3 turds plus cranky honker don’t say roster management edition

[Booch]

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Well we've seen the same kinds of problems with multiple coordinators and the common denominator is osh... not sure why it's so hard for some people to accept that Mike O’Shea has flaws.

And the HC has input...and also signs off on a lot of the scheme and playbook...game plan...basically sets his roster...sure he gets input but it's his final.decision and yes from experience will dictate who he wants to see reps...he in constant convo with coords during game...hence the headset..it's not just for spotter to tell him to throw a flag...and this is from experience...not an opinion or assumption 

21 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Who said he doesn’t have flaws but blaming him for everything seems ridiculous. I mean I’m pretty convinced he’s not calling D plays on game days or O plays. Someone brought up a scenario from the last game where we stuffed them then put out Jake and the 3 4 D the next play on 2nd and long. I doubt that’s O’Shea making that play call. That’s Younger. Bend but don’t break but this year they broken. 

He's the headcoach and good and bad...yes it lands on him

Also again...from experience he can and does have say in plays and personel to run it...and again...thays experience talking...not opinion. And the HC will override a lot...or suggest a specific set or formation for particular down and distance.. and who he wants...and the Cordinators do best to facilitate it...based on what they provided for players...and in a lot of critical plays...situation it's the HC making the decisions...hence head coach....no offence here but I think you are a little mislead or unsure of how things actually take place.

31 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Well we've seen the same kinds of problems with multiple coordinators and the common denominator is osh... not sure why it's so hard for some people to accept that Mike O’Shea has flaws.

He definitely needs to start coaching and getting involved and discard the self governing...and in some regards his involvement needs to be changed...

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

And the HC has input...and also signs off on a lot of the scheme and playbook...game plan...basically sets his roster...sure he gets input but it's his final.decision and yes from experience will dictate who he wants to see reps...he in constant convo with coords during game...hence the headset..it's not just for spotter to tell him to throw a flag...and this is from experience...not an opinion or assumption 

He's the headcoach and good and bad...yes it lands on him

Also again...from experience he can and does have say in plays and personel to run it...and again...thays experience talking...not opinion. And the HC will override a lot...or suggest a specific set or formation for particular down and distance.. and who he wants...and the Cordinators do best to facilitate it...based on what they provided for players...and in a lot of critical plays...situation it's the HC making the decisions...hence head coach....no offence here but I think you are a little mislead or unsure of how things actually take place.

He definitely needs to start coaching and getting involved and discard the self governing...and in some regards his involvement needs to be changed...

To state the obvious: all the coaching in the world cannot compensate if the player just not good enough and keeps getting sent out.

[wbbfan]

11 hours ago, Tracker said:

To state the obvious: all the coaching in the world cannot compensate if the player just not good enough and keeps getting sent out.

The gap between top players and average isn't what you'd think. The coaching gap is much wider. For instance, the talent gap we had in our favor in the last two GCs, plus the 01 gc was pretty good. But the coaching gap really slapped us around.

You can have a bit of a talent gap at some spots, or a coaching gap. You certainly can not afford to have both in pro sports. 

[Booch]

21 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

The gap between top players and average isn't what you'd think. The coaching gap is much wider. For instance, the talent gap we had in our favor in the last two GCs, plus the 01 gc was pretty good. But the coaching gap really slapped us around.

You can have a bit of a talent gap at some spots, or a coaching gap. You certainly can not afford to have both in pro sports. 

coaching has killed us in all 3 losses....and part of that is the player gap where said coaching continues to roll out the inferior player...or this need to start 9...10 Canadians when not needed...who cares if they gunning for that extra pick in Canadian draft....we have enough later round...even earlier round slugs who dont really help us...and that extra couple Canadians starting are not elite guys clearly better than any import option...just a HC personal choice....

[ShyGuy]

The Bombers Claimed the 2 worst plays of Week 7 per 3DownNation

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Worst play of the week: DB Marquise Bridges, Winnipeg Blue Bombers

The Stampeders sent rookie deep threat Damien Alford streaking down the field on a go route and it was up to Bridges to cover him. For reasons seemingly clear only to himself, Bridges stopped running in coverage, leaving the first overall pick in this year’s draft alone in the end zone for the easy touchdown. You don’t need to be an expert on defensive back play to know Bridges made a big mistake here.

Honourable mention: QB Chris Streveler, Winnipeg Blue Bombers

Not clear which play they picked for Streveler, the momentum crushing pick in the end zone, or the back-breaking pick-6.

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

The Bombers Claimed the 2 worst plays of Week 7 per 3DownNation

Not clear which play they picked for Streveler, the momentum crushing pick in the end zone, or the back-breaking pick-6.

I'm going to say the momentum one....the pick-6 is on Hogan imo.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm going to say the momentum one....the pick-6 is on Hogan imo.

Sure cgy as good teams do watched a lot of film...on down and distance...feild position...and were sitting all over that just waiting...I don't blame strev either and really there is nothing different he could have really done...did it exactly as.drawn up

Just a dumb call and we had our lunch eaten before we even snapped the ball

Good coaching got us there....and the good wasn't ourS

[Bigblue204]

38 minutes ago, Booch said:

Sure cgy as good teams do watched a lot of film...on down and distance...feild position...and were sitting all over that just waiting...I don't blame strev either and really there is nothing different he could have really done...did it exactly as.drawn up

Just a dumb call and we had our lunch eaten before we even snapped the ball

Good coaching got us there....and the good wasn't ourS

Didn't help he called that play every series (that strev was in) before that too. I was assuming they'd fake the screen and get someone to go deep on it....but nope....another coaching fail that game.

Edited 2 hours ago by Bigblue204

[17to85]

47 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm going to say the momentum one....the pick-6 is on Hogan imo.

But reality is they're probably talking about the pick 6 because it just looks so much worse.

[bryan35]

51 minutes ago, Booch said:

Sure cgy as good teams do watched a lot of film...on down and distance...feild position...and were sitting all over that just waiting...I don't blame strev either and really there is nothing different he could have really done...did it exactly as.drawn up

Just a dumb call and we had our lunch eaten before we even snapped the ball

Good coaching got us there....and the good wasn't ourS

Maybe don't throw it.......

Edited 2 hours ago by bryan35

[Bigblue204]

9 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Maybe don't throw it.......

Easier said than done. It's a quick reaction play from QB. Take the snap and go...there really isn't time to "read" the defence. Who ever was supposed to be blocking webb completely whiffed (partly because he made a good play) and that's the result you get. 

[voodoochylde]

17 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Maybe don't throw it.......

I said this earlier in this thread (or another one):  it wasn't a bad decision to throw that ball but he needed to "miss" outside and not inside (even still, Strev did a helluva job getting it out there while on the run).

It was first and goal at the 7.  In my mind, this was three down territory ... run the damn ball.  Hogan wears the horns on this one as much as anyone.  

[Goalie]

I dunno. Streveler looked good week 1 but every other appearance he’s looked like garbage. I’m not sure what’s up there but that throw and decision is on him. Dude put up 2 fgs in 2 plus quarters. I dunno. Can’t really throw it appears atleast when coming in for injury reasons or crappy Zach play. Seems like he needs the 1 reps to be a good QB. Otherwise he’s not good at all. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Goalie

[sweep the leg]

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

 

It was first and goal at the 7.  In my mind, this was three down territory ... run the damn ball.  Hogan wears the horns on this one as much as anyone.  

Not a great throw by the qb and the receiver didn’t help him out. That was on the players.

[voodoochylde]

8 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Not a great throw by the qb and the receiver didn’t help him out. That was on the players.

The throw was fine but Strev left it a little inside (understandable throwing on the run across his body) which allowed the DB to make a great play on the ball.  Had Strev missed outside or the receiver stepped down / in that INT doesn't happen.  Greene just made a GREAT play on the ball.

Strev gets the blame because he threw the ball but situationally (backup QB, down and distance, location on the field etc) Hogan *has* to share in some of this as does the receiver who has be aware of what's going on around him.

It could all have been avoided by just running the ball .. giving it to Brady .. letting Strev roll with it .. hammering a Calgary defense who ranks in the bottom third of run defense.

[Brandon]

38 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I dunno. Streveler looked good week 1 but every other appearance he’s looked like garbage. I’m not sure what’s up there but that throw and decision is on him. Dude put up 2 fgs in 2 plus quarters. I dunno. Can’t really throw it appears atleast when coming in for injury reasons or crappy Zach play. Seems like he needs the 1 reps to be a good QB. Otherwise he’s not good at all. 

I just wished they would give Wilson some game time when the game was already out of hand.   He's the only healthy QB we have who does have some zip on his throws.   It would be nice to see what we have in him.  

[JuranBoldenRules]

7 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

The throw was fine but Strev left it a little inside (understandable throwing on the run across his body) which allowed the DB to make a great play on the ball.  Had Strev missed outside or the receiver stepped down / in that INT doesn't happen.  Greene just made a GREAT play on the ball.

Strev gets the blame because he threw the ball but situationally (backup QB, down and distance, location on the field etc) Hogan *has* to share in some of this as does the receiver who has be aware of what's going on around him.

It could all have been avoided by just running the ball .. giving it to Brady .. letting Strev roll with it .. hammering a Calgary defense who ranks in the bottom third of run defense.

Yeah run the ball...but ultimately have to execute.

Streveler scrambles and loses like 15 yards to a DL in about 2.5 seconds.

Guy has to understand his own limitations sooner than later.

He throws the ball to the pilon from 7 ish yards into the field while his hips are parallel to the sideline.  Complete arm toss so basically no velocity on that ball.

Every single decision he makes from the time he takes the snap is bad and leads to the result.

If he's going to be a decent QB this season he's going to have to get comfy in the pocket and move the ball out quickly.  Because I'm not sure he could beat Wade Miller in a 3 cone drill right now.

Edited 24 minutes ago by JuranBoldenRules

[voodoochylde]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

I just wished they would give Wilson some game time when the game was already out of hand.   He's the only healthy QB we have who does have some zip on his throws.   It would be nice to see what we have in him.  

We've seen what we have in him .. it's not much.  

Artopoeus showed more in preseason than Wilson did all of last year (and in camp / preseason this year).

[HardCoreBlue]

9 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

We've seen what we have in him .. it's not much.  

Artopoeus showed more in preseason than Wilson did all of last year (and in camp / preseason this year).

Back in the day third string QB usually meant in the wings to be moved up the ranks not short yardage specialist and no more. If this is true Terry Wilson needs to be released. We have Strev for short yardage so there’s absolutely no reason to keep him around if there is no confidence in him to play in this league.

[voodoochylde]

10 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Yeah run the ball...but ultimately have to execute.

Streveler scrambles and loses like 15 yards to a DL in about 2.5 seconds.

Guy has to understand his own limitations sooner than later.

He throws the ball to the pilon from 7 ish yards into the field while his hips are parallel to the sideline.  Complete arm toss so basically no velocity on that ball.

Every single decision he makes from the time he takes the snap is bad and leads to the result.

If he's going to be a decent QB this season he's going to have to get comfy in the pocket and move the ball out quickly.  Because I'm not sure he could beat Wade Miller in a 3 cone drill right now.

I'll agree that his decision making process has to speed up.  From just watching that play unfold I have to believe Demski was the primary receiver (who was bracketed) or Sterns running to the corner.  Strev needs to come off that read quicker.  If he fires the ball to the pilon while he's in the pocket, it's likely a reception and a TD.

He was run down (and ear holed) by a linebacker (not a DL).  

Strev didn't 'lose like 15 yards' either - really irrelevant.

Receiver was more concerned with making a TD grab vs securing a reception.  Come back and down.  Be aware.  The INT doesn't happen.  It still doesn't discount the fact the DB simply made a really good play.