GDT- Bombers @ Toronto

[sweep the leg]

37 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Corcoran is a nice piece.  I'd like to see him get a bunch more reps, very complimentary with Clercius in regard to winning routes coming into the field where Clercius is more of a threat in isolation.

Maybe they can let him run something other than mesh.

[Mark H.]

Just popping in to say...I'm as disappointed as any of you. I get that things are said in the heat of the moment...but some of the posts making poking fun at the Case injury...be better 

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

Ya that corps looks so bad... They'll fix it.... Just don't know when.

Fix the receiving corps? The same two people that wrecked it are still in charge &  running the team. They spend half a mill on a qb & then cheap out on the receivers for some unknown reason. This isn't 1985. You can't just airlift player in anymore to fix things. The receivers won't get fixed until the off season. If then. 

Edited 11 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[sweep the leg]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Fix it? The ones that wrecked it are still in charge running the team. They spend half a mill in a qb & then cheap out on the receivers for some unknown reason. This isn't 1985. You can't just airlift player in anymore to fix things. The receivers won't get fixed until the off season.

Schoen getting healthy and Wilson coming back from the NFL would be two pretty big in-season improvements to the group. 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Osh has been relying on the team to fix it themselves for so now that now that they can't he doesn't know what to do.

 

Here's a thought... best guys play regardless of tenure or seniority. You're burned badly all season You're benched and some one else gets a turn.

Our offense coordinator needs to be answering some questions too because it looks to me that opposing teams have no problems figuring out what he's trying to do.

I agree but it shouldn't just be the Co-Ordinators on the hot seat. It also needs to be Walters & Osh to answer for this past off season. Like WTH were you both doing?

4 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Schoen getting healthy and Wilson coming back from the NFL would be two pretty big in-season improvements to the group. 

Relying on things out of their control which is never good. With his inkjury & subsequent surgery & recovery, still Schoen may never reach the poiint where he was 2 years ago. Wilson may be a difference maker but what if he doesn't come back? 

Edited 12 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[BBFan]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Ya that corps looks so bad... They'll fix it.... Just don't know when.

Maybe next year ?

[Noeller]

32 minutes ago, BBFan said:

Maybe next year ?

Absolutely possible... 

[captaincanuck12]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Draw a warm bath, lower yourself in slowly, then take a dump where you sit.

/recap

This was the best post of the night hands down.  Thank you for the laugh.

[Bomberguy]

2 minutes ago, captaincanuck12 said:

This was the best post of the night hands down.  Thank you for the laugh.

This is what Riderfans could have been doing the last 12 years (especially the last 5 seasons), but they couldn’t bring themselves to the bath part.

[Brandon]

So how did Zach and Strev play? Was the o line the issue again?

 

[Goalie]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

So how did Zach and Strev play? Was the o line the issue again?

 

Not great. Strev had a nice drive. His TD was more than Zach managed. He managed a FG. Our other TD was a defensive one. Person Vaughters and Willie played well. Person played lots. Corcoran looks like a good player also. Vaval got reps at db and was better than the others including Nichols who now sucks but bridges bonds and Parker are lost back there. Tony Jones showed hustle. Despite the narrative 

Edited 10 hours ago by Goalie

[Nolby]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Not great. Strev had a nice drive. His TD was more than Zach managed. He managed a FG. Our other TD was a defensive one. Person Vaughters and Willie played well. Person played lots. Corcoran looks like a good player also 

Just imagine a qb that can scramble and make throws on the fly........oh yeah, we let him go to Ottawa....what a ****** horrendous screw uo that was.

[Goalie]

Just now, Nolby said:

Just imagine a qb that can scramble and make throws on the fly........oh yeah, we let him go to Ottawa....what a ****** horrendous screw uo that was.

Yup. Can’t do nothing about that now tho. 

Was Zach hurt or deviating from play calls and sucking and that’s why he was pulled? 

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

So how did Zach and Strev play? Was the o line the issue again?

 

The two-time CFL Most Outstanding Player completed five passes for 79 yards and two interceptions in the first half Saturday before exiting the eventual 31-17 loss to Toronto.

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Yup. Can’t do nothing about that now tho. 

Was Zach hurt or deviating from play calls and sucking and that’s why he was pulled? 

The two-time CFL Most Outstanding Player completed five passes for 79 yards and two interceptions in the first half Saturday before exiting the eventual 31-17 loss to Toronto.

That's all you need to know about our receiving corps. Collaros likes to throw the deep ball & stretch out the field. But to whom? Wheatfall has simply disappeared as a deep threat. There's really no one else to catch the ball besides Demski who can do damage deep but he can't do it alone. I can certainly understand why Collaros has struggled. This is what makes me angry as a fan. Most of the damage to the team has been self inflicted by management. A puzzling off season of departures offensively & defensively & no replacements signed. 

[deepsixemtoboyd]

7 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Schoen getting healthy and Wilson coming back from the NFL would be two pretty big in-season improvements to the group. 

I think we can stop looking to Schoen for much of anything… This is the third year in the row that he’s either missed huge blocks of time (24, 25) or absolutely critical time (23). That leaves 22 as the only year he played the full season, correct? Yes, he was outstanding that year, but three years in a row the guy can’t stay healthy and he’s only 27. They should’ve passed on him and found a way to re-up Lawler. Poor decision-making.

[SpeedFlex27]

17 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

I think we can stop looking to Schoen for much of anything… This is the third year in the row that he’s either missed huge blocks of time (24, 25) or absolutely critical time (23). That leaves 22 as the only year he played the full season, correct? Yes, he was outstanding that year, but three years in a row the guy can’t stay healthy and he’s only 27. They should’ve passed on him and found a way to re-up Lawler. Poor decision-making.

That kind of decision making has been common the past few years & really, if things don't improve by September then heads should roll at the end of the season. Walters hasn't signed a new deal & he shouldn't be renewed. A new GM would decide if Osh kept his job. 

[Tracker]

11 hours ago, Booch said:

And post game interview...He has no clue

In the Free Press article online this morning, O'Shea was quoted as saying that he was not concerned at all and that it was easy to see and fix the problem(s). Move along now, nothing to see here.

[rebusrankin]

Honestly on the QBs, neither played well. On pick was not Zach's fault, the other 100% on him. Streveler, one nice drive but other than that, not much. Honestly Streveler is not a good enough passer to be a starting QB imo.

[bigg jay]

11 minutes ago, Tracker said:

In the Free Press article online this morning, O'Shea was quoted as saying that he was not concerned at all and that it was easy to see and fix the problem(s). Move along now, nothing to see here.

“People aren’t going to like to hear this, but I’m very relaxed about the situation, because you see what’s happening, and the answers are easy,” O’Shea said.

“There’s a bunch of guys in that room that have seen it go down a pile of different ways, so I believe we have a bunch of guys that just understand, ‘Let’s make some corrections, let’s go to work and let’s be better,’ So that’s one of the reasons why it’s easy to just stay even keeled.”

If the answers were that easy, why weren't they made after the first Calgary game?

Edited 2 hours ago by bigg jay

[Super Duper Negatron]

In case anybody is crazy enough to want to see the Bombers play in Toronto, we had a car on our trip (family vacation) so we parked at Port Credit GO station and took the train to the stadium. Worked out really well.

The site lines at BMO are great and the fans that were there are passionate and friendly, but I hated the physical seats. My back still hurts.

Edited 2 hours ago by Super Duper Negatron

[17to85]

9 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Honestly on the QBs, neither played well. On pick was not Zach's fault, the other 100% on him. Streveler, one nice drive but other than that, not much. Honestly Streveler is not a good enough passer to be a starting QB imo.

I think streveler is fine as a passer, I think the problems are 2 fold really, and applicable for both qbs... receivers not making enough catches and more importantly,  there's simply too much pressure on the qbs. They're either running away or getting cranked.

[Tracker]

10 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Schoen getting healthy and Wilson coming back from the NFL would be two pretty big in-season improvements to the group. 

Disagree. For starters, Schoen may not be his old self this season or ever, for that matter, and even if/when Pokey returns, so long as a sub-par Collaros keeps getting put out there, nothing will change. Furthermore, none of this will address the defence which is more theoretical than actual. The defensive backfield is inadequate and the players who are competent cannot compensate for those who are blindingly horrible. Then there are the festering boils- Kolankowski and Thomas. Beyond all these issues, I see that the biggest liability is on the sidelines. Not only is O'Shea afflicted with rigid thinking, his choices of coordinators are highly questionable. These issues are neither new nor invisible and if we yahoos in this forum can and have seen them ad nauseum, the players who are living through this know it a lot more acutely. The players who c are have to be getting very tired and PO'd that coaching/management are blithely ignoring the problems and are doing damned near nothing about them. Why bust your ass if you know you  are going to not only lose but be embarrassed? 

6 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

“People aren’t going to like to hear this, but I’m very relaxed about the situation, because you see what’s happening, and the answers are easy,” O’Shea said.

“There’s a bunch of guys in that room that have seen it go down a pile of different ways, so I believe we have a bunch of guys that just understand, ‘Let’s make some corrections, let’s go to work and let’s be better,’ So that’s one of the reasons why it’s easy to just stay even keeled.”

If the answers were that easy, why weren't they made after the first Calgary game?

Blinded by his own ego.

9 hours ago, Brandon said:

So how did Zach and Strev play? Was the o line the issue again?

 

Zach was his (sign) now-usual self, and Streveler looked good enough to start the next game. But unless Collaros is comatose, he won't.

[Concept2]

30 minutes ago, Tracker said:

In the Free Press article online this morning, O'Shea was quoted as saying that he was not concerned at all and that it was easy to see and fix the problem(s). Move along now, nothing to see here.

I wonder if Miller and O’Shea would entertain a trade? Riders have a surplus of receivers (Bane and KSB returning soon). Bombers could send a O-lineman in return? Just spitballing here. 
Hope ZC gets back to good health, a little concerning seeing him out with his concussion history. 

[BomberBall.]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Honestly on the QBs, neither played well. On pick was not Zach's fault, the other 100% on him. Streveler, one nice drive but other than that, not much. Honestly Streveler is not a good enough passer to be a starting QB imo.

I know what you’re saying about Zach’s 2nd pick not being his fault, it was a crazy sequence of bounces that were very unlucky, but he caused that by throwing high to an open receiver.  An easy throw that he needs to make.

I think Streveler has the tools, but I feel like someone needs to correct his mechanics…. I can’t think of many throws last night that he actually stepped into.  He’s almost always throwing flat footed or off his back foot.  He has a great arm, but he could make more throws on time if he got back to his fundamentals.

[Pete]

24 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Disagree. For starters, Schoen may not be his old self this season or ever, for that matter, and even if/when Pokey returns, so long as a sub-par Collaros keeps getting put out there, nothing will change. Furthermore, none of this will address the defence which is more theoretical than actual. The defensive backfield is inadequate and the players who are competent cannot compensate for those who are blindingly horrible. Then there are the festering boils- Kolankowski and Thomas. Beyond all these issues, I see that the biggest liability is on the sidelines. Not only is O'Shea afflicted with rigid thinking, his choices of coordinators are highly questionable. These issues are neither new nor invisible and if we yahoos in this forum can and have seen them ad nauseum, the players who are living through this know it a lot more acutely. The players who c are have to be getting very tired and PO'd that coaching/management are blithely ignoring the problems and are doing damned near nothing about them. Why bust your ass if you know you  are going to not only lose but be embarrassed? 

Blinded by his own ego.

Zach was his (sign) now-usual self, and Streveler looked good enough to start the next game. But unless Collaros is comatose, he won't.

Whats OShea gonna say,, We played like crap,and the players need to be accountable or changes will be made,?

Oh wait thats Dinwiddie.