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If this team is all about making knee-jerk decisions to placate the fanbase, then why does it still wear navy blue instead of royal blue?

He flew too close to the sun.

Only Bryant Turner can produce water OVER a bridge.

Though hearing quotes like this certainly help...."If wherever you put me equates to wins, I will do it." Hi Jonathan Hefney 
 
Ed Tait ‏@WFPEdTait1m #Bombers Banks: If wherever u put me equates to wins, I will do it. Forget the stats. I have enough of those. I’m all about the winning. #bn

I knew they had to announce it because there is no way Boltus could sneak out of town.

The last time we picked up a proven leader from BC (Barrin Simpson) it played a large part in making our defence, which had been the worst in the league the previous year, respectable. Let's hope history repeats itself.

Just for the heck of it, lets look at reality. If the Stamps have any real interest in Burris, we're in tough- it would cost Burris somewhere around $15,000 to live here VS living in his own home in Calgary.
For those who are bad-mouthing Burris consider this: in 2012, Burris threw for 40 touchdowns
Between 2012 and 2013, the entire bomber quarterbacking corps threw for.....29 touchdowns.

As Bomber fans to the end, we should stand back to back so we can save money on bullets.

Don't be silly, our safety spot in Etch's defense was firmed up the moment we extended Bryant Turner.

Rush end? He's a natural safety in Etch's twisted defense.

That will be an adventure on gameday, and they only have 2 other defensive coaches.  Defense is coached when offence is on the field, when the head coach needs to be locked in to make decisions on short-yardage and special teams.  Hard to see how that's going to work without some part of the game being neglected.

Actually, this more reminds me of 1999 and Kerwin Bell: we've just gone through two very dark years with awful coaching and no quarterbacking, and now we're getting a 5000-yard a year vet who might not be the first choice of some but who is light-years better than what we had.  Hopefully the Khari Jones part of 1999/2000 will repeat itself as well.
 
I feel this franchise is lurching towards permanent joke/doormat status, like the Rough Riders of the 1980s - 1990s.  Hank might have clear deficiencies but I think he could stop the bleeding and help us turn the corner. (to mix metaphors horribly).

At least this year the Plan B option is not Buck. Very lucky to have 3 guys available this year.

Right.  Because the franchise gained instant respectability the moment the old guard was ushered out, and the new guard ushered in.
 
It doesn't work that way.  We have to live with the fallout of the sins of Kelly, Mack, and Burke for as long as it takes us to show ourselves to the rest of the league as a destination; not a burial ground.

KJ's peak as good as Calvillo.ha.  Now I've heard everything.
 
Calvillo had several seasons that were better than KJ's best so that argument doesn't hold water.
 
Flip Calvillo's 3-5 Grey Cup record around to 5-3 with improved performances in the dreadful 2006 (was at this game and Calvillo was mediocre) and 2008 games and he has a shot at the top-3 all-time
 
1.  Flutie - 6 MVPs in 8 seasons and 3 Grey Cup victories and 5 trips to the big game.
2.  Parker - 3 MVPs and 3 Grey Cups. Excellent scrambler on top of being a good passing QB for the time.
3.  Moon - I was actually thinking of dropping him down the list, even with the 5 Grey Cups and 1 MVP.  Seem to remember reading stories or some box scores that suggest he wasn't all that great in the playoffs.  Think there was one game where he was relieved by Wilkinson in a playoff game (GreyCup?) because he was playing for poorly.  Wilkinson helped the team win that Grey Cup, not sure what year though.  Someone can correct me if that's wrong.  Small sample size and he was only the starter for half his time in the CFL.  Still, he was so dominant in the regular season that it's had to rank him any lower
4.  Jackson - tempted to put him at 3.  3-time MVP and 3-time Grey Cup winner. 3-1 in the Grey Cup.  9-5 as a starter in the playoffs.  Only a full-time starter for 7 seasons once Lancaster left for Sask yet he accomplished all this.  91 QB rating which is absolutely incredible for the 60s.  Excellent runner with over 5,000 yeards rushing. 
 
I'd rank Calvillo just behind these guys at 5.
 
Dunigan  - doesn't belong in the conversation.  Never won an MVP award.  3-time CFL all-star which is good though.  Put up some good regular season numbers but he was pretty average in the playoffs and below average in Grey Cup games (1-2 record).  Played like crap in 87 Grey Cup before injury, played decent in 88' Grey Cup and played OK in 91 Grey Cup in brutal conditions and played like crap for the Bombers in 92 Grey Cup.  Injuries played a role in his career, but the playoff resume and lack of MVPs means he should not be a top-5 QB of all-time.
 
Garcia while putting up some very respectable numbers certainly doesn't stand out as much as Moon did in a similar shortened CFL career.  1 Grey Cup. 1 CFL all-star. The fact that the Stamps had the same record in 1999 upon Garcia's departure and still made it to the Grey Cup suggests that the team surrounding him was quite good and may have very well enhanced his stats.  Bottom line - not quite a large enough resume and didn't stand out enough during his brief tenure.  IF we were to include him as a top-5, we would have to consider Dave Dickenson as well. 
 
Lancaster - accumulater with a decent but hardly outstanding QB rating.  13-13 playoff record which is actually quite good but the 1-4 Grey Cup record would have to be held against him especially when you consider some of those performances.  2 MVPs and a runner-up.  CFL all-star 4 or 5 times.  Great career, but the lack of MVPs and truly oustanding seasons precludes him from the top-5 conversation.
 
Clements - 1 MVP, 2 CFl all-stars, top- 10 in several QB categories, several divisional all-stars.  He was very good, but when you compare his stats to some of his peers at the time, he rarely comes out on top.  Also, while he was 2-0 in Grey Cups (assistance on the first one with Holloway) his playoff record is pretty unimpressive (sub .500 with several disappointing performances).  I remember as a kid, watching his last game at Winnipeg Stadium in the 1987 Eastern Finals.  Scored a grand total of 2 points on offense.  Brutal way to end your CFL career.  Same with Reeves as well.  Good argument for top-10, but regular season stats combined with middling playoff performances aren't worthy of top-5.
 
Allen - another accumulator, more so than Lancaster though.  Many OK to good seasons.  Few great seasons.  Only 1 MVP and 1 CFL all-star in a career that spans over 2 decades.  Impressive longevity and arguably the best scrambler and running QB in CFL history - over 10,000 yards rushing.  That and his 3-0 record and 3 Grey Cup MVPs puts him in the conversation for top-5 but ultimately the lack of regular season success pushes him down the list.  I mean really, other than one season, 2005, can anyone say he was the best player in the CFL?  Answer that question and you will know why he would not be considered top-5.
 
Ray could be in the running in the future.  Needs a few MVPs, a few more oustanding seasons and some more CFL all-star nods.

Sure we can. Lots of teams have more than one good player.

That's what we had last year... except that instead of age we're talking QB rating...

If they get sold do they have to give Ray back to the Esks?

Plz change thread title to: "Penton: Rumour Mongering To Make 17to85s Head Pop Off", for accuracy...

The problem I have when people say they trust what they saw is, generally speaking, people have a tendency to fixate on one play or one game and project it to be a season long problem. You see it countless times especially when people complain about players taking penalties.

I know not everyone will be a fan of this, but I am.
 
Good resigning.

Good gravy, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other about AC and his career, but to deny anybody or any team for that matter its due, because they have played against weaker teams, in weaker divisions, would put asterisks on all kinds of performances of individuals and teams.
No, you take the whole picture together, weak teams, strong teams. 
 
Good performances over a period of years and years should be one criteria in determining how well one has performed.
AC has done that and much more.
He deserves the credit he gets.

Oy guys... we're arguing over losing Rory Kohlert, when he was only selected in the expansion draft AS A FREE AGENT.  Sure he's reliable, but If he wants to be here, he'll be here. 
 
If not, I'm completely comfortable moving forward with Watson, Foster, Poblah, and Etienne (* provided he re-signs, which I am expecting), and/or potentially a 4th Canadian on the OL. It's not completely out of line for a WR's development to take longer than 3 years.  Poblah's got the raw talent... if he puts it together for us, he could be the surprise player of the CFL this year.  The same might be said for Foster even, given the opportunity to win a job (and actually have a chance of doing so in Wpg).

The expansion draft "killed" the Bombers?? Who exactly did we lose that will "kill" us? I'd say it had a minimal impact. Plus word is that Kolhert might re-sign with the Bombers.

What are you even talking about? From 2010 thru 2012 the guy won a Grey Cup, while putting up typical AC numbers: 5000 yds a season and a 3:1 TD/int ratio. He had a sweet thing going with Trestman and wasn't showing any signs of slowing down ... not until last year.
Ideally he would have quit after 2012 and spared himself that awful concussion but I can't blame a guy for hanging onto the only job he's ever held in his adult life.