bombers.

Go Bombers Go!

I have to laugh regarding Castillo: when he makes a kick my buddy yells out “Gulf of Mexico”. When he misses a kick it’s “Gulf of America”.  A lot more Mexico this year.

 

[Bubba Zanetti]

18 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

I have to laugh regarding Castillo: when he makes a kick my buddy yells out “Gulf of Mexico”. When he misses a kick it’s “Gulf of America”.  A lot more Mexico this year.

 

Ran into him at a Goldeyes game a couple weeks back. Really nice guy. Smaller than i thought he would be up close lol.

[blue85gold]

Kyrie Wilson had a rough game. Surprised he hasn't got injured yet 10 games in. Would be nice to see JJones in his place soon. 

[Bigblue204]

32 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

I’m sure this was discussed, but that was a bit of a mess by O’Shea at the end of the first half wasting the timeout. I assume he thought the clock wouldn’t run after an injury. 

Yeah I was confused about what happened there. Seemed like he was too....which honestly just shouldn't happen.

[Blue28]

NFL cut down to 53 is on Aug 26th. Good timing for airlifts. Bombers played well last night!

[Slimy Sculpin]

30 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Kyrie Wilson had a rough game. Surprised he hasn't got injured yet 10 games in. Would be nice to see JJones in his place soon. 

I agree. He seems to know where to go but he's a tad slow getting there and his tackling technique has regressed. The result of too many injuries and age, I guess.

36 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Ran into him at a Goldeyes game a couple weeks back. Really nice guy. Smaller than i thought he would be up close lol.

While visiting family, I've been to two Bomber games in Calgary over the last two seasons. I've taken my grandkids (8 and 5) to the games early and both times, Castillo has come over to chat with them and sign autographs.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

And I think Demski is a 1 or 1a receiver, based on how he's played this year. Wheatfall is showing flashes, but he keeps getting absolutely hammered.

even going back to last year with wheatfall, he was boom or bust. As a step forward year 2 guy, it's not likely he takes another big step forward. Not impossible, but far from likely. 

He's a valuable guy, but he's the guy you need a specific set of assets around him to help him perform. He needs a no1 guy to pull the D, and some one of the unit who stretches deep so he only faces loose 1on1 cover. 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Hollins actually....Lewis...Coxie....were also available

Not only did we pick the worst of the bunch of wrs available, and give up the best wr on the market, we actually made the guys we took in worse. 

I like Sterns, he's a gutsy little guy with tons of effort. Doesn't have the talent or athleticism of Dressler, but he's a good guy to have as the last imp in your starting rotation of wrs. 

The problem is, every one is the complementary guy, and they all seem to be waiting for some one else to be Kenny lawler. Demski has stepped his game up a good level this year, but he's taken a hell of a battering here and is now banged up. And our offence isn't designed around demskis tool set. We aren't set up for catch and run down field stuff. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

48 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

even going back to last year with wheatfall, he was boom or bust. As a step forward year 2 guy, it's not likely he takes another big step forward. Not impossible, but far from likely. 

He's a valuable guy, but he's the guy you need a specific set of assets around him to help him perform. He needs a no1 guy to pull the D, and some one of the unit who stretches deep so he only faces loose 1on1 cover. 

I’d like to see what he could do in the slot, we’ve seen he can deal with the tough stuff in the middle. 

I don’t think it would be the worst idea to switch Wheatfall and Mitchell for a game.