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1 minute ago, USABomberfan said:

No I'd go further and give Randle an AR spot with the understanding he may need to be switched out once in a while when the ratio must be maintained.  We definitely have a few WRs currently there like Lankford who aren't cutting it.

Cant give a guy who doesnt return kicks our kick off return mans job. 

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surprised that Bighill made it, heard he was on the bubble.  Oh sorry just channeling my inner "The Source" there for a second.

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You have to wonder what more a guy like Montgomery has to do to make the team. 

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oh man why do people ever sign a deal with Jones when he treats guys the same year after year. 

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19 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

last year we'd a been chomping at the bit to sign him. Good player he is gonna catch on some place. Maybe the riders. 

Id a kept randle and white around on the pr. With the injury history of demski, dressler, and adams + the drops/bad year last year by bowman Id rather be stocked up at WR then any other position right now.

I also would have kept monty. 

This is true, and bowman has always been a guy who misses a lot of passes. BUT he is the perfect red zone fit for us. And we dont need him to go for 2k yards. 

Parker may leave or he may not. He had chances as a FA to go to other teams over the years but chose not to. He has a well paying job in Calgary from what I've read & he may not want to leave it. His entire family is in Calgary as well so unless the Riders or another team overpays I think he retires. 

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Parker may leave or he may not. He had chances as a FA to go to other teams over the years but chose not to. He has a well paying job in Calgary from what I've read & he may not want to leave it. His entire family is in Calgary as well so unless the Riders or another team overpays I think he retires. 

Thats a possibility, but a good 28 year old NI wr retiring rather then playing in another city is beyond me. 

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Get a DB to do it like Fogg was doing when he was here then.

fogg returns punts. Cant have a starting DB do double duties full time, thats how you burn a guy out. What db do we have thats also a return man aside from fogg on the active roster?

having two Dbs with soo few spots for depth dbs and the amount of work those depth dbs get called on to do is also a bad idea. Its too much work load. 

 If any thing Id look at petermann demski and simonise doing it but we didnt give them any reps returning kicks/punts. 

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7 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Thats a possibility, but a good 28 year old NI wr retiring rather then playing in another city is beyond me. 

There is life after football. Joe Pop retired at 29. Dave Sapunjis of the Stamps the same age, I believe. Both had ongoing business interests. I'm sure a lot of other guys have retired early & walked away from the game while they could.

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27 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Parker may leave or he may not. He had chances as a FA to go to other teams over the years but chose not to. He has a well paying job in Calgary from what I've read & he may not want to leave it. His entire family is in Calgary as well so unless the Riders or another team overpays I think he retires. 

Do you have  info about why was he cut? 

 

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I don't think all of the roster moves have been posted so here they are:

WINNIPEG:

Released: DL Daniel Awoleke, QB Zack Mahoney, DB Chris Humes, WR Brendon Thera-Plamondon, DB Kahlen Branning, DB Abu Conteh, WR AJ Coney, OL Dillon DeBoer, LB Jevaris Jones, OL Ben Koczwara, OL Matthew Ouellet De Carlo, WR Tyrone Pierre, WR Rueben Randle, LB Jacob Firlotte, WR Myles White, DT Faith Ekakitie, OL Na’Ty Rodgers, DL Chris Casher, DB Jordan Thomas, DL Sam Montgomery, WR Donteea Dye, DB Mohammed Seisay, RB Jahad Thomas, DB Brian Walker, LB Quentin Gause, WR Brendan Naujoks, DL Hayden Nellis, DB Andrew Ricard, K Felix Menard-Briere.

Practice Roster: LB Kyrie Wilson, WR Corey Washington, DB Marcus Sayles, DB Robert Priester, DB Tyneil Cooper, WR Tylor Henry, OL Cody Speller, FB John Rush

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

TORONTO:

Released: LB Jeff Luc, DE Sadat Sulleyman, DB Maurice Carnell, RB Stanley ‘Boom’ Williams JR., WR Christopher Harper, DT Matt Carson, LS Kain Anzovino, DB Ryan Reid, WR Jonathan Epps, DB Vondell Bell, OL, Joseph ‘DJ’ Park, OL Isame Faciane, OL Chase Farris, QB Noah Picton, DL Evan Gill, DE Xzavier Dickson, WR Bralon Addison, LB Mathieu Loiselle, WR Cole Watson

Practice Roster: RB Brandon Burks, WR Rodney Smith, DB Trumaine Washington, LB Sean Harrington, OL Isiah Cage, DB Jonathan Downling, WR Mario Alford, DL John Biewald, DE Evan Foster, DB Anthony Covington

Players added to the six-game injured list: N/A

SASKATCHEWAN:

Released: OL Emmanuel Adusei, WR Rob Bagg, OL Travis Bond, RB David Cobb, DL Rakim Cox, DB Jeremy Cutrer, QB BJ Daniels, DB Tristan Doughlin, OL Tomothy Gardner, WR Bakari Grant, LB Dillon Grondin, DB Reggie Hall, DB Orlandus Harris, OL Dalton Houghton, LB Kalen Jackson, DB Rudy Johnson, RB Storm Johnson, DL Arthur Miley, WR Chad Owens, WR Mitch Picton, LB Tyrell Robinson, RB Bryce Vieira, OL Gary Wilkins.

Practice Roster: FB Albert Awachie, DL Mathieu Breton, LB Alex Chevrier, OL Takob Cofield, LB Alex Gagne, DB Aaron Ivory, DL Tresor Mafuta, DL Curt Maggitt, WR Kyran Moore, RB Zac Stacy

Players added to the six-game injured list:LB Brandyn Bartlett, K Tyler Crapigna, LB kevin Francis, WR Jake Harty, OL Josiah St. John

BC:

Released: DL Cedric Reed, DL Courtel Jenkins, DB Cauchy Muamba, DB Kendall James, DB Tevin McDonald, WR Tyler Davis, WR Jasper ‘Junior’ Collins, WR Kenny Lawler, WR Archelaus Jack, OL Cassidy Curtis, RB Shaun Wick, K/P Jose Maltos

Practice Roster: TBA 

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

OTTAWA:

Released: WR Gary Brown, DB Victor Gamboa, DL Bruce Gaston, OL David Goldsby, RB Ed Ilnicki, RB Cedric O’Neal, LB DJ Sanders, DB Brandon Stewart, WR Stephen Ugbah, WR Chance Allen, LB Ezekiel Bigger, DB Dejaun Butler, K Sergio Castillo, LB Tanner Doll, WR Kieren Duncan, OL Kendall Pace, OL Jordan Rose, DL Teidrik Smith, RB Wayne Moore.

Practice Roster: QB Will Arndt, DB Sherrod Baltimore, OL Armondo Bonheur, DL Harold Brantley, WR Seth Coate, LB Michael Cote, OL Jacob Cjaza, DB Reggie Daniels, DB Aarion Penton, WR RJ Shelton

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

EDMONTON:

Released: DL Zachary Barnes, OL Chauncey Briggs, LB Terrance Bullitt, DL Jason Carr, DB Ahmad Dixon, DB Alex Gray, WR Shaquille Hill, DB Jordan Holland, LB Jeremiah Kose, OL Curtis Krahn, FB Pascal Lochard, WR Keevan Lucas, WR Je’Mari Luper, WR Scott MacDonell, DL Mark Mackie, DB Maurice McKnight, LS Brad Northnagel, OL Kelvin Palmer, DB Brandyn Thompson, RB Blair Zerr

Practice Roster: TBA

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

MONTREAL:

Released: OL Mitchell Bell, DL Ryan Brown, WR Marcel Caver, LB Jordan Harris, WR Tim Lukas, DL Lawrence Okaoye, WR Cameron Posey, FB Emmett Tims, K Quinn van Gylswyk

Note: Despite initial reports, Xavier Fulton was not released by Montreal

Practice Roster: TBA

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

CALGARY:

Released: DB Trey Caldwell, DL Randy Colling, DL Alex Gagnon, OL Dillon Guy, WR Blake Jackson, WR Anthony Kelly, DL Danny Mason, OL Josue Matias, DL Kelcy Quarles, LB Keith Reineke, DB Mark Robers, RB Rushel Shell III, LB Tyler Stoddard, WR Kylen Towner, WR Nick Truesdell, WR Kenneth Walker, DB Julian Wilson, WR Anthony Parker

Practice Roster: WR, Marketih Ambles, QB Larry Brihm Jr., DB Devin Butler, DB Gump Hayes, OL Nila Kasitati, WR Mike Klukas, DB Royce Metchie, RB Romar Morris, LB Dwayne Norman, OL Justin Renfrow

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

HAMILTON:

Released: WR Jarvis Baxter, OL Casey Blaser, DE Roman Braglio, DT Malik Forrester, WR Chris Hubert, DT Jack McEwen, QB Bryant Moniz, DB DaQuan Pace, WR Willie Quinn III, DB Joel Ross, WR Nathan Ross, WR Shakeir Ryan, WR Jacob Scarfone, OL Ryan Schmidt, DB Dwayne Thomas, LB Akeem Whonder

Practice Roster: WR Damarr Aultman, WR Justin Buren, LB Jerome Couplin III, OL Avery Jordan, WR Rashad Lawrence, WR Mitch O’Connor, DL Lynden Trail, DB Lucas Wacha, DL Brett Wade, DB Jaleel Wadood

Players returning to U SPORTS: WR Marcus Davis (UBC), LB Mike Moore (Queen’s), OL Joel Van Pelt (Calgary)

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/06/09/making-moves-teams-make-final-cuts-as-camps-break/

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2 hours ago, AKAChip said:

I don’t necessarily agree on point one. Bond is literally the only guy his own scouting staff has brought in. Hardrick and Bryant shouldn’t fall under that category. 

Point two is fair but that’s certainly not something I’m arguing against. 

Point three is fair as well though I would argue that paying for free agents is the easiest part of a GM’s job. The scouting work is already done on these guys and teams don’t generally win based on the strengths of their free agent signings solely because it’s generally not a cost effective way of building. 

That all changed when the players association went to 1 and 2 year contracts ... no longer are the FA's generally over the hill aging veterans, has-beens who are just after the best possible paycheck ... now there is freedom of movement and players go where they want ... there is also deliberate decisions made like with Travis Bond where a player can demand a huge paycheck based on an accomplishment (here a recognised allstar performance two years ago) and that player would just upset the team's salary structure. Such players better live up to expectations immediately or they end up cut quickly within a couple games or at the season's end: just ask Enoch Muamba. Because of this factor good players are taking more modest salaries and enjoying the CFL with a club they want to be on. That's why teams like Winnipeg and Calgary's management are becoming so attractive.

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2 hours ago, AKAChip said:

I don’t necessarily agree on point one. Bond is literally the only guy his own scouting staff has brought in. Hardrick and Bryant shouldn’t fall under that category. 

Point two is fair but that’s certainly not something I’m arguing against. 

Point three is fair as well though I would argue that paying for free agents is the easiest part of a GM’s job. The scouting work is already done on these guys and teams don’t generally win based on the strengths of their free agent signings solely because it’s generally not a cost effective way of building. 

Seeing as you want to disparage Walters so much...guess you would like to have Joe Mack back.

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1 hour ago, Jacquie said:

I don't think all of the roster moves have been posted so here they are:

WINNIPEG:

Released: DL Daniel Awoleke, QB Zack Mahoney, DB Chris Humes, WR Brendon Thera-Plamondon, DB Kahlen Branning, DB Abu Conteh, WR AJ Coney, OL Dillon DeBoer, LB Jevaris Jones, OL Ben Koczwara, OL Matthew Ouellet De Carlo, WR Tyrone Pierre, WR Rueben Randle, LB Jacob Firlotte, WR Myles White, DT Faith Ekakitie, OL Na’Ty Rodgers, DL Chris Casher, DB Jordan Thomas, DL Sam Montgomery, WR Donteea Dye, DB Mohammed Seisay, RB Jahad Thomas, DB Brian Walker, LB Quentin Gause, WR Brendan Naujoks, DL Hayden Nellis, DB Andrew Ricard, K Felix Menard-Briere.

Practice Roster: LB Kyrie Wilson, WR Corey Washington, DB Marcus Sayles, DB Robert Priester, DB Tyneil Cooper, WR Tylor Henry, OL Cody Speller, FB John Rush

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

TORONTO:

Released: LB Jeff Luc, DE Sadat Sulleyman, DB Maurice Carnell, RB Stanley ‘Boom’ Williams JR., WR Christopher Harper, DT Matt Carson, LS Kain Anzovino, DB Ryan Reid, WR Jonathan Epps, DB Vondell Bell, OL, Joseph ‘DJ’ Park, OL Isame Faciane, OL Chase Farris, QB Noah Picton, DL Evan Gill, DE Xzavier Dickson, WR Bralon Addison, LB Mathieu Loiselle, WR Cole Watson

Practice Roster: RB Brandon Burks, WR Rodney Smith, DB Trumaine Washington, LB Sean Harrington, OL Isiah Cage, DB Jonathan Downling, WR Mario Alford, DL John Biewald, DE Evan Foster, DB Anthony Covington

Players added to the six-game injured list: N/A

SASKATCHEWAN:

Released: OL Emmanuel Adusei, WR Rob Bagg, OL Travis Bond, RB David Cobb, DL Rakim Cox, DB Jeremy Cutrer, QB BJ Daniels, DB Tristan Doughlin, OL Tomothy Gardner, WR Bakari Grant, LB Dillon Grondin, DB Reggie Hall, DB Orlandus Harris, OL Dalton Houghton, LB Kalen Jackson, DB Rudy Johnson, RB Storm Johnson, DL Arthur Miley, WR Chad Owens, WR Mitch Picton, LB Tyrell Robinson, RB Bryce Vieira, OL Gary Wilkins.

Practice Roster: FB Albert Awachie, DL Mathieu Breton, LB Alex Chevrier, OL Takob Cofield, LB Alex Gagne, DB Aaron Ivory, DL Tresor Mafuta, DL Curt Maggitt, WR Kyran Moore, RB Zac Stacy

Players added to the six-game injured list:LB Brandyn Bartlett, K Tyler Crapigna, LB kevin Francis, WR Jake Harty, OL Josiah St. John

BC:

Released: DL Cedric Reed, DL Courtel Jenkins, DB Cauchy Muamba, DB Kendall James, DB Tevin McDonald, WR Tyler Davis, WR Jasper ‘Junior’ Collins, WR Kenny Lawler, WR Archelaus Jack, OL Cassidy Curtis, RB Shaun Wick, K/P Jose Maltos

Practice Roster: TBA 

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

OTTAWA:

Released: WR Gary Brown, DB Victor Gamboa, DL Bruce Gaston, OL David Goldsby, RB Ed Ilnicki, RB Cedric O’Neal, LB DJ Sanders, DB Brandon Stewart, WR Stephen Ugbah, WR Chance Allen, LB Ezekiel Bigger, DB Dejaun Butler, K Sergio Castillo, LB Tanner Doll, WR Kieren Duncan, OL Kendall Pace, OL Jordan Rose, DL Teidrik Smith, RB Wayne Moore.

Practice Roster: QB Will Arndt, DB Sherrod Baltimore, OL Armondo Bonheur, DL Harold Brantley, WR Seth Coate, LB Michael Cote, OL Jacob Cjaza, DB Reggie Daniels, DB Aarion Penton, WR RJ Shelton

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

EDMONTON:

Released: DL Zachary Barnes, OL Chauncey Briggs, LB Terrance Bullitt, DL Jason Carr, DB Ahmad Dixon, DB Alex Gray, WR Shaquille Hill, DB Jordan Holland, LB Jeremiah Kose, OL Curtis Krahn, FB Pascal Lochard, WR Keevan Lucas, WR Je’Mari Luper, WR Scott MacDonell, DL Mark Mackie, DB Maurice McKnight, LS Brad Northnagel, OL Kelvin Palmer, DB Brandyn Thompson, RB Blair Zerr

Practice Roster: TBA

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

MONTREAL:

Released: OL Mitchell Bell, DL Ryan Brown, WR Marcel Caver, LB Jordan Harris, WR Tim Lukas, DL Lawrence Okaoye, WR Cameron Posey, FB Emmett Tims, K Quinn van Gylswyk

Note: Despite initial reports, Xavier Fulton was not released by Montreal

Practice Roster: TBA

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

CALGARY:

Released: DB Trey Caldwell, DL Randy Colling, DL Alex Gagnon, OL Dillon Guy, WR Blake Jackson, WR Anthony Kelly, DL Danny Mason, OL Josue Matias, DL Kelcy Quarles, LB Keith Reineke, DB Mark Robers, RB Rushel Shell III, LB Tyler Stoddard, WR Kylen Towner, WR Nick Truesdell, WR Kenneth Walker, DB Julian Wilson, WR Anthony Parker

Practice Roster: WR, Marketih Ambles, QB Larry Brihm Jr., DB Devin Butler, DB Gump Hayes, OL Nila Kasitati, WR Mike Klukas, DB Royce Metchie, RB Romar Morris, LB Dwayne Norman, OL Justin Renfrow

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

HAMILTON:

Released: WR Jarvis Baxter, OL Casey Blaser, DE Roman Braglio, DT Malik Forrester, WR Chris Hubert, DT Jack McEwen, QB Bryant Moniz, DB DaQuan Pace, WR Willie Quinn III, DB Joel Ross, WR Nathan Ross, WR Shakeir Ryan, WR Jacob Scarfone, OL Ryan Schmidt, DB Dwayne Thomas, LB Akeem Whonder

Practice Roster: WR Damarr Aultman, WR Justin Buren, LB Jerome Couplin III, OL Avery Jordan, WR Rashad Lawrence, WR Mitch O’Connor, DL Lynden Trail, DB Lucas Wacha, DL Brett Wade, DB Jaleel Wadood

Players returning to U SPORTS: WR Marcus Davis (UBC), LB Mike Moore (Queen’s), OL Joel Van Pelt (Calgary)

Players added to the six-game injured list: TBA

Thanks ! What is your source for this Jacquie?

No report of Swayzee Waters' release from Toronto ...

I guess June Jones wants to keep Vernon Adams until some cellar dweller wants to make a better deal ... some educating to do there, I think.

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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

having two Dbs with soo few spots for depth dbs and the amount of work those depth dbs get called on to do is also a bad idea. Its too much work load. 

Have you noticed how many DBs we have on the PR ... most of them will end up playing if we keep paying above the league minimum

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Have you noticed how many DBs we have on the PR ... most of them will end up playing if we keep paying above the league minimum

the PR doesnt help you in game. You may have noticed we cut branning and conteh. We will likely have 4 starters + the sam + loffler, +1 DI on the game roster. + morgan/jones. 

Meaning we will be spread too thin to have both return duties done by DBs. The exposure to injury, and all that extra running through out the game would leave one starter and our dime on weary legs late in games. And not too likely to play a full season. 

How many of those DBs are returners? I dont recall any returning kicks or punts in the pre season. Sayles doesnt come with a return pedigree. Priester also doesnt, but also doesnt really have the return man athletic tool set. Cooper has the tool set but not the experience. Both are more kick cover guys then return guys. 

Kenbrell thompkins returned 4 kick offs in the nfl for 15 yard average. Basically as an up man on a short kick. 

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the PR doesnt help you in game. You may have noticed we cut branning and conteh. We will likely have 4 starters + the sam + loffler, +1 DI on the game roster. + morgan/jones. 

Meaning we will be spread too thin to have both return duties done by DBs. The exposure to injury, and all that extra running through out the game would leave one starter and our dime on weary legs late in games. And not too likely to play a full season. 

How many of those DBs are returners? I dont recall any returning kicks or punts in the pre season. Sayles doesnt come with a return pedigree. Priester also doesnt, but also doesnt really have the return man athletic tool set. Cooper has the tool set but not the experience. Both are more kick cover guys then return guys. 

Kenbrell thompkins returned 4 kick offs in the nfl for 15 yard average. Basically as an up man on a short kick. 

We're going to have DB's on special teams whether Fogg is returning or they are covering kicks.  

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"the PR doesnt help you in game. You may have noticed we cut branning and conteh. We will likely have 4 starters + the sam + loffler, +1 DI on the game roster. + morgan/jones."

I am not sure about Morgan but Jones is pretty good ... could be a starter on another team either at safety or CB ... and that is what the cfl is all about Cdns backing up internationals

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